President Trump will be re-elected in 2020 and this is why...

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "That's simply a reflection of the share the Democratic candidate got nationwide in each of those elections. In no way does that prove - or even indicate - that it will continue trending downward next time. And you know it."

What you're trying to say is that the Democratic Party itself has been steadily SHRINKING, which is TRUE - Mitt Romney received 984,084 MORE popular votes nationwide than John McCain, while Donald Trump received 2,050,727 MORE popular votes than did Mitt Romney! Meanwhile, 2012-Obama received a whopping 3,580,921 FEWER popular votes nationwide than did 2008-Obama, while Hillary in '16 got 64,855 FEWER popular votes than 2012-Obama!

"That doesn't make them Idaho, Dump."

No, Idaho (and over a dozen other states) have voted Republican now in the past ten consecutive presidential elections. Arizona & North Carolina have both gone Democrat ONCE in that same period, while Florida has voted Democrat a whopping THREE times in the past forty-years! Meanwhile, only Minnesota has gone Democrat in the past ten consecutive presidential elections (and that will probably change in 2020!)

"And a Democratic governor means it'll be at least somewhat harder to suppress the black vote in Philadelphia, just for starters."

Actually, YDB95, the thing that "supressed the black vote in Philadelphia" was Hillary Clinton's name on the ballot. Black voter support for Democratic Party candidates is growing increasingly SHALLOW as black Americans ponder their rat-&-rodent-infested neighborhoods, and ask themselves WHY exactly have they been electing Democrats in their communities for the past half-century?

"No, we can't. You're just claiming that certain fast-growing states are red or at least purple because that's what you want to believe."

I can't stop you from denying reality. There was a news story recently about the cost of a rental van from California to Texas being MUCH HIGHER than that of a rental van from Texas to California. There are a LOT MORE Californians re-locating in the Lone Star state than vice-versa!

Boxlicker101 writes: "As I see it, those states that went for Trump in 2016 will do so again in 2020, and by bigger margins."

Exactly right! If you supported Trump in 2016 you're even MORE likely to vote for him in 2020! And I believe a LOT of Hillary voters will choose Trump over "Gropin' Joe" Biden - or whatever neo-socialist nobody represents the Democratic Party next year!

LincolnDuncan writes: "Trump being elected POTUS in 2020 would signal the end times for all of us"

Certainly the "end of times" for the new neo-socialist-progressives representing the modern Democratic Party, Lincoln! This exact same thing happened after the Dems got landslided in three consecutive presidential elections in the 1980's!

 

[YDB95]

In 2016, he was a political unknown and generally disliked, but most people will recognize he has done well in office and the majority will vote for him.

I'm sure that's true in the circles you run in, Box. But you're conveniently ignoring his consistently high disapproval ratings. Which doesn't mean he can't win, but the landslide you're suggesting is just ridiculously implausible.

YDB95 writes: "That's simply a reflection of the share the Democratic candidate got nationwide in each of those elections. In no way does that prove - or even indicate - that it will continue trending downward next time. And you know it."

What you're trying to say is that the Democratic Party itself has been steadily SHRINKING, which is TRUE - Mitt Romney received 984,084 MORE popular votes nationwide than John McCain, while Donald Trump received 2,050,727 MORE popular votes than did Mitt Romney! Meanwhile, 2012-Obama received a whopping 3,580,921 FEWER popular votes nationwide than did 2008-Obama, while Hillary in '16 got 64,855 FEWER popular votes than 2012-Obama!

All of which has nothing to do with what could happen next year.

"That doesn't make them Idaho, Dump."

No, Idaho (and over a dozen other states) have voted Republican now in the past ten consecutive presidential elections. Arizona & North Carolina have both gone Democrat ONCE in that same period, while Florida has voted Democrat a whopping THREE times in the past forty-years!

My point exactly. Thank you.

"And a Democratic governor means it'll be at least somewhat harder to suppress the black vote in Philadelphia, just for starters."

Actually, YDB95, the thing that "supressed the black vote in Philadelphia" was Hillary Clinton's name on the ballot.

Quite possibly. But guess what? She won't be on the ballot next time. Regrettably, you are correct (probably by accident) in such that her comments about "superpredators" back in the '90s hurt her among black voters. The Democratic nominee next time probably won't have that baggage.

"No, we can't. You're just claiming that certain fast-growing states are red or at least purple because that's what you want to believe."

I can't stop you from denying reality. There was a news story recently about the cost of a rental van from California to Texas being MUCH HIGHER than that of a rental van from Texas to California. There are a LOT MORE Californians re-locating in the Lone Star state than vice-versa!

Yes, and look what happened in Texas in 2018? The closest Senate race in decades, big gains for Dems in both houses of the legislature, two GOP congressmen lost, and five more won by 5% or less (and three of those have already announced their retirement next year - gee, I wonder why?)

In other words - exactly as I said - the red states that are growing, are also becoming less red.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I'm sure that's true in the circles you run in, Box. But you're conveniently ignoring his consistently high disapproval ratings. Which doesn't mean he can't win, but the landslide you're suggesting is just ridiculously implausible.

Where on this thread or anywhere else did I mention a landslide, except to say I do not anticipate one?

I expect many people to look at Trump's accomplishments and put aside their vague dislike of him. If an election were a popularity contest, Elvis Presley would have been elected.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "All of which has nothing to do with what could happen next year."

Yeah, YDB95 - I really don't think that you want to focus all that much on what's going to happen next year.

"My point exactly. Thank you."

We seemingly agree then! Florida, North Carolina, & Arizona are ALL Republican states that the Democrats only WISH they could turn blue!

"She won't be on the ballot next time."

No, she won't - Hillary Clinton, one of the GREATEST Democratic Party candidates ever, WON'T be on the ballot in 2020! President Obama said that Mrs. Clinton was more-prepared for the job than even himself! But she couldn't beat Trump, could she?

"The Democratic nominee next time probably won't have that baggage."

"Gropin' Joe" Biden, our hair-sniffing former vice-president, TRIED to run for president in 1988 and again in 2008, but was woefully unsuccessful both times (because he's a horrible candidate!) But, as you say, he probably won't win the nomination! I mean, how STUPID would the Democratic Party have to be?

"Yes, and look what happened in Texas in 2018?"

Yeah, I remember - "Beto" O'Rourke, the rising new star in the Democratic Party, was defeated in his U.S. Senate race by Ted Cruz. And he's now got 3% support among Democratic Party candidates running for president! He sounds almost like Senator Joe Biden in 1988 or 2008, doesn't he?

 

[dan_c00000]

I expect many people to look at Trump's accomplishments.

And what would those accomplishments be? Other than lower approval ratings than Obama, staff turnover, broken or stalled 45% of his campaign promises, had the longest government shutdown, murdered children (with your and bot's plus his various alts support), and committed treason.

Beyond that you got anything? The economy? Yeah, that's all because of Obama. I've been over this with bot's racist alt dawn.

 

[Dumpington]

dan_c00000 writes: "And what would those accomplishments be?"

Well, there's our nation's current economic boom (that even former President Obama is attempting to take credit for!) Then there's his ongoing efforts to secure our southern border, which Democrats oppose because they WANT our nation flooded with illegals. And then there's this president's serious effort to fix the unfair trading practices that other countries have inflicted upon us for several decades. And also, how about this president's additions to our U.S. Supreme Court? And hopefully, Dan, he'll be nominating somebody NEW before another year goes by!

Compare President Trump with President Obama... I remember Senator Obama accusing President Bush of being "unpatriotic" back in 2008, after Bush had added $4-trillion to our national debt! But then, eight-years later, President Obama had added an additional TEN-TRILLION-DOLLARS to that same debt, making his earlier accusation look somewhat hypocritical (to say the least!) On the positive side, President Obama DID destroy those once-huge Democratic Party majorities in the U.S. House & Senate, AND he & Michelle campaigned alongside Hillary Clinton in 2016 (helping her to LOSE!) And, of course, Obama also signed that presidential executive order allowing transgendered guys to use the girls' locker room, which will forever be his historical legacy!

 

[dan_c00000]

Well, there's our nation's current economic boom

I covered this with your racist alt dawn. I destroyed "her" so badly "she" stopped posting.

What else ya got?

How about the child murder? Any comments on that? The fact that hate crimes are way up? The fact that under Trump there have been more mass shootings than days in 2019?

Well racist? Maybe you ought to post this under your bot alt.

 

[Dumpington]

dan_c00000 writes: "I covered this with your racist alt dawn. I destroyed "her" so badly "she" stopped posting."

And that's supposed to matter to me because...?

"What else ya got?"

Are you better off today, Dan, than you were on January 20, 2017? Is our country better off today? Granted, our federal government is not giving out as many food stamps as was the case during the Obama administration years, but to most Americans that's actually a good thing!

"How about the child murder? Any comments on that?"

I agree with you 100%, Dan, that abortion is incredibly horrific and should NOT be encouraged by openly pro-abortion organizations like Planned Parenthood, which now seemingly controls the Democratic Party!

"The fact that hate crimes are way up? The fact that under Trump there have been more mass shootings than days in 2019?"

The mass shootings during the Obama administration were blamed on the N.R.A. or talk radio - NOBODY was blaming President "Rainbow Lights" as he wasn't the guy pulling the trigger. Today, the liberals blame President Trump. It seems to me it's either the president's fault or it's NOT. So, which is it, Dan?

"Well racist? Maybe you ought to post this under your bot alt."

You realize, of course, that if you dislike me because of the color of my skin, that makes YOU the racist, correct? I'm just suggesting that perhaps you should limit your future race-based posts here under your bot alt?

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "All of which has nothing to do with what could happen next year."

Yeah, YDB95 - I really don't think that you want to focus all that much on what's going to happen next year.

We'll see about that soon enough. But I rather suspect the whole world will be watching, and probably not for the reasons you'd like

"My point exactly. Thank you."

We seemingly agree then! Florida, North Carolina, & Arizona are ALL Republican states that the Democrats only WISH they could turn blue!

Cute, but not what I said and you know it. What I said is they're purple states, and the Republicans take them for granted at their peril. That they were red in the past is beside the point.

"She won't be on the ballot next time."

No, she won't - Hillary Clinton, one of the GREATEST Democratic Party candidates ever, WON'T be on the ballot in 2020! President Obama said that Mrs. Clinton was more-prepared for the job than even himself! But she couldn't beat Trump, could she?

Yes, Dumpington, we on the left underestimated how many unrepentant racists there still are out there. That literally can't happen again next time. But my point was the next nominee won't have 25+ years of baggage and an entire cottage industry dedicated to destroying hir.

"The Democratic nominee next time probably won't have that baggage."

"Gropin' Joe" Biden, our hair-sniffing former vice-president, TRIED to run for president in 1988 and again in 2008, but was woefully unsuccessful both times (because he's a horrible candidate!) But, as you say, he probably won't win the nomination! I mean, how STUPID would the Democratic Party have to be?

Indeed, and that is why I believe his lead will vanish once most people start paying attention. What you're seeing now is mostly name recognition.

"Yes, and look what happened in Texas in 2018?"

Yeah, I remember - "Beto" O'Rourke, the rising new star in the Democratic Party, was defeated in his U.S. Senate race by Ted Cruz. And he's now got 3% support among Democratic Party candidates running for president! He sounds almost like Senator Joe Biden in 1988 or 2008, doesn't he?

Then you don't remember what else happened in Texas in 2018. Can't imagine I'd want to either if I were you.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "But I rather suspect the whole world will be watching, and probably not for the reasons you'd like"

OF COURSE the whole world will be watching, just like they were watching on the night of November 8, 2016 - and that night was AWESOME, YDB95! And yes, the whole world was then watching & waiting for the Mueller investigation to conclude, with the finding of NO COLLUSION and NO OBSTRUCTION! And now, to COMPLETE the tri-fecta: November of 2020! And I'm GREATLY looking forward to it!

"What I said is they're purple states, and the Republicans take them for granted at their peril."

In 2016, Trump turned blue states red - I really don't see how turning purple states red will be all that surprising to anybody!

"But my point was the next nominee won't have 25+ years of baggage and an entire cottage industry dedicated to destroying her."

I disliked Mrs. Clinton as a presidential candidate - I really did - but she had a LOT more political smarts than does "Gropin' Joe" Biden (which is one of the reasons why he didn't bother challenging her in '16!) And Hillary was NOT a neo-socialist lefty like the rest of today's Democrat-pack!

"I believe his lead will vanish once most people start paying attention."

I once thought so, too - but it's NOT happening! Biden is the closest thing that today's Democratic Party has to a NORMAL candidate!

"Then you don't remember what else happened in Texas in 2018."

Yes, I do. In 2018, Cruz defeated Beto is the Texas U.S. Senate race. Texas has voted Republican in the last ten consecutive presidential elections. Trump will LANDSLIDE whatever Democrat emerges on top in 2020, ESPECIALLY in Texas!

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "But I rather suspect the whole world will be watching, and probably not for the reasons you'd like"

OF COURSE the whole world will be watching, just like they were watching on the night of November 8, 2016 - and that night was AWESOME, YDB95! And yes, the whole world was then watching & waiting for the Mueller investigation to conclude, with the finding of NO COLLUSION and NO OBSTRUCTION! And now, to COMPLETE the tri-fecta: November of 2020! And I'm GREATLY looking forward to it!

You do understand that saying again and again and again that Mueller found nothing wrong does not make it true, don't you?

Hmm...no, you probably don't understand that. But it doesn't. The truth is, he found that there was indeed evidence of collusion and meddling. As usual, you're just seeing what you want to see.

"What I said is they're purple states, and the Republicans take them for granted at their peril."

In 2016, Trump turned blue states red - I really don't see how turning purple states red will be all that surprising to anybody!

First of all, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are purple states. At best, he turned one blue state red - Michigan - and that was by a tiny margin. If I were you I wouldn't bet the farm on it happening again.
Secondly, as I've noted before, a lot of left-of-center voters were lukewarm at best on Clinton and either voted third party or didn't vote at all, because they thought she was a shoo-in. There is no way that will happen again next time, no matter who the Democratic nominee is. Especially not in PA, WI and MI. So Trump may well need to turn some really blue (not purple) states red to win again, and I can't think of any likely candidates.

"But my point was the next nominee won't have 25+ years of baggage and an entire cottage industry dedicated to destroying her."

I disliked Mrs. Clinton as a presidential candidate - I really did - but she had a LOT more political smarts than does "Gropin' Joe" Biden (which is one of the reasons why he didn't bother challenging her in '16!) And Hillary was NOT a neo-socialist lefty like the rest of today's Democrat-pack!

I don't know whether you're honestly unaware of this or just choosing not to see it because it doesn't fit your narrative, but the right spent 25 years calling her a wild-eyed socialist and worse. As I've noted elsewhere, that's what people like you ALWAYS do with Democrats. But especially Hillary Clinton.

"I believe his lead will vanish once most people start paying attention."

I once thought so, too - but it's NOT happening! Biden is the closest thing that today's Democratic Party has to a NORMAL candidate!

It's five months to the first caucuses, Dump. I said "once most people start paying attention". Political junkies like us are paying attention, but that's it.

"Then you don't remember what else happened in Texas in 2018."

Yes, I do. In 2018, Cruz defeated Beto is the Texas U.S. Senate race. Texas has voted Republican in the last ten consecutive presidential elections. Trump will LANDSLIDE whatever Democrat emerges on top in 2020, ESPECIALLY in Texas!

In other words, you either don't remember what else happened in Texas in 2018 (besides Cruz barely beating O'Rourke, that is), or you're ignoring it because it doesn't fit what you want to believe. Or both.

I'll say up front, I don't expect the Dems to win Texas in 2020 (although polls show it could happen). What I do expect is it'll be closer than usual, forcing the Republicans to spend more heavily than usual there - because let's face it, if lightning strikes and they do lose Texas, they're clean out of luck - which means fewer resources for the purple states, without which they've got no chance.

Now, here's what you've either been choosing not to see or simply haven't heard, because your sources wouldn't want to report it: Clinton made big inroads in some suburban counties in Texas in 2016, and in 2018 that trend continued. It cost the Republicans their supermajorities in both houses of the legislature, and it cost them two House seats and nearly cost them four others - in two of which the incumbents have already announced their retirement in 2020. Bottom line, the Republicans can no longer take Texas for granted.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "You do understand that saying again and again and again that Mueller found nothing wrong does not make it true, don't you?

Robert Mueller was HIGHLY RESPECTED before his long investigation of Trump got started. After it was over, he looked like a bit of a clueless buffoon! All of those Trump-haters who'd pinned their hopes on him were woefully disappointed! Mueller argued that he couldn't prove Trump GUILTY, but he couldn't prove him INNOCENT, either (in a court of law that's what's commonly known as an "acquittal"!)

"The truth is, he found that there was indeed evidence of collusion and meddling."

So... are you suggesting a NEW prosecutor be appointed for ANOTHER two-plus-year investigation, costing taxpayers an additional $40-million? For some strange reason, Nancy Pelosi doesn't seem to want that.

"At best, he turned one blue state red - Michigan - and that was by a tiny margin. If I were you I wouldn't bet the farm on it happening again."

And NOBODY predicted Michigan, did they? Just as NOBODY predicted Pennsylvania or Wisconsin! Instead, Democrats were all excited about Florida, North Carolina, & even Ohio! Rachel Maddow was convinced that Trump was going to lose Georgia, and possibly even Texas! You STILL don't seem to understand that Donald Trump is changing the ENTIRE DYNAMIC, much like Ronald Reagan did in the 1980's with the creation of the "Reagan Democrat!"

"...a lot of left-of-center voters were lukewarm at best on Clinton and either voted third party or didn't vote at all, because they thought she was a shoo-in."

A lot of Obama voters cast their votes for Donald Trump in 2016 - and it's going to get even WORSE for the Democratic Party in 2020, as this new breed of "Trump Democrats" help him win in states like Virginia, Nevada, Colorado, Minnesota, Maine, New Hampshire, New Mexico, and possibly Oregon! And after that happens you'll insist that they were all purple states anyway.

"I don't know whether you're honestly unaware of this or just choosing not to see it because it doesn't fit your narrative, but the right spent 25 years calling her a wild-eyed socialist and worse."

Yes, I always thought that the Clintons were garbage - but I ALSO always respected Hillary as an intelligent political opponent. That's NOT the case with Joe "Grope & Change" Biden! And while Hillary was as far-left as Barack, this new breed of Democratic Party neo-socialists running for president make Mrs. Clinton appear almost normal in comparison!

"I'll say up front, I don't expect the Dems to win Texas in 2020"

Absolutely not - you'd lose all your credibility if you made that suggestion! That would be like me predicting that Trump would win California.

"Clinton made big inroads in some suburban counties in Texas in 2016, and in 2018 that trend continued."

The last Democrat to win Texas was Jimmy Carter in 1976. The Republicans have since carried the Lone Star State in TEN consecutive presidential elections. The BEST HOPE that the Democrats ever had of winning Texas would involve flooding that state with illegals, giving those illegals millions of dollar's worth of taxpayer-funded entitlements, and then registering them all to vote and/or blocking all voter photo-ID laws (that's how the Dems got California!) But it WON'T WORK in Texas because the G.O.P. controls that state's government at every level! Beto got GREAT media coverage and he STILL couldn't defeat a Ted Cruz badly savaged by Trump just two years earlier!

 

[YDB95]

So... are you suggesting a NEW prosecutor be appointed for ANOTHER two-plus-year investigation, costing taxpayers an additional $40-million? For some strange reason, Nancy Pelosi doesn't seem to want that.

No need. We already know there was collusion.

"At best, he turned one blue state red - Michigan - and that was by a tiny margin. If I were you I wouldn't bet the farm on it happening again."

And NOBODY predicted Michigan, did they? Just as NOBODY predicted Pennsylvania or Wisconsin! Instead, Democrats were all excited about Florida, North Carolina, & even Ohio! Rachel Maddow was convinced that Trump was going to lose Georgia, and possibly even Texas!

You have said repeatedly in the past that you have never watched Rachel Maddow. So either you have no way of knowing she said anything like what you claim there, or you were lying when you said you'd never watched her? Which is it, Dump, dishonest or just talking out of your ass?

You STILL don't seem to understand that Donald Trump is changing the ENTIRE DYNAMIC, much like Ronald Reagan did in the 1980's with the creation of the "Reagan Democrat!"

There is no evidence of that whatsoever. And for all the times you've made such a claim, you have never once backed it up with anything except buckets of attitude.

"...a lot of left-of-center voters were lukewarm at best on Clinton and either voted third party or didn't vote at all, because they thought she was a shoo-in."

A lot of Obama voters cast their votes for Donald Trump in 2016

Not so. The media has certainly harped on that one, but there just isn't any evidence that it's true. What is in evidence is that too many Obama voters either voted Green or didn't vote at all in 2016. Now that everyone has seen the result of that, it is extremely unlikely to happen again.

- and it's going to get even WORSE for the Democratic Party in 2020, as this new breed of "Trump Democrats" help him win in states like Virginia, Nevada, Colorado, Minnesota, Maine, New Hampshire, New Mexico, and possibly Oregon! And after that happens you'll insist that they were all purple states anyway.

Several of those states ARE purple. But I doubt any of them are going to flip to Trump in 2020.

"I'll say up front, I don't expect the Dems to win Texas in 2020"

Absolutely not - you'd lose all your credibility if you made that suggestion! That would be like me predicting that Trump would win California.

I wouldn't go that far. It was 61-31 in California and 52-43 in Texas. But yes, I do expect the former to stay blue and the latter to stay red - for now.

(By the way, you DO know how California got so overwhelmingly blue in the first place, don't you? Come to think of it, you probably don't. It was a backlash against ex-Gov. Pete Wilson's extremely xenophobic 1994 reelection campaign. We may well be seeing the same in several other now-red or purple states in the near future.)

"Clinton made big inroads in some suburban counties in Texas in 2016, and in 2018 that trend continued."

The last Democrat to win Texas was Jimmy Carter in 1976, and a lot of bullshit about illegal voters.

Winning streaks like that are broken all the time. It's called demographic change. You ignore it at your own peril.

 

[dan_c00000]

Is our country better off today?

I've already provided plenty of evidence that it is not. Try again, racist.

 

[Dumpington]

https://quotefancy.com/media/wallpa...te-To-understand-the-workings-of-American.jpg - (Charles Krauthammer quote)

YDB95 writes: "No need. We already know there was collusion."

Yes, there was certainly a consideral amount of collusion between the Clinton campaign & Russia, but Robert Mueller chose not to investigate any of that.

"You have said repeatedly in the past that you have never watched Rachel Maddow."

Are you aware, YDB95, that you can watch ALL of 2016's election night coverage on MSNBC right now via YOU-TUBE? You can ALSO watch the entire election night slowly unfold on CBS, CNN, NBC, FOX, ABC, PBS, CBC, & even on YAHOO News! So yes, while I never tune into Rachel Maddow's show, I HAVE been able to watch her on election night (and it was SO AWESOME!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TTiDlK4vS8 - (2016 election night on ABC - runs 8-hours & 18-minutes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w31B49W03io - (2016 election night on CNN - runs 10-hours, 40-minutes, & 34-seconds)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL-gicgoCAY&t=31502s - (2016 election night on PBS - runs 9-hours, 10-minutes, & 41-seconds)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkb3oFIFAXc - (2016 election night on CANADIAN television - runs 11-hours & 55-minutes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGbXHbNiOcU - (2016 election night coverage on YAHOO News - runs 8-hours, 27-minutes, & 11-seconds)

I have enjoyed watching ALL of these election night shows, ESPECIALLY that moment in the evening when the realization hits each of them that Hillary's not going to win a landslide, and then they suddenly have to begin explaining Donald Trump is doing so much better than anybody expected! And it just keeps getting BETTER as the night progresses!

"There is no evidence of that whatsoever."

The evidence that Trump-Democrats exist was CLEARLY EVIDENT in states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, & Wisconsin. And yes, Reagan-Democrats ALSO existed. Reagan won Massachusetts TWICE, although I'm guessing that you'll now say that's only because Massachusetts is a purple state.

"What is in evidence is that too many Obama voters either voted Green or didn't vote at all in 2016."

Barack Obama turned a LOT of Democrats away from his own Democratic Party, and Mrs. Clinton only ACCELERATED that trend.

"But I doubt any of them are going to flip to Trump in 2020."

Might I remind you that in 2016 you said you doubted that Pennsylvania, Michigan, or Wisconsin would flip to Trump. YOU WERE WRONG then, and YOU'RE WRONG NOW now!

"I do expect the former to stay blue and the latter to stay red..."

Texas will be a REDDER state in 2020, while California will turn more PURPLE as the Democrats fracture into liberals & neo-socialists who hate eachother.

"It's called demographic change."

It's also called the emergence of the "Trump-Democrat!"

dan_c00000 writes: "I've already provided plenty of evidence that it is not. Try again, racist."

Thanks for proving my point, Dan!

 

[YDB95]

Are you aware, YDB95, that you can watch ALL of 2016's election night coverage on MSNBC right now via YOU-TUBE? You can ALSO watch the entire election night slowly unfold on CBS, CNN, NBC, FOX, ABC, PBS, CBC, & even on YAHOO News! So yes, while I never tune into Rachel Maddow's show, I HAVE been able to watch her on election night (and it was SO AWESOME!)

Wow. Only on a porn site would we meet a guy who masturbates over news coverage of an election.

"There is no evidence of that whatsoever."

The evidence that Trump-Democrats exist was CLEARLY EVIDENT in states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, & Wisconsin.

Erm, no, Dump, we've been over this before. Trump got FEWER votes in Wisconsin than Romney did when he lost it in 2012. Democrats there didn't flip to Trump; they voted Green or didn't vote at all. In Pennsylvania, Trump's margin was from high turnout in the heavily rural central part of the state. Those weren't Democrats flipping his way - there are hardly any Democrats in those parts of the state to begin with. You can look it up in any political atlas: the "T" of central PA has been rock-solid Republican since the Civil War.

And yes, Reagan-Democrats ALSO existed. Reagan won Massachusetts TWICE, although I'm guessing that you'll now say that's only because Massachusetts is a purple state.

No, I won't. Obama carried Indiana once, but it's still a red state. That happens now and then in a wave election. But 2016 was not a wave election and there's no sign so far that 2020 will be either.

And no one denies that Reagan Democrats existed. The point is, there is no evidence that there are any Trump Democrats to speak of.

"What is in evidence is that too many Obama voters either voted Green or didn't vote at all in 2016."

Barack Obama turned a LOT of Democrats away from his own Democratic Party, and Mrs. Clinton only ACCELERATED that trend.

Or it just continued because she ran a lackluster campaign, and because a lot of left-leaning voters were overconfident and didn't think she needed their votes. There is no way that's going to happen again, and you know it.

"But I doubt any of them are going to flip to Trump in 2020."

Might I remind you that in 2016 you said you doubted that Pennsylvania, Michigan, or Wisconsin would flip to Trump. YOU WERE WRONG then, and YOU'RE WRONG NOW now!

You have no way of knowing what I said in 2016, as you didn't know me then. But yes, I was wrong then. Your desperate wishes notwithstanding, that has absolutely no bearing on what will happen next time. (And I could remind you yet again that the Dems won just about everything that wasn't prohibitively red in MI and PA in 2018, and also knocked off Gov. Walker in WI.)

"I do expect the former to stay blue and the latter to stay red..."

Texas will be a REDDER state in 2020, while California will turn more PURPLE as the Democrats fracture into liberals & neo-socialists who hate eachother.

And your evidence for this is...

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Only on a porn site would we meet a guy who masturbates over news coverage of an election."

Seriously? You think that I masturbated while watching election night coverage? - that's totally weird, YDB95 - yes, I certainly enjoyed it, just as I enjoy watching the Superbowl every year! But no, I don't whack-off watching football games, either - DO YOU?

"Trump got FEWER votes in Wisconsin than Romney did when he lost it in 2012."

So what you're saying is that the Democratic Party completely COLLAPSED in Wisconsin by the end of Barack Obama's second term? Okay... I won't dispute that! I believe that Obama seriously damaged his party in several states!

"...central PA has been rock-solid Republican since the Civil War."

Yes, and as black voter support for the Democratic Party continues to melt away in the big cities (Philly & Pittsburgh), the rest of Pennsylvania will continue to grow increasingly Republican! This is a direct effect of the new breed of "Trump Democrats" deserting their party in the industrial midwest!

"...there is no evidence that there are any Trump Democrats to speak of."

I can readily understand you're not WANTING them to exist! As a liberal Democrat you WANT to believe that only a tiny group of racist white Republican straight men elected Trump, which is basically what the media said was going to happen on the eve of the 2016 presidential election! You REALLY need to watch some of those election-night-coverage links that I sent (the one's that you think I masturbated to, YDB95) - and observe how many commentators were happily predicting as the night began that an enormous wave of female & hispanic voters would sweep Mrs. Clinton into the White House! I STILL LOVE WATCHING IT!

"...she ran a lackluster campaign"

She allowed both Barack & Michelle to campaign with her - HUGE MISTAKE! And she also allowed all of those Hollywood celebrities to surround & permeate her campaign - another HUGE MISTAKE! And let's not forget her association with the corrupt Clinton presidency and the far-left anti-American sentiment taking over her own Democratic Party! Hillary should have immediately REJECTED the neo-socialists represented by the Bernie Sanders wing of her party, but she refused to do so - AND SHE LOST!

"But yes, I was wrong then. Your desperate wishes notwithstanding, that has absolutely no bearing on what will happen next time."

I understand that you WANT to believe that President Trump will lose in 2020 - I'm simply trying to tell you that that's NOT what's going to happen! But you'll find out soon enough that I'm right... AGAIN!

 

[dan_c00000]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkb3oFIFAXc - (2016 election night on CANADIAN television - runs 11-hours & 55-minutes)

There's zero percent chance you watched eleven plus hours of Canadian TV.

 

[Dumpington]

dan_c00000 writes: "There's zero percent chance you watched eleven plus hours of Canadian TV."

Not on election night, I didn't.

But thanks to the miracle of YOU-TUBE, Dan, we can re-watch anything we want to, including Canadian coverage of the 2016 U.S. presidential election! And if the broadcasters & commentators showed their clear bias on that night, we can re-experience it CLEARLY today!

I especially enjoy watching the unapologetic-Trump-haters confidently predicting that a huge hispanic & female turn-out will create an enormous wave of support for Mrs. Clinton! But that glee quickly turns sour at about an hour into their coverage. With certain news networks the unhappiness is more evident than with others. One of my FAVORITE anti-Trump election night shows was on the TYT web-site: also known as "the Young Turks!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAx2D-viEv8 - (2016 Election Night: TYT "Young Turks" part one - runs 1-hours, 58-minutes, & 46-seconds)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04K-waph7L0 - (2016 Election Night: TYT "Young Turks" part two - runs 1-hours, 55-minutes, & 27-seconds)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q-MFjTC5G0&t=44s - (2016 Election Night: TYT "Young Turks" part three - runs 2-hours, 2-minutes, & 44-seconds)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9P_NQrjChY - (2016 Election Night: TYT "Young Turks" part four - runs 2-hours, 16-minutes, & 05-seconds)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS93jUG3-GQ - (2016 Election Night: TYT "Young Turks" part five - runs 2-hours, 19-minutes, & 47-seconds)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqJwYToAD3k - (2016 Election Night: TYT "Young Turks" part six - runs 1-hours, 45-minutes, & 2-seconds)

My advice is to go directly to part SIX and watch their coverage after the despair and anger have set in, as the realization of Donald Trump's victory has become inevitable! It's fun to watch if you've never seen it!

 

[YDB95]

YDB95 writes: "Only on a porn site would we meet a guy who masturbates over news coverage of an election."

Seriously? You think that I masturbated while watching election night coverage? - that's totally weird, YDB95 - yes, I certainly enjoyed it, just as I enjoy watching the Superbowl every year! But no, I don't whack-off watching football games, either - DO YOU?

It was a joke, Dump. And I don't like football. Mind you, I can see why some people would masturbate to those hulking guys in their tight, sleek uniforms. No shame in that.

"Trump got FEWER votes in Wisconsin than Romney did when he lost it in 2012."

So what you're saying is that the Democratic Party completely COLLAPSED in Wisconsin by the end of Barack Obama's second term? Okay... I won't dispute that!

No, I'm saying Clinton didn't contest the state as hard as she should have. If Obama had been able to run for a third time, I think he'd have won WI handily.

I believe that Obama seriously damaged his party in several states!

And yet he remains a lot more popular than Trump...

"...central PA has been rock-solid Republican since the Civil War."

Yes, and as black voter support for the Democratic Party continues to melt away in the big cities (Philly & Pittsburgh), the rest of Pennsylvania will continue to grow increasingly Republican! This is a direct effect of the new breed of "Trump Democrats" deserting their party in the industrial midwest!

That's the exact opposite of what's been happening in PA for about twenty years now. The suburban counties around Philadelphia were prohibitively Republican from World War I into the '90s; now they're blue. And sluggish black support for Clinton does not in any way mean they're deserting the Democrats overall. Especially not in favour of Trump.

"...there is no evidence that there are any Trump Democrats to speak of."

I can readily understand you're not WANTING them to exist! As a liberal Democrat you WANT to believe that only a tiny group of racist white Republican straight men elected Trump, which is basically what the media said was going to happen on the eve of the 2016 presidential election! You REALLY need to watch some of those election-night-coverage links that I sent (the one's that you think I masturbated to, YDB95) - and observe how many commentators were happily predicting as the night began that an enormous wave of female & hispanic voters would sweep Mrs. Clinton into the White House! I STILL LOVE WATCHING IT!

I guess I would too if I were you. And yes, the Dems made some serious tactical errors with respect to expecting women to pull the lever for one of their own. But all that aside, there is no evidence of any great wave of "Trump Democrats". There just isn't. And I'll note without surprise that you haven't even bothered plagiarising anyone else's work to make the case here.

"But yes, I was wrong then. Your desperate wishes notwithstanding, that has absolutely no bearing on what will happen next time."

I understand that you WANT to believe that President Trump will lose in 2020 - I'm simply trying to tell you that that's NOT what's going to happen! But you'll find out soon enough that I'm right... AGAIN!

We'll see about that. But as even you have acknowledged when it suited your needs: different campaigns, different circumstances. The conditions of 2016 cannot be reproduced under any circumstances.

 

[dan_c00000]

Not on election night, I didn't.

Caught in another lie.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "It was a joke, Dump. And I don't like football."

I LOVE football, YDB95 - and I'm overjoyed that a new season is about to begin!

"If Obama had been able to run for a third time, I think he'd have won WI handily."

I don't think so. Have you noticed how even 2020 Democratic Party presidential candidates are taking pot-shots at Obama now that he's no longer in office? Granted, they're trying to attack Joe Biden, but some of the comments in those recent debates have been BRUTAL to Barack!

"And yet he remains a lot more popular than Trump..."

Yes, those very same polls that guaranteed a Hillary Clinton victory in 2016 are now insisting that Obama is more popular than Trump!

"And sluggish black support for Clinton does not in any way mean they're deserting the Democrats overall.

I disagree. Trump is delivering for black Americans in a way that President Obama never did, and the Democrats reply by calling him a racist?

"And yes, the Dems made some serious tactical errors with respect to expecting women to pull the lever for one of their own."

Today's Democrats are compounding the tactical & strategic errors that they made in 2016 - next year's election is going to be MUCH WORSE for their party!

"The conditions of 2016 cannot be reproduced under any circumstances."

Ther Democrats learned all of the WRONG LESSONS in their surprising 2016 defeat - they're moving sharply to the LEFT, and that's a huge mistake!

dan_c00000 adds: "Caught in another lie."

No, Dan - You-Tube is a REAL THING - I'm NOT making that up!

 

[YDB95]

I don't think so. Have you noticed how even 2020 Democratic Party presidential candidates are taking pot-shots at Obama now that he's no longer in office? Granted, they're trying to attack Joe Biden, but some of the comments in those recent debates have been BRUTAL to Barack!

While that says a lot about a bad habit Democrats have in general, it doesn't have anything to do with Obama's popularity among the general public.

"And yet he remains a lot more popular than Trump..."

Yes, those very same polls that guaranteed a Hillary Clinton victory in 2016 are now insisting that Obama is more popular than Trump!

There's a reason why you can only point to one incidence in modern history of the polls being wrong, Dump.

"And sluggish black support for Clinton does not in any way mean they're deserting the Democrats overall.

I disagree. Trump is delivering for black Americans in a way that President Obama never did, and the Democrats reply by calling him a racist?

I don't suppose you've actually heard such a thing from any of your black friends (doesn't count if they already were Republicans - they'd be outliers). I have not. My black friends admire Obama greatly, with few exceptions, and they find Trump just as disgusting as I do.

Today's Democrats are compounding the tactical & strategic errors that they made in 2016 - next year's election is going to be MUCH WORSE for their party!

If it were up to you, no doubt!

"The conditions of 2016 cannot be reproduced under any circumstances."

Ther Democrats learned all of the WRONG LESSONS in their surprising 2016 defeat - they're moving sharply to the LEFT, and that's a huge mistake!

You would say that no matter what they did.

 

[jp55665566]

Joe Biden - "I think the only reason Clarence Thomas is on the (Supreme) Court is because he's Black".

Former Vice President Joe Biden claimed that “poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids,” while addressing the Asian and Latino Coalition in Des Moines, Iowa, on Thursday.

good luck, Joe.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "While that says a lot about a bad habit Democrats have in general, it doesn't have anything to do with Obama's popularity among the general public."

So HOW EXACTLY has Barack Obama's popularity helped Democrats?

I remember back in 2009, when our very popular President Obama flew Air Force One up to Massachusetts to campaign for the Democrat candidate trying to win Ted Kennedy's vacated U.S. Senate seat! And the Democrat LOST - in ultra-liberal Massachusetts! And then there was Barack & Michelle campaigning alongside Mrs. Clinton in 2016 - I remember one network correspondent calling the immensely popular First Lady "Hillary's Secret Weapon," except that Trump WON in those very states that Michelle & Barack travelled to (e.g. Florida, North Carolina, & Pennsylvania!) And then, in 2018, former President Obama campaigned for Democrat gubernatorial & senate candidates in Florida & Georgia - WHO ALL LOST! Seriously, HOW has Obama's "immense popularity" ever helped his party?

"My black friends admire Obama greatly"

I don't know your black friends. You could be making the whole thing up. I believe that you're an honest person, YDB95, but you are hardly an arbiter of the black race. Many black Americans are currently LEAVING the Democratic Party because it's done nothing but make them dependent on government hand-outs while they've lived in violent, high-crime, rat-&-rodent-infested poverty these past fifty-plus years!