US college system

[Zeb_Carter]

Do US nurses know the differences between themselves and a ladder? Or is that just crude Aussies?

Actually, US nursed are the backbone of the US medical system. They do more than most doctors as far as patient care goes. They even, in some cases, diagnose patient problems...but they don't do anything without the orders of a doctor.

The first medical personnel you see is a nurse. Last time I went to the emergency room at the local hospital, I didn't see a doctor for two hours. Saw three or four nurses, who reported back to the doctor.

 

[ChloeTzang]

But you get to wear the little white outfit with the foldy cap, right? That's the important thing.

Nooooo, blue scrubs. Very boring and utilitarian. Not flattering at all but then, if you're seeing me at work, the last thing on your mind is if your nurse looks cute, believe me on that one. It's more like "can you do something for the pain". And if you're in good enough condition to appreciate your so charming nurse, why, you cNt be that bad. End of the priority queue for you, baby. I could never do a hospital erotic story, I'd die laughing thinking of all the non erotic things. You'd be surprised (or maybe not) at just how many people come in totally embarrassed coz "something is uhhhhhh stuck...."
"Where?"
"There"
Chloe tries not to smile and usually succeeds. You see some weird things in ER. It's totally an education in life.

And yep, you sure do see the nurses first.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Actually, US nursed are the backbone of the US medical system. They do more than most doctors as far as patient care goes. They even, in some cases, diagnose patient problems...but they don't do anything without the orders of a doctor.

The first medical personnel you see is a nurse. Last time I went to the emergency room at the local hospital, I didn't see a doctor for two hours. Saw three or four nurses, who reported back to the doctor.

Lotsa hospital experiences here. I saw it all. Had mega battles with MDs and charge nurses and cops and therapists. I was king of the ER and I was the klaw in the ER. And I saw every form of sexual coupling on the menu, especially charge nurses and their orderlies.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I wrote a hospital scene where a nurse is atop her patient when the drip bag alarm goes off for the other patient in the room. The other patient awakes and see's the nurse wrestling with her clothes and ass over tea cup.

 

[DrDelirium]

Nooooo, blue scrubs. Very boring and utilitarian. Not flattering at all but then, if you're seeing me at work, the last thing on your mind is if your nurse looks cute, believe me on that one. It's more like "can you do something for the pain". And if you're in good enough condition to appreciate your so charming nurse, why, you cNt be that bad. End of the priority queue for you, baby. I could never do a hospital erotic story, I'd die laughing thinking of all the non erotic things. You'd be surprised (or maybe not) at just how many people come in totally embarrassed coz "something is uhhhhhh stuck...."
"Where?"
"There"
Chloe tries not to smile and usually succeeds. You see some weird things in ER. It's totally an education in life.

And yep, you sure do see the nurses first.

I recently spent a fair amount of time at the hospital hanging out with a visiting friend whose cancer perforated his colon just as he got into to town. Both of us would have appreciated some jaunty nurses' caps at various stages of the proceedings, although his SO perhaps not so much. Okay, mostly me.
Seriously, though, I was struck by how thoroughly unhealthy most of the nursing staff appeared. It's very stressful work, and it seems to take quite a toll. I hope you take care of yourself. And maybe wear a little foldy cap once in awhile.

 

[NotWise]

Nooooo, blue scrubs. Very boring and utilitarian

The university hospital where my wife works decreed that different categories of employees wear different color scrubs. The residents wear green. I think it's the tech's that wear blue. The phlebotomists wear dark red of course (I wonder how much time that had to put into that decision).

Different categories of nurses wear different colors. As an RN, my wife wears black--in a psychiatric hospital. She's always thought that was a bad choice.

 

[ChloeTzang]

The university hospital where my wife works decreed that different categories of employees wear different color scrubs. The residents wear green. I think it's the tech's that wear blue. The phlebotomists wear dark red of course (I wonder how much time that had to put into that decision).

Different categories of nurses wear different colors. As an RN, my wife wears black--in a psychiatric hospital. She's always thought that was a bad choice.

Yep, we have the different colors thing too but here there's not so many different colors for the nurses. I like the pink ones myself, that's such a chirpy color but we don't have pink. Oh well.

And no cute little caps either. As for the hazmat outfits ....

 

[LadyMireille]

You can spend 2 years at a community college, getting an Associate Degree, then 2 years at a university to get your Bachelor Degree. Then you can go on to do your graduate work, for 4 more years to get your Masters Degree. Then spend another 4 years getting your Doctorate Degree.

Or

You can spend the 4 years getting your Bachelor Degree, then go to Medical School for 4 year to get your Medical Degree. But then, in most states, you have to spend the next 5 years as an intern/resident at a teaching hospital to become a full fledged Doctor.

So, 4+4+4 = 16 years to get a PhD. (Although it sometimes takes a lot longer)

and 4+4+5 = 17 years to become a Medical Doctor. (Then...in most states you have to be board certified to practice)

As for movies about live on campus...most out there are comedies, like Animal House...

Real Genius
Van Wilder

That's all I got. Hope this helps.

Your Math is incorrect. I worked at a university.

A master's is not 4 years. The typical master's is 36 credits, which many complete in 2 years (9 credits a semester for 4 semesters). Some master's programs are more credits, depending on the major. For example, my master's was 48 credits. I still completed in just over 2 years. 9 credits for fall and spring, 6 credits for summer, times two years = 48 credits. We also cannot forget that if you take a combination degree where you earn your bachelor's and master's at the same time, students go for 5 years straight and complete both within the 5 years. (various certifications for different fields are too numerous to list, but are often done sometime during the last year of university or right after).

Some MBA programs require up to 60 credits. Depending on how many credits you take, you can still finish that in 2 years, as well (12, 12, 6, 12, 12, 6).

Doctorate. Programs vary widely, as well. If you have a master's it typically only requires 3 years (because often some of the courses overlap). Plus the dissertation. Most students do not complete it at the same time as their coursework. It can take one semester or many years for a person to finish it (and some never do). If you go to get your doctorate straight from your bachelor's then it usually takes 4 years to complete the coursework. Plus dissertation. FYI... you do not have to get a master's degree to get a PhD or go to medical school. The Master's degree is a different degree, not an in-line degree required beforehand.

Medical School. You can also go from bachelor's to medical school. It usually takes 4 years in medical school, but they they have to do their residency and their fellowship, which takes another 3 years. For some very specialized fields the residency/fellowship is longer. Plus you have to pass the Boards at some point.

Law school. These programs are three years and you have to pass the Bar exam.

So... You could have your master's degree as early as age 23. You could get your doctorate by the time you are 26 (if you assume a 4 yr bachelor's and a 4 year doctorate and assuming you finish your dissertation at the same time). You may finish medical school by the time you are 26, but you are not done with your training until completing the residency/fellowship when you are 29 (and pass the boards). You can be completed with Law School by 25 (assuming the Bar is passed, too). These figures are based on a person going straight through as a full-time student.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I did it all, and dimiss college/grad school a colossal waste of time and money. My high school drafting program was useful, my military mechanics school was useful, my 4 year sheet metal pattern making school was useful, as were courses for welding, refrigeration, estimation, and electronics/computers. The 8-9 years I spent in college was a waste except for the math. The dummest humans I ever knew I net in college.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

What I gave was a general outline of coursework. Sometimes you can take less or more time, and NotWise is right, it's now 2 year of full time study to get a Masters, but if your doing it part time expect it to take longer.

For PhD. most students average four to seven years to complete a Ph.D. program. Most students take one to three years just to write there dissertation. Then there is course work and research projects.

Adding the four to five years of undergraduate study to earn a bachelor's, and another two to three years for a master's, students spend an average 10 to 15 years after first entering college.

Your Math is incorrect. I worked at a university.

A master's is not 4 years. The typical master's is 36 credits, which many complete in 2 years (9 credits a semester for 4 semesters). Some master's programs are more credits, depending on the major. For example, my master's was 48 credits. I still completed in just over 2 years. 9 credits for fall and spring, 6 credits for summer, times two years = 48 credits. We also cannot forget that if you take a combination degree where you earn your bachelor's and master's at the same time, students go for 5 years straight and complete both within the 5 years. (various certifications for different fields are too numerous to list, but are often done sometime during the last year of university or right after).

Some MBA programs require up to 60 credits. Depending on how many credits you take, you can still finish that in 2 years, as well (12, 12, 6, 12, 12, 6).

Doctorate. Programs vary widely, as well. If you have a master's it typically only requires 3 years (because often some of the courses overlap). Plus the dissertation. Most students do not complete it at the same time as their coursework. It can take one semester or many years for a person to finish it (and some never do). If you go to get your doctorate straight from your bachelor's then it usually takes 4 years to complete the coursework. Plus dissertation. FYI... you do not have to get a master's degree to get a PhD or go to medical school. The Master's degree is a different degree, not an in-line degree required beforehand.

Medical School. You can also go from bachelor's to medical school. It usually takes 4 years in medical school, but they they have to do their residency and their fellowship, which takes another 3 years. For some very specialized fields the residency/fellowship is longer. Plus you have to pass the Boards at some point.

Law school. These programs are three years and you have to pass the Bar exam.

So... You could have your master's degree as early as age 23. You could get your doctorate by the time you are 26 (if you assume a 4 yr bachelor's and a 4 year doctorate and assuming you finish your dissertation at the same time). You may finish medical school by the time you are 26, but you are not done with your training until completing the residency/fellowship when you are 29 (and pass the boards). You can be completed with Law School by 25 (assuming the Bar is passed, too). These figures are based on a person going straight through as a full-time student.

So, you must have missed my follow up statement.

And if you finished high school by the time your were fourteen, then all bets are off.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I advised my black grandkids to avoid all nigger consolation prizes disguised as honors and awards. The grandson got his engineering degree in May and is on his way to the army for officer training and green beret training. Killing is a useful vocation. His mom is a liberal snowflake, he listens to me. His sister is in college to be a pharmacist.

Old white guys know what matters.

 

[LadyMireille]

So, you must have missed my follow up statement.

And if you finished high school by the time your were fourteen, then all bets are off.

No, I saw it (where you stated your figures were an average). My figures are based on a high school graduate at age 18. 14... funny.

Don't take offense, I wasn't trying to insult you. As an administrator at a university that offered bachelor's and master's programs, and had a law school and medical school, I am very familiar with the credit hours required for all of those programs. Based on the OP's original question, I assumed they meant attending full-time, and based my information on that. I was simply stating that attending full-time, your math is not correct. If attending part-time, it could take any amount of time to complete a degree.

As part of my job, I am up on trends in enrollment and student statistics. Your statement that an average person spends an average of 15 years after high school is exaggerated. 15 years would apply if a person spends most of their education going part-time, and assuming they pursue a degree beyond a bachelor's, not to mention that higher education is not the norm, despite master's programs becoming more popular than in the past.

Have a nice day.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

My Masters program no longer exists. In the 80s it was 150 hours plus 30 odd hours of psychology course work. The 150 hours included a one year intership and a thesis. Mine was the genetics of alcoholism. The state abolished vocational rehab so the program changed to mental health and addictions. Its now 60 hours of coursework.

We had no female faculty, and it was paradise. Its all snowflakes with cunt caps now.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

No, I saw it (where you stated your figures were an average). My figures are based on a high school graduate at age 18. 14... funny.

Don't take offense, I wasn't trying to insult you. As an administrator at a university that offered bachelor's and master's programs, and had a law school and medical school, I am very familiar with the credit hours required for all of those programs. Based on the OP's original question, I assumed they meant attending full-time, and based my information on that. I was simply stating that attending full-time, your math is not correct. If attending part-time, it could take any amount of time to complete a degree.

As part of my job, I am up on trends in enrollment and student statistics. Your statement that an average person spends an average of 15 years after high school is exaggerated. 15 years would apply if a person spends most of their education going part-time, and assuming they pursue a degree beyond a bachelor's, not to mention that higher education is not the norm, despite master's programs becoming more popular than in the past.

Have a nice day.

I stated I was incorrect about the masters. The Ph.D. while having 45 - 60 credit hours attached to it also had research projects on top of that, along with their dissertation. From what I have read the dissertation alone will take from 1 to 3 years on average, working on it full time. And they you have to defend it. If you lose, it's back to the drawing board.

 

[legerdemer]

I stated I was incorrect about the masters. The Ph.D. while having 45 - 60 credit hours attached to it also had research projects on top of that, along with their dissertation. From what I have read the dissertation alone will take from 1 to 3 years on average, working on it full time. And they you have to defend it. If you lose, it's back to the drawing board.

PhD programs vary by field to a large extent. The average in the sciences these days is 5-6 years (closer to 6), including research and dissertation defense. But they essentially all have qualifying exams at the 2nd or 3rd year - if the student passes those and if the research program is reasonable, they have to work hard to fail their defense.

Computer and mathematics degrees take less time, in general.

And then in some fields there is still more, resembling apprenticeships (parallel to medical residencies)... but that would get truly boring to keep going.

 

[NotWise]

PhD programs vary by field to a large extent. The average in the sciences these days is 5-6 years (closer to 6), including research and dissertation defense. But they essentially all have qualifying exams at the 2nd or 3rd year - if the student passes those and if the research program is reasonable, they have to work hard to fail their defense.

I work in a pretty commercial field of science. All of the PhD candidates I knew in school were gainfully employed before or right after they completed their course requirements. It may have taken six years to complete the degree, but only 2-3 years was spent in school.

 

[My I]

Too funny.

Inappropriate, Disrespectful and Un-called for.

Welcome to my ignore list.

 

[legerdemer]

I work in a pretty commercial field of science. All of the PhD candidates I knew in school were gainfully employed before or right after they completed their course requirements. It may have taken six years to complete the degree, but only 2-3 years was spent in school.

I wish that were true in the life sciences but it isn't.

Engineering, math, geology - almost certainly. Physics, probably. Chemistry, not likely if you go into academia. Biology, almost never if you're headed for academia, about 30-50% for industry jobs.

 

[lordfarquat]

Good to know

No, I saw it (where you stated your figures were an average). My figures are based on a high school graduate at age 18. 14... funny.

Don't take offense, I wasn't trying to insult you. As an administrator at a university that offered bachelor's and master's programs, and had a law school and medical school, I am very familiar with the credit hours required for all of those programs. Based on the OP's original question, I assumed they meant attending full-time, and based my information on that. I was simply stating that attending full-time, your math is not correct. If attending part-time, it could take any amount of time to complete a degree.

As part of my job, I am up on trends in enrollment and student statistics. Your statement that an average person spends an average of 15 years after high school is exaggerated. 15 years would apply if a person spends most of their education going part-time, and assuming they pursue a degree beyond a bachelor's, not to mention that higher education is not the norm, despite master's programs becoming more popular than in the past.

Have a nice day.

I'm glad someone on here knows what the hell they are talking about. Few people understand the difference between different types of doctorates, when masters are included, and how long programs take.

Higher education certainly needs significant reform in this country, but I would attribute that to the awful role of money in the system. Profits do not make better schools-better professors led by the right people do!

 

[Trumpire]

I'm glad someone on here knows what the hell they are talking about...

...better professors led by the right people do!

People who believe that last statement are part of the issue, IMO.

I've had a "disability" basically my entire life. I used to go to the Cancer Society events, just to back/support, but not able to raise money.... Till I got diagnosed with another incurable disease.

THAT one has its fundraising events, too, but do I go to them? Heck, no! Why? I got 10 that says there's a "specialist" in that medical field working for its society. They know if some find out they were diagnosed but don't truly have it, & the rest find & get the cure, there goes the specialists' money-sources!