Question about non-consent, age and fantasy settings for submission

[Altani]

Please bear with me and hopefully I’ll ask my questions in a manner that is easily understood.

First is about non-consent. Where is the line drawn between unacceptable rape and acceptable? The stories that I researched here under non-consent seem to suggest that if the victim has an orgasm, then it’s acceptable. From forced sodomy to the victim begging the assailants to stop, the only factor I found that they have in common is a confused orgasm by the victim. No acceptance or admittance of actually liking it. What are the guidelines on this? My story isn’t focused on rape, but it is set in a fantasy/medieval theme, so it does happen. It’s only inferred, no actual description of the act or feelings from either party.

Second is age. [Discussions promoting and/or accusations involving under-18-year-old sexuality prohibited per our forum guidelines.]

Lastly, the fantasy setting. This takes place on a world that isn’t earth and has a completely different system of time. 8 days in a week, 28 hours in a day, 11 months in a year, so in Earth’s time, 15 years in this world is the same amount of time as 18 in ours. Also, there are races that mature much slower than humans. Namely elves, who don’t reach sexual maturity until 35 years (35 being the same as 18). Then there is the exact opposite, creatures who reach maturity well before 18 years. These are mostly demons, who are fully matured by 5 years and succubi who are fully matured at creation.

Any help would be greatly appreciated and if posting a small excerpt is allowed, I could give you the premise of the unfortunate scene so pointers could be given to find a way for the tragedy to be allowed in.

Thank you for taking your time to either read or reply. Any advice is welcomed and appreciated.

 

[Winter_Fare]

So far in my (limited) experience:

1. Non con? Spot on. Mutual enjoyment at some point is the box you need to tick. (No 'snuff' or death mid coitus.)

2. Under age? Nope. Even mentioning it as a detail in a characters history is a nope. Check out Ogsbashan's sticky on this forum.

3. 18 is default minimum for humans. In non human stories, everyone/everything must not be a juvenile.

Hope that helps, but for a definitive answer, only Laural the editor can say. She can be messaged on here, it's the Laurel with kittymomma in the description. Don't bother with the email, PM is far more efficient.

 

[Voboy]

Please bear with me and hopefully I’ll ask my questions in a manner that is easily understood.

First is about non-consent. Where is the line drawn between unacceptable rape and acceptable? The stories that I researched here under non-consent seem to suggest that if the victim has an orgasm, then it’s acceptable. From forced sodomy to the victim begging the assailants to stop, the only factor I found that they have in common is a confused orgasm by the victim. No acceptance or admittance of actually liking it. What are the guidelines on this? My story isn’t focused on rape, but it is set in a fantasy/medieval theme, so it does happen. It’s only inferred, no actual description of the act or feelings from either party.

Second is age. Underage sex happens in real life and plays a pivotal role in teenagers growing experience. Again, as in my previous question, this is inferred only and is between two under 18 characters. The actual scene involved is the rape of a 12 year old girl by a 12 year old boy. There is no description of body parts or written penetration. The only part that suggests the actual rape occurs are the pained screams and sobbing of the victim being heard outside the door of the room.

Lastly, the fantasy setting. This takes place on a world that isn’t earth and has a completely different system of time. 8 days in a week, 28 hours in a day, 11 months in a year, so in Earth’s time, 15 years in this world is the same amount of time as 18 in ours. Also, there are races that mature much slower than humans. Namely elves, who don’t reach sexual maturity until 35 years (35 being the same as 18). Then there is the exact opposite, creatures who reach maturity well before 18 years. These are mostly demons, who are fully matured by 5 years and succubi who are fully matured at creation.

Any help would be greatly appreciated and if posting a small excerpt is allowed, I could give you the premise of the unfortunate scene so pointers could be given to find a way for the tragedy to be allowed in.

Thank you for taking your time to either read or reply. Any advice is welcomed and appreciated.

IMO:

1. I believe your understanding of nonconsent is basically accurate.

2. I do not believe your "pained screams and sobbing of the victim" are likely to pass muster here, provided the people involved are unambiguously under 18 and unambiguously fucking.

3. I do not think attempting to "skirt" the sub-18 rule in the way that you describe in your last query will work. I think you'd be best off if your demons and succubi wait until 18, as well, and you're also well-advised to make your 30-year-old elves NOT appear to be underdeveloped physically.

The prohibition on sub-18yo sex is the hill that Laurel will die on, and that's fine: it's her site. PLENTY of writers have tried to get around that, and all have failed (with various degrees of complaining about their own failure). She's up-front and unambiguous: no sex under 18, or that appears to be between people under 18.

Take all of the above with a grain of salt. Obviously, I'm not in charge here.

 

[SimonDoom]

Re nonconsent: the rule is it's OK if the victim enjoys it. If the victim orgasms and experiences pleasure, it's probably OK. It may seem like a weird rule, but that's the rule.

Re under-18: it's a hard line. No sexual activity, fantasies, or anything of the kind involving people under 18. You may be able to say something like, "She lost her virginity before she turned 18." But that's as far as you can go at this Site, if you can go even that far.

 

[Lovecraft_Lore]

Maybe for your first story shy away from the underage non-con.

The site is against torture porn. There are other sites that allow characters to rape others to death. Not so on literotica. It is for the best.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Maybe for your first story shy away from the underage non-con.

The site is against torture porn. There are other sites that allow characters to rape others to death. Not so on literotica. It is for the best.

Go to another site if you feel that it is the story you must tell. The fantasy setting is surely not going to get you a pass here. Personally, the only non-consent story I've ever done was a completely faked role-play, but I understand that some people do like to read and write about some very rough topics.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

Mentioning that a rape of a child happened, for plot reasons, should be OK.

A character knowing it happened because they heard screams may or may not be accepted. What is absolutely not accepted is any gratuitous detail - if you need more than one brief sentence about it for your plot, it's very unlikely to pass here.

 

[Altani]

[Material prohibited per our forum guidelines.]

 

[Altani]

So far in my (limited) experience:

1. Non con? Spot on. Mutual enjoyment at some point is the box you need to tick. (No 'snuff' or death mid coitus.)

2. Under age? Nope. Even mentioning it as a detail in a characters history is a nope. Check out Ogsbashan's sticky on this forum.

3. 18 is default minimum for humans. In non human stories, everyone/everything must not be a juvenile.

Hope that helps, but for a definitive answer, only Laural the editor can say. She can be messaged on here, it's the Laurel with kittymomma in the description. Don't bother with the email, PM is far more efficient.

That does help a lot. The only under 18 sex in the entire story is the rape scene which is very non-descriptive. All other sex is between fully matured adults of their respective race.

The first 7 chapters are about the MC's childhood after being reincarnated into a fantasy world, I won't even describe how people are dressed or developed. Even the one consensual sex scene between the two MC'S is inferred since most of the chapters they are under aged and growing up together. No nudity or description of sexual organs at all.

 

[Altani]

Mentioning that a rape of a child happened, for plot reasons, should be OK.

A character knowing it happened because they heard screams may or may not be accepted. What is absolutely not accepted is any gratuitous detail - if you need more than one brief sentence about it for your plot, it's very unlikely to pass here.

The rape happened to the secondary character of the story and is the MC'S main love interest. It's carried out by the stories first antagonist. Just think Joffrey x2.

 

[Altani]

Maybe for your first story shy away from the underage non-con.

The site is against torture porn. There are other sites that allow characters to rape others to death. Not so on literotica. It is for the best.

Agreed and thank you for the response.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I will post the scene for viewing so you can tell me what should be taken out of the story. This part is the story is pivotal for character development and the turning point to show there is no redemption possible for the antagonist. If this is unacceptable, please delete it or tell me and I'll remove it. If it's something that absolutely cannot and should not be in the story, suggestions are more than welcomed.

“Strip her,” Charles said, the maddening tone of his voice left no doubt to the seriousness of his demand.

The girls worked in tandem, ripping pieces of the Princess’ formal gown.

“No, wait. You don’t have to do this,” Ophelia cried, her pleas fell on deaf ears.

As Charles gripped her newly acquired necklace in his grip, he yanked the chain until it snapped, tossing the remnants into the corner.

“This is your fault,” he breathed. “You just had to play your part and be obedient. Now I have to punish you.”

Outside the room, the two girls holding watch over the hallway cringed at the agonized screams and muffled sobs of Princess Ophelia, the last part of her innocence ripped away.

A few minutes later, Charles exited the room wiping his bloody hands with the small scrap of Ophelia’s evening gown.

“You should lose some weight, love. No one wants a fat sow in their bed," he spoke, tossing the bloodied rag to the ground.

It's pretty, ah, dark, but you have no mention of their ages here. That aspect of it would pass. The lack of consent - I really don't know. Is it indirect or explicit? It might depend on what happens next. It might also depend on how Laurel perceives it. Recently, we mentioned how the site must use "bots" or "spiders" to check text without a human to read it. No one could read all of the submissions here.

 

[Altani]

Re nonconsent: the rule is it's OK if the victim enjoys it. If the victim orgasms and experiences pleasure, it's probably OK. It may seem like a weird rule, but that's the rule.

Re under-18: it's a hard line. No sexual activity, fantasies, or anything of the kind involving people under 18. You may be able to say something like, "She lost her virginity before she turned 18." But that's as far as you can go at this Site, if you can go even that far.

I was heavily researching the non-consent part, trying to figure out the line. Even forcing the victim to take drugs that cause an orgasm is fine, even if they hate the act after the drugs wore off.

 

[Voboy]

“Strip her,” Charles said, the maddening tone of his voice left no doubt to the seriousness of his demand.

The girls worked in tandem, ripping pieces of the Princess’ formal gown.

“No, wait. You don’t have to do this,” Ophelia cried, her pleas fell on deaf ears.

As Charles gripped her newly acquired necklace in his grip, he yanked the chain until it snapped, tossing the remnants into the corner.

“This is your fault,” he breathed. “You just had to play your part and be obedient. Now I have to punish you.”

Outside the room, the two girls holding watch over the hallway cringed at the agonized screams and muffled sobs of Princess Ophelia, the last part of her innocence ripped away. and tried not to think about the meaning of the screams from behind the door.

A few minutes later, Charles exited the room wiping his bloody hands with the small scrap of Ophelia’s evening gown.

“You should lose some weight, love. No one wants a fat sow in their bed," he spoke, tossing the bloodied rag to the ground.

Ew.

But I get it; I can see why that's an important scene.

Personally, I don't think you need the clause I crossed out above, with a more ambiguous (in bold) addition after. I think the meaning is more than clear, and that it's more likely to get published the way I suggest.

As for the closing line? Might want to stick with something that doesn't include the explicit phrase "in their bed." I can think of a few ways you could go.

 

[Winter_Fare]

I will post the scene for viewing so you can tell me what should be taken out of the story. This part is the story is pivotal for character development and the turning point to show there is no redemption possible for the antagonist. If this is unacceptable, please delete it or tell me and I'll remove it. If it's something that absolutely cannot and should not be in the story, suggestions are more than welcomed.

“Strip her,” Charles said, the maddening tone of his voice left no doubt to the seriousness of his demand.

The girls worked in tandem, ripping pieces of the Princess’ formal gown.

“No, wait. You don’t have to do this,” Ophelia cried, her pleas fell on deaf ears.

As Charles gripped her newly acquired necklace in his grip, he yanked the chain until it snapped, tossing the remnants into the corner.

“This is your fault,” he breathed. “You just had to play your part and be obedient. Now I have to punish you.”

Outside the room, the two girls holding watch over the hallway cringed at the agonized screams and muffled sobs of Princess Ophelia, the last part of her innocence ripped away.

A few minutes later, Charles exited the room wiping his bloody hands with the small scrap of Ophelia’s evening gown.

“You should lose some weight, love. No one wants a fat sow in their bed," he spoke, tossing the bloodied rag to the ground.

This isn't going to work if Ophelia is underage.

 

[Altani]

It's pretty, ah, dark, but you have no mention of their ages here. That aspect of it would pass. The lack of consent - I really don't know. Is it indirect or explicit? It might depend on what happens next. It might also depend on how Laurel perceives it. Recently, we mentioned how the site must use "bots" or "spiders" to check text without a human to read it. No one could read all of the submissions here.

They are the same age and this event happens on her 12 birthday.

 

[Voboy]

They are the same age and this event happens on her 12 birthday.

Forgot about that bit.

I would try to leave that out. Make it vague; DO NOT allude to prepubescence. It would be best all around if you could set everything six years along, honestly, and make it their 18th bday...

 

[Altani]

Ew.

But I get it; I can see why that's an important scene.

Personally, I don't think you need the clause I crossed out above, with a more ambiguous (in bold) addition after. I think the meaning is more than clear, and that it's more likely to get published the way I suggest.

As for the closing line? Might want to stick with something that doesn't include the explicit phrase "in their bed." I can think of a few ways you could go.

Thank you, that helps out a lot and makes it a little easier to digest. I understand why the age thing and consent is a hard subject to broach. No one wants to write or have people get off on pedophilia but as you can see (read) it's not really meant as an erotic scene more of a horror/I really hate that guy I hope he dies painfully scene.

 

[Altani]

I can see the issue here and a huge thank you for pointing it out in a very polite and objectionable manner. How does this work;

Ophelia opened the door to see Charles standing there, his face a mask of ire and contempt.

“You couldn’t be a good girl, for one night,” he hissed. “You just had to dance with HIM, didn’t you?"

As he forced himself into the room, Ophelia started back peddling, seeking any amount of distance between herself and him.

“No, wait,” she begged. “It won’t happen again.”

“You’re right," Charles spoke as he closed the door. "It won’t.”

A few minutes later, Charles exited the room, using a torn piece of Ophelia’s gown to wipe the blood from his hands.

“You might want to lose some weight, love,” he said condescendingly. “No one likes looking a fat sow.”

 

[Voboy]

Give it a shot! It's impossible for us to say specifically what'll fly and what won't. At least, if it gets rejected, you'll have a good idea why.

I think the age issue is far more significant to the site than the NC issue.

 

[Altani]

This isn't going to work if Ophelia is underage.

Thank you. I appreciate your insight.

 

[Altani]

Forgot about that bit.

I would try to leave that out. Make it vague; DO NOT allude to prepubescence. It would be best all around if you could set everything six years along, honestly, and make it their 18th bday...

On her 18th is when Charles murders her family in an attempt to usurp the throne since Ophelia’s older sister is now pregnant with a boy, meaning Charles has no chance at the throne.

 

[Altani]

Give it a shot! It's impossible for us to say specifically what'll fly and what won't. At least, if it gets rejected, you'll have a good idea why.

I think the age issue is far more significant to the site than the NC issue.

Thank you Voboy. Your help has been a tremendous boon.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I will post the scene for viewing so you can tell me what should be taken out of the story. This part is the story is pivotal for character development and the turning point to show there is no redemption possible for the antagonist. If this is unacceptable, please delete it or tell me and I'll remove it. If it's something that absolutely cannot and should not be in the story, suggestions are more than welcomed.

Very unlikely to be permitted in a story, and quite likely to be deleted here by mods.

 

[Altani]

I am hopeful since only the first draft was deleted from this thread and not the second, that the changes made should pass.