will automation make human obsolete?

[dominatrixjane]

will automation make human obsolete?

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/sep/18/are-machines-making-humans-obsolete

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2016/06/14/will-ai-and-robots-make-humans-obsolete/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/24/robots-future-work-humans-jobs-leisure

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/martin-ford/robots-human-workers_b_1604965.html


idle hands are the devil's workshop


idle minds are the devil's playground


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/carole-bennett/the-road-to-addiction---b_b_252492.html

 

[WoundedKnee]

No...

Now, go throw wooden shoes at the looms.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Extinct.

 

[William_James]

Yes.

It's just a matter of how soon.

 

[Hypoxia]

We're already obsolete. Birds surpass us. We know crows use tools. Now we've verified that raptors use fire. Be kind; a duck could be somebody's mother. And your avian master.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Listen. Understand. That Terminator is out there. It can't be reasoned with, it can't be bargained with...it doesn't feel pity of remorse or fear...and it absolutely will not stop. Ever. Until you are dead.

 

[Hypoxia]

I should post a poll: HOW WILL HUMANITY END?

* Devoured by robots.
* Enslaved by androids.
* Tricked by mutant ravens.
* Turned to green slime by rogue GMOs.
* Engineered or natural STD epidemic.
* Smothered by detritus (trash).
* Slain by widespread toxins.
* Asteroid strike.
* Alien invasion.
* Submerged by rising seas.
* Suffocated/frozen by supervolcano.
* Black hole consumes the planet.
* Divine intervention (ie any of the above)
* Bored into mass suicide.

I await your suggestions.

 

[richard_daily]

Based on the title of this post, it's already started.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Listen. Understand. That Terminator is out there. It can't be reasoned with, it can't be bargained with...it doesn't feel pity of remorse or fear...and it absolutely will not stop. Ever. Until you are dead.

And you shall know him by his black shroud and sickle.

 

[WoundedKnee]

I should post a poll: HOW WILL HUMANITY END?

* Devoured by robots.
* Enslaved by androids.
* Tricked by mutant ravens.
* Turned to green slime by rogue GMOs.
* Engineered or natural STD epidemic.
* Smothered by detritus (trash).
* Slain by widespread toxins.
* Asteroid strike.
* Alien invasion.
* Submerged by rising seas.
* Suffocated/frozen by supervolcano.
* Black hole consumes the planet.
* Divine intervention (ie any of the above)
* Bored into mass suicide.

I await your suggestions.

Ice Nine

 

[lemonbread]

Capitalism would likely crumble if everything being automated was the norm, but that might not be a bad thing. Universal basic income would be almost a necessity for a functioning automated society and that could lead to major advancements if we no longer had to waste our time working.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Capitalism would likely crumble if everything being automated was the norm, but that might not be a bad thing.

Nope, for the same reason it didn't disappear despite the most tyrannical efforts to stamp it out.

People still need to exchange shit, as long as there is that need, there will be capitalism in some form. Black market, free market, open market, mixed market......usually a combo.

Universal basic income would be almost a necessity for a functioning automated society

Yep, and someone somewhere will accumulate more of it than others.

and that could lead to major advancements if we no longer had to waste our time working.

Totally, it would be a wild thing that would allow a lot more advancement in the world of science, technology and various art/cultural endeavors. But not all of us would choose not to "work".

"Work" being whatever good/service you provide to accumulate currency to exchange for stuff.

Personally I enjoy getting money from people. It's the most powerful high I know of....If I had a trillion bucks or a universal income I'd still get up tomorrow and keep grinding because I crave the thrill of the kill. And I am far from the only person like that. From the streets to Wall St. hustlers gotta hustle.

 

[lemonbread]

Nope, for the same reason it didn't disappear despite the most tyrannical efforts to stamp it out.

People still need to exchange shit, as long as there is that need, there will be capitalism in some form. Black market, free market, open market, mixed market......usually a combo.



Yep, and someone somewhere will accumulate more of it than others.



Totally, it would be a wild thing that would allow a lot more advancement in the world of science, technology and various art/cultural endeavors. But not all of us would choose not to "work".

"Work" being whatever good/service you provide to accumulate currency to exchange for stuff.

Personally I enjoy getting money from people. It's the most powerful high I know of....If I had a trillion bucks or a universal income I'd still get up tomorrow and keep grinding because I crave the thrill of the kill. And I am far from the only person like that. From the streets to Wall St. hustlers gotta hustle.

Some people will certainly still have more than other people, and goods and services will still be exchanged. I guess I'm not really calling that in itself capitalism. Most goods and services would likely be controlled by the government, because they need the profits to support the country. A lot of private corporations rising to riches will probably not be a thing under those circumstances. So maybe I should have said something more like "Capitalism as we see it today" or something like that. That's not saying everyone will everything in common and there won't be anything for people to make money on individually. I just think low wage jobs and even a lot of the higher wage jobs, such as people working in health care being replaced with automated systems would make humans the opposite of obsolete. We would be able do so much more that we wanted to do. I could be studying cancer or advancing technology instead of laying tile.

 

[LIVINRFANTASIES]

Just Dollie

We're already obsolete. We just came home to have sex and die.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Some people will certainly still have more than other people, and goods and services will still be exchanged. I guess I'm not really calling that in itself capitalism.

So maybe I should have said something more like "Capitalism as we see it today" or something like that.

So you're not talking about capitalism.

What are you talking about? What is this "capitalism" that's not capitalism you speak of?

goods and services would likely be controlled by the government, because they need the profits to support the country. A lot of private corporations rising to riches will probably not be a thing under those circumstances.

You're right you wouldn't see many private companies under totalitarian soviet style socialism.

Only criminal empires, and I hope to gawd the USA is never so stupid as to go so radically far left.

That's not saying everyone will everything in common and there won't be anything for people to make money on individually.

If you allow people to make money then you have to open up some markets and allow capitalism in. Which will put the government out of business in a lot of cases because it sucks at a lot of things and we're back to the taxed/regulated mixed economy trying to strike a balance between public interest and facilitating exchange.

I don't think even the wonders of the tech revolution will eliminate the reality that you can't go total control left anymore than you can go full right with no government control. You have to compromise or it goes bad real real fast.

I just think low wage jobs and even a lot of the higher wage jobs, such as people working in health care being replaced with automated systems would make humans the opposite of obsolete. We would be able do so much more that we wanted to do. I could be studying cancer or advancing technology instead of laying tile.

On that I totally agree with you, but it would make having massive super populations obsolete. The tech utopia is going to require some very strict well planned population/immigration controls to put our population back in balance with what our resources can safely support.

Causing a whole new set of problems to deal with.....like needing a new plague.

 

[KylieSandersonE8Kf]

Wow guys, I'm just scared to read this, in my opinion - evolution is a step forward, and we are moving in the right direction. I work in the field of robotics and every day I meet AI and analyze all this. I can say with confidence that in our time the world is beginning to be built up with the help of robots, cars, things, all production, even skyscrapers are beginning to be made with the help of robots. Recently, I made an automation system in my home with alarm controllers and cameras , and this is also one of the proofs that robots are already everywhere around us. There is nothing wrong with this, and the person does not become obsolete from this, don't talk nonsense.