Will this terrible tragedy in Cal turn Cal red?

[Chernosoth]

This will sink property values. The houses can be rebuilt exactly as they were but they will be just houses, not multi million dollar estates, if anyone wants to spend for that.

 

[HisArpy]

This will sink property values. The houses can be rebuilt exactly as they were but they will be just houses, not multi million dollar estates, if anyone wants to spend for that.

ONLY if they get permits. The California Coastal Commission is notorious for denying building permits for construction within their zone of influence. The cost of the permits alone are probably going to exceed $100K, and that's before the contractor moves one shovelful of dirt.

 

[Bn2f]

ONLY if they get permits. The California Coastal Commission is notorious for denying building permits for construction within their zone of influence. The cost of the permits alone are probably going to exceed $100K, and that's before the contractor moves one shovelful of dirt.

God has forsaken me.
Must. Pray. To. Beelzebub!
For the destruction of HisA property.

 

[Chernosoth]

ONLY if they get permits. The California Coastal Commission is notorious for denying building permits for construction within their zone of influence. The cost of the permits alone are probably going to exceed $100K, and that's before the contractor moves one shovelful of dirt.

Only if it is allowed to continue denying. Many politicians could see their careers ending in fire. But rebuilding in an uninsurable fire zone is now less lucrative.

 

[HisArpy]

Only if it is allowed to continue denying. Many politicians could see their careers ending in fire. But rebuilding in an uninsurable fire zone is now less lucrative.

They are entrenched in both political and cultural landscapes. It will take a nuclear holocaust, directly attributed to them beyond any defense or doubt, to get rid of them.

 

[Bn2f]

Only if it is allowed to continue denying. Many politicians could see their careers ending in fire. But rebuilding in an uninsurable fire zone is now less lucrative.

A better question to ask HisA is, if the fires have lowered property values in California then why is he, a trumper, still there?

 

[PaxNurgle]

ONLY if they get permits. The California Coastal Commission is notorious for denying building permits for construction within their zone of influence. The cost of the permits alone are probably going to exceed $100K, and that's before the contractor moves one shovelful of dirt.

I realize you won't be able to understand this, so don't worry about it; this is mainly for others' benefit:

Part of the whole reason the fires were as destructive as they were, was precisely due to the California Coastal Commission APPROVING so many building permits in a fire-prone area in the first place. Therefore, they would be absolutely right, going forward, to deny building permits in such areas after seeing the result of over-building in fire prone areas.

 

[UltraChad]

I realize you won't be able to understand this, so don't worry about it; this is mainly for others' benefit:

Part of the whole reason the fires were as destructive as they were, was precisely due to the California Coastal Commission APPROVING so many building permits in a fire-prone area in the first place. Therefore, they would be absolutely right, going forward, to deny building permits in such areas after seeing the result of over-building in fire prone areas.

It's all the housing in the way of the fire that is the problem.

LOL fantastic. I really hope D leadership runs with that. The GOP's 26 and 28' prospects are counting on it.

 

[HisArpy]

I realize you won't be able to understand this, so don't worry about it; this is mainly for others' benefit:

Part of the whole reason the fires were as destructive as they were, was precisely due to the California Coastal Commission APPROVING so many building permits in a fire-prone area in the first place. Therefore, they would be absolutely right, going forward, to deny building permits in such areas after seeing the result of over-building in fire prone areas.

Lol, sure bud. The fire isn't responsible, it's all the homes that are at fault.

Jeebus, you're a fucking fruit loop.

 

[UltraChad]

Lol, sure bud. The fire isn't responsible, it's all the homes that are at fault.

Jeebus, you're a fucking fruit loop.

This DARVO checks out as consistent with Democrats.

Daniel Penny.
Kyle Rittenhouse.
All those fuckin' bourgeoisie property owners in the Palisades.
The children and women trafficked by the Jihadis.....clearly Islamophobic display of white privilege for not wanting to be trafficked.

The list goes on and on....Democrats never saw a victim they didn't enjoy shitting on.

 

[ChinoMoreno]

CALIFORNIA FIRE FACT CHECK

Having lived in both northern California for the Camp Fire in Paradise and southern California for these L.A. fires, I'd like to clear up a few misconceptions and inaccuracies about my state.

1) Blaming Governor Newsom for anything related to firefighting techniques is ridiculous. Politicians rely on experts to determine how to best fight a fire. The Governor is also not responsible for infrastructure built over the last 100 years.

2) Firefighters are the most qualified when it comes to the use of equipment, when to evacuate, and how best to protect lives and structures. Ordinary citizens' opinions, especially those from outsiders unfamiliar with the area and the terrain, are not useful.

3) Often outsiders try to blame the fires on Californians having too many trees or not enough water or bad planning or horrible politicians. None of this is true. Changes in weather patterns have made conditions conducive to fire. California has been surprisingly responsive to these dramatic changes, both in planning and recovery.

4) Those who are cheering for the loss of "rich people's" homes are not only cruel, they're mistaken. Hollywood is filled with struggling actors, film crew people, and everyday restaurant and retail workers. Pasadena has many elderly residents whose homes were bought decades ago. The foothills are home to ordinary folks in the service industry and family businesses.

5) The myth circulating that the Governor wouldn't let northern California send water to southern California to help fight the fire is ludicrous. First of all, ill-informed northern Californians are always claiming southern California is stealing their water for their swimming pools. The outside water southern California gets is mostly from Colorado, and we pay for it. Colorado is probably delighted to have the extra revenue. Secondly, L.A. has enough of its own water in reservoirs to fight the fires. In a pinch, the ocean is RIGHT THERE, and water can be scooped and dumped by aircraft. Only in Pacific Palisades, which is a very small neighborhood, did the fire hydrants lose pressure. All other areas had adequate water pressure.

6) The trouble in Paradise was due to a) the high winds, b) the dryness of the brush and trees caused by drought, and c) the lack of roads to evacuate (firefighters had to give priority to getting people out rather than trying to go in to fight the flames). The trouble in L.A. is mostly due to the high winds and dry conditions. There are plenty of evacuation routes, so the relative casualty rate is going to be much lower than Paradise.

7) The stories about California insurance companies eliminating fire coverage just 10 days ago should have us all up in arms. Just like health care, perhaps we're waking up to the fact that insurance companies are profit-motivated. Their bottom line is to take in as much of your money as possible and pay out as little as they can get away with.

I remember how my little town of Paradise pulled together to help each other out. It's no different in L.A. People are people. Neighbors help neighbors. In fact, L.A.'s sense of cooperation is even more impressive, considering the diversity of people we have here.

If you're an outsider, please don't believe the blame-throwers. There are a lot of inspiring stories happening here of hotels and restaurants offering relief for those left homeless, of people rescuing animals, of international first responders working to save people and homes. Don't let myths and malcontents divide us!

(not mine)

 

[Chernosoth]

There are some short term solutions in making homes more fire resistant, but they also need to flex during earthquakes. Within those parameters, the results may be more rowhouses and apartment buildings. A more expensive roof covering three floors of apartments spreads the cost.

But that could be much worse long term as a delay of evacuating a terminal drought zone.

 

[Chernosoth]

Does anyone remember which Tom Robbins novel has this chapter? The local Native Americans see the 1906 San Francisco destruction and rebuilding, and are shocked by the stupidity there. Nature smacked them with a hard lesson, so they immediately doubled down on their mistakes. And they met some young guy who left that city. He might be Japanese, so that could be Even Cowgirls Get the Blues, but I don't want to read that whole book again to confirm this.

 

[HisArpy]

CALIFORNIA FIRE FACT CHECK

Having lived in both northern California for the Camp Fire in Paradise and southern California for these L.A. fires, I'd like to clear up a few misconceptions and inaccuracies about my state.

1) Blaming Governor Newsom for anything related to firefighting techniques is ridiculous. Politicians rely on experts to determine how to best fight a fire. The Governor is also not responsible for infrastructure built over the last 100 years.

2) Firefighters are the most qualified when it comes to the use of equipment, when to evacuate, and how best to protect lives and structures. Ordinary citizens' opinions, especially those from outsiders unfamiliar with the area and the terrain, are not useful.

3) Often outsiders try to blame the fires on Californians having too many trees or not enough water or bad planning or horrible politicians. None of this is true. Changes in weather patterns have made conditions conducive to fire. California has been surprisingly responsive to these dramatic changes, both in planning and recovery.

4) Those who are cheering for the loss of "rich people's" homes are not only cruel, they're mistaken. Hollywood is filled with struggling actors, film crew people, and everyday restaurant and retail workers. Pasadena has many elderly residents whose homes were bought decades ago. The foothills are home to ordinary folks in the service industry and family businesses.

5) The myth circulating that the Governor wouldn't let northern California send water to southern California to help fight the fire is ludicrous. First of all, ill-informed northern Californians are always claiming southern California is stealing their water for their swimming pools. The outside water southern California gets is mostly from Colorado, and we pay for it. Colorado is probably delighted to have the extra revenue. Secondly, L.A. has enough of its own water in reservoirs to fight the fires. In a pinch, the ocean is RIGHT THERE, and water can be scooped and dumped by aircraft. Only in Pacific Palisades, which is a very small neighborhood, did the fire hydrants lose pressure. All other areas had adequate water pressure.

6) The trouble in Paradise was due to a) the high winds, b) the dryness of the brush and trees caused by drought, and c) the lack of roads to evacuate (firefighters had to give priority to getting people out rather than trying to go in to fight the flames). The trouble in L.A. is mostly due to the high winds and dry conditions. There are plenty of evacuation routes, so the relative casualty rate is going to be much lower than Paradise.

7) The stories about California insurance companies eliminating fire coverage just 10 days ago should have us all up in arms. Just like health care, perhaps we're waking up to the fact that insurance companies are profit-motivated. Their bottom line is to take in as much of your money as possible and pay out as little as they can get away with.

I remember how my little town of Paradise pulled together to help each other out. It's no different in L.A. People are people. Neighbors help neighbors. In fact, L.A.'s sense of cooperation is even more impressive, considering the diversity of people we have here.

If you're an outsider, please don't believe the blame-throwers. There are a lot of inspiring stories happening here of hotels and restaurants offering relief for those left homeless, of people rescuing animals, of international first responders working to save people and homes. Don't let myths and malcontents divide us!

(not mine)

Full of half truths although overall the tone is correct.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Fact check: What really happened with the Pacific Palisades water hydrants?

“A firefight with multiple fire hydrants drawing water from the system for several hours is unsustainable,” Pestrella said in a news conference Wednesday. “This is a known fact.”

Indeed, fire hydrants have also run dry in the case of other wildfires that spread to urban areas, including the 2017 Tubbs Fire, 2024’s Mountain Fire and 2023’s Maui wildfires.

The tanks that provide the water pressure to push water to neighborhoods at higher elevations simply cannot be refilled fast enough to keep up with the demand caused by a widespread wildfire.

 

[HisArpy]

Fact check: What really happened with the Pacific Palisades water hydrants?



The tanks that provide the water pressure to push water to neighborhoods at higher elevations simply cannot be refilled fast enough to keep up with the demand caused by a widespread wildfire.

Especially if they're empty to begin with...

 

[Rotadom]

This is the kind of lies and utter nonsense that traitors like the OP are spreading. Dangerous misinformation.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Fact check: What really happened with the Pacific Palisades water hydrants?



The tanks that provide the water pressure to push water to neighborhoods at higher elevations simply cannot be refilled fast enough to keep up with the demand caused by a widespread wildfire.

Like I said from the beginning...Especially if they were empty to begin with. There is no way that any pumps ever could have kept up with the demand when starting from empty.

San Francisco has a system to use ocean water in the event of a major emergency. Why doesn't LA?

 

[ChloeTzang]

And then we have Newsom deflecting like crazy....

 

[Rotadom]

Full of half truths although overall the tone is correct.

Which parts do you believe are "half truths?"

 

[ChloeTzang]

Fact check: What really happened with the Pacific Palisades water hydrants?



The tanks that provide the water pressure to push water to neighborhoods at higher elevations simply cannot be refilled fast enough to keep up with the demand caused by a widespread wildfire.

In other words, piss poor planning......

 

[HisArpy]

This is the kind of lies and utter nonsense that traitors like the OP are spreading. Dangerous misinformation.

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Love it. Much needed firefighting equipment has to undergo a "safety check" before it can travel down the State to the location of the fire even though the State of Or claims that the trucks weren't required to undergo any emissions check before they could be driven to and used in LA.

Sounds kinda contradictory to me.

I wonder if the State of Oregon, or California, will give the public a list of the checks that were performed on the firetrucks.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Especially if they're empty to begin with...

The tanks weren’t empty to begin with. Read the linked article and think before typing.

In other words, piss poor planning......

No municipal water system is designed for fighting widespread wildfires. Read the linked article and think before typing.

HisArpy and ChloeTzang provided perfect examples of MAGAs desperately clinging to disinformation. Pretense is the only thing MAGAs have got.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Love it. Much needed firefighting equipment has to undergo a "safety check" before it can travel down the State to the location of the fire even though the State of Or claims that the trucks weren't required to undergo any emissions check before they could be driven to and used in LA.

Sounds kinda contradictory to me.

I wonder if the State of Oregon, or California, will give the public a list of the checks that were performed on the firetrucks.

1. Oregon firefighters refute the disinformation spread by MAGAs.
2. HisArpy doubles down by pretending he knows more than the Oregon firefighters.

Stable genius!

 

[Rotadom]

Here's Elmo getting shut down by a firefighter when explaining to Elmo that there is no water system on the planet that could handle the amount of water needed for these fires.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1878671757533704218