Let's buy Greenland

[Politruk]

It's NOT about the fucking land, it's never been about the land.

Land can be mined. But not if it's under ice.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Idiots abound.

Greedy little minds dwell on greedy little thoughts. Whoever develops whatever resources Greenland has to offer will make them available on the global market. Those resources represent revenue and hoarded resources are of no value at all. Further Greenland has nothing to offer that isn't available from other sources.

As the inter-glacial progresses the Arctic Ocean will become a major transit route. Anyone that understands rhumb lines and great circle navigation (spherical trigonometry) understands that. The issue is the free movement of those resources between trading partners without restriction. Anyone that is paying attention to what China is trying to do in the South China Sea should be well aware of the extreme danger of allowing China/Russia to dictate the terms of passage. In effect the erection of maritime toll-roads. And that's what's at stake here, not the resources themselves.

 

[Politruk]

Idiots abound.

Greedy little minds dwell on greedy little thoughts. Whoever develops whatever resources Greenland has to offer will make them available on the global market. Those resources represent revenue and hoarded resources are of no value at all. Further Greenland has nothing to offer that isn't available from other sources.

As the inter-glacial progresses the Arctic Ocean will become a major transit route. Anyone that understands rhumb lines and great circle navigation (spherical trigonometry) understands that. The issue is the free movement of those resources between trading partners without restriction. Anyone that is paying attention to what China is trying to do in the South China Sea should be well aware of the extreme danger of allowing China/Russia to dictate the terms of passage. In effect the erection of maritime toll-roads. And that's what's at stake here, not the resources themselves.

I really can't see China's or Russia's navy ever amounting to much in the waters around Greenland.

 

[LoneMilf]

You said that several times.

You’re still wrong.

Repetition doesn't prove a point, of course.
Quoting official and authoritative sources does

Here is the explanation from the Danish Prime Minister's Office:
https://english.stm.dk/the-prime-ministers-office/the-unity-of-the-realm/greenland/

It states clearly which parts may in the future be decided by Greenland and which may not:
"In respect of the Unity of the Realm and special provisions in the Danish Constitution, responsibility for the following fields may not be transferred: the Constitution; nationality; the Supreme Court; foreign, defence and security policy as well as exchange rate and monetary policy."

It also states clearly that Greenlandic independence can only be concluded with the consent of the Danish Parliament (Folketinget).

If you have sources that disagree with this, I would be very curious to see them.

 

[Bn2f]

More land will appear because global warming will make sea levels rise? Is that why Obama likes ocean front property? As a side point, the USA doesn't have a "rainy day" fund for buying Greenland. So, it would be best if Elon buys it. I also wonder if there would be interest in using it as a place to ship illegal aliens. Not the mainland but one of the off shore little islands. I know that they were not welcome on Martha's Vineyard Island. But maybe Greenland would be a sanctuary ice burg.

There was no point in this whole post Mr. 'Why-I-have-no-idea-what-sealioning-is'.

 

[Bn2f]

Repetition doesn't prove a point, of course.
Quoting official and authoritative sources does

Here is the explanation from the Danish Prime Minister's Office:
https://english.stm.dk/the-prime-ministers-office/the-unity-of-the-realm/greenland/

It states clearly which parts may in the future be decided by Greenland and which may not:
"In respect of the Unity of the Realm and special provisions in the Danish Constitution, responsibility for the following fields may not be transferred: the Constitution; nationality; the Supreme Court; foreign, defence and security policy as well as exchange rate and monetary policy."

It also states clearly that Greenlandic independence can only be concluded with the consent of the Danish Parliament (Folketinget).

If you have sources that disagree with this, I would be very curious to see them.

No source is needed to disagree with your posted citations. The non American citizen member you are talking to believes, on the kindest level, that the incoming US president can do whatever whims that may come to his childlike mind. On the worst level, this member is a privileged male who feels it beneath him to have to be questioned and answer to a woman.

 

[JohnEngelman]

First of all, buy, purchase, a contract between willing parties.

1. The US has had a continuous military presence in Greenland since 1941.

2. Denmark was, is, and will continue to be incapable of protecting their interests in Greenland.

3. If, as the hand wringing bed wetters insist, that the Arctic ice is going to all melt then the Arctic Ocean is going to become a major oceanic trans-shipment body of water. Those waters will need to be patrolled to protect from parties that would want to control those sea lanes for their own purposes. Two not so friendly powers, Russia and China, have designs on the Arctic and Canada, with their 50 canoe Navy, just isn't up to the task.

Purchasing Greenland from Denmark makes perfect sense if you think long term. Remember, a lot of people made fun of Jefferson with his "Louisiana Purchase" and "Seward's Folly", the Alaskan purchase.

How much will Greenland cost? Who will pay?

 

[Wat_Tyler]

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[Bn2f]

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aAyG8B0_460swp.webp

All morning. All this morning, folks.
Took him all of this morning of crafting numerous rough drafts before he settled in on that joke.
Yugeland . Just. Let. That. One. Simmer. OK? Yugeland

 

[Rebel5soul]

this is a fun little thread, but the fix has been in for decades.

Denmark won’t be keeping Greenland. ( sorry danishmilf or whatever you’re called)

It’s already gone.

When Greenland achieved Self Rule in 2009, the USA did a deal with the new government on minerals and of course security.

https://govmin.gl/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/MoU_Govt_of_Greenland_USA_2019.pdf

There ya go, a baseline negotiating foundation. And would you look at the date.

 

[MajorRewrite]

this is a fun little thread, but the fix has been in for decades.

Denmark won’t be keeping Greenland. ( sorry danishmilf or whatever you’re called)

It’s already gone.

When Greenland achieved Self Rule in 2009, the USA did a deal with the new government on minerals and of course security.

https://govmin.gl/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/MoU_Govt_of_Greenland_USA_2019.pdf

In time, Greenland will be more fully governed by the USA, or using Canada as the shill.

But it’s part of North America, so that’s what’s going to happen.

That has nothing to do with buying Greenland. But here’s an award for your persistent effort.

 

[Deleted member 6873114]

Land can be mined. But not if it's under ice.

I think you are on to something. The capitalists are driving cars that run on oil and living in heated homes and eating meat as part of a plot to cause global warming in order to melt the ice away from Greenland. They thought about finding a way to drill through ice to get at the rock. They know how to mine in rock but not even Elon can figure out how to drill or dig into ice. But once they melt all the ice they will mine the minerals under Greenland and ship the minerals to Mars so that Elon's home planet can get the minerals they need to take over the earth. All the pieces of the puzzle are coming together.

 

[HisArpy]

I think you are on to something. The capitalists are driving cars that run on oil and living in heated homes and eating meat as part of a plot to cause global warming in order to melt the ice away from Greenland. They thought about finding a way to drill through ice to get at the rock. They know how to mine in rock but not even Elon can figure out how to drill or dig into ice. But once they melt all the ice they will mine the minerals under Greenland and ship the minerals to Mars so that Elon's home planet can get the minerals they need to take over the earth. All the pieces of the puzzle are coming together.

Wait until the ice melts and starts to fill up the strip mines those capitalists will be making in Greenland. It'll end up being a ring of islands akin to Atlantis...

Hay, wait a minute....

 

[Deleted member 6873114]

Wait until the ice melts and starts to fill up the strip mines those capitalists will be making in Greenland. It'll end up being a ring of islands akin to Atlantis...

Hay, wait a minute....

Yep! Atlantis is what happened the last time they tried this.

 

[ll74]

Yep! Atlantis is what happened the last time they tried this.

Atlantis is not a real thing. It's a fantasy creation

 

[ChloeTzang]

I really can't see China's or Russia's navy ever amounting to much in the waters around Greenland.

Russia - probably not, after Ukraine's finished with them, but China is building a blue water navy like crazy and they're in this for the long haul. China always thinks ahead, and in terms of decades, not just a year or two. That's why they're solidifying their control over natural resources in Africa and Canada, as well as South America. South China Sea. Panama Canal. Next they'll be entrenched in Aden and Somalia as well as Cape Town - control of resources and maritime shipping route, plus their Silk Road initiative. And Siberia......this is all long term stuff.

 

[MajorRewrite]

None of this is now… except the way Trump triggers the leftards here. Lol

“Since 1867, the United States has considered, and made, several attempts to purchase the island of Greenland from Denmark, as it did with the Danish West Indies in 1917.

A 1951 treaty gives the United States much control over its defense.”

Trump makes moronic statements about buying Greenland.

Lance desperately defends the moronic statements and calls the people laughing at Trump “leftards”.

We all know who the “tards” are, Lance.

 

[ll74]

The US has been trying to buy Greenland since 1867.

Ya Dummy.
Lol

They have not.

A few Presidents mentioned buying it.

The rest have not

 

[IARainman]

More land will appear because global warming will make sea levels rise? Is that why Obama likes ocean front property? As a side point, the USA doesn't have a "rainy day" fund for buying Greenland. So, it would be best if Elon buys it. I also wonder if there would be interest in using it as a place to ship illegal aliens. Not the mainland but one of the off shore little islands. I know that they were not welcome on Martha's Vineyard Island. But maybe Greenland would be a sanctuary ice burg.

I’m sure DJT intends to buy it, then default and go into bankruptcy , it’s a tried and true business model for him.

 

[Politruk]

I think you are on to something. The capitalists are driving cars that run on oil and living in heated homes and eating meat as part of a plot to cause global warming in order to melt the ice away from Greenland. They thought about finding a way to drill through ice to get at the rock. They know how to mine in rock but not even Elon can figure out how to drill or dig into ice. But once they melt all the ice they will mine the minerals under Greenland and ship the minerals to Mars so that Elon's home planet can get the minerals they need to take over the earth. All the pieces of the puzzle are coming together.

The ice matters. That is why there is no mining in Antarctica. You have to dig through a mile of ice just to find out what's there.

 

[Rebel5soul]

There's seven more p-38's and a B-17 all virtually brand new.

 

[Politruk]

There's seven more p-38's and a B-17 all virtually brand new.

A B-17 is a WWII bomber plane.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Just can't slip anything past some folks. *chuckle*

 

[Rebel5soul]

The preliminary deal with Denmark was that the US would take over the maintenance payments, about $5.0 billion/yr. and would split the resource revenue 50/50 while managing all security.

 

[LoneMilf]

The 52,000 Canadian Eskimos that are now considered the First Nation of Greenland are really in charge and have been since 2009.

The problem is that Eskimos and the Chinese are from the same stock… so they’re getting friendly.

The USA is not keen on China running Greenland.

And no matter how often you say this, it is still not true. See my previous post and link for proof.

The 2009 Act provides only the possibility for Greenland to take over responsibility for some aspects of society. So far, they have taken over responsibility for mining - there are no other concrete plans yet.