Opposition to "buyback" programs is what invalidates what the NRA has become

[Lord_Nibiru]

I do not know the details here but there are someissues here as to thr definition of violent crime. Apparently the British definition is much broader so a lot of crimes in this category appear in British stats that woukld not appear in US numbers.

Possibly true yeah, although I should say it was the EU's stats and also mention that our government (and past ones) certainly manipulate stats to suit a particular agenda at any time.

People don't seem to feel safer now than in the past, quite the opposite and I would certainly feel safer knowing police only used weapons (guns and others) only as an absolute last resort. Sadly I've seen on many occasions that this is simply not happening and I can only assume it is their training. In my view it is not wise to disarm the public and arm the authorities at the same time.

I'd rather have neither armed personally and concentrate purely of deflective safety items to fight criminals - e.g. no criminal's gun can be a threat to a copper who is protected from head to toe so all that money pumped into developing/buying weapons should go to PPE, IMHO.

 

[ChinaBandit]

I don't think it's the end of the GOP, just the end of a number of the ideas and policies they believe in.

Most people believe in evolution. American political history and thought is an excellent example.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Hey, KO, what is it that invalidates the NAAC...



Whoops! Who says 'colored' anymore? outside of maybe Rick Perry?


... the N4AP?

 

[mercury14]

Most people believe in evolution. American political history and thought is an excellent example.

According to your beloved Gallup, only 30% of Republicans believe in evolution.

Idiots.

 

[Sean]

According to your beloved Gallup, only 30% of Republicans believe in evolution.

Idiots.

Now that is just out and out terrifying.

 

[richard_daily]

You dumb fuck. I am a US ex-pat.

Supposedly living in a country that is under authoritarian, totalitarian rule.

And also who has trouble writing english most of the time...

Make up your mind about what your angle is, limp dick.

 

[julybaby04]

I don't think it's the end of the GOP, just the end of a number of the ideas and policies they believe in.

...just curious....

What ideas and policies do you think are coming to an end?

 

[sethp]

China bandit, is a dumbass...getting all worked up over a gun buy back program, while living in a communist country? Lol.

Take minute to think about this. It's not restricting anyone's right to own a gun, it's not propaganda, it's a simple program that police departments have been ding forever. Now think about the kinds of mentally unstable people that would get angry about this!

Nothing wrong with living in China either, but you would think that someone living there would know the difference between communism, socialism, democracy etc. mind blowing stupidity.

Lastly, how do you get on a porn, and free speech site from China? Interesting.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Tormented space cadets are usually manufactured by the courts at community mental health centers under the supervision of nutty perfessers.

. . . Cite?

 

[KingOrfeo]

If gun ownership was banned you think less people would be killed by firearms?

I don't.

You would have a monopoly doing the killing.

Which corporation would that be?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Most people believe in evolution. American political history and thought is an excellent example.

You are confusing two different meanings of "evolution." Political evolution != biological.

 

[KingOrfeo]

In the UK guns are banned and gun crime is lower.....but violent crime is sky high (EU Commission called us the crime capital of europe) and I understand proportionately higher than in the US. Is it a direct correlation? I really don't know.

I've encountered that argument before; it derives from confusion in comparing statistics from different countries. The UK simply defines "violent crime" far more broadly than do American authorities -- correct for that and we have more violent crime in the U.S. proportionally, gun- and non-gun alike.

What I do know is that governments/civil enforcement authorities promote the idea that guns on streets are dangerous, but massively increase their own armed protection. Sorry but they're not (or shouldn't be) above the law.

You mean, government wants a monopoly on violence. So? Government is supposed to have a monopoly on violence, that's rather the point of it. Without that, you get Somalia. Your objection is like saying police cars should never be allowed to break the speed limit.

 

[KingOrfeo]

What goes around comes around Merc.

I would be very hesitant to join the amen choir and their chorale of death for the GOP. Like life itself, things change in an instant.

The GOP is not about to die. But it is becoming the "moon party" to the Dems' "sun party." As Sam Tanenhaus, author of The Death of Conservatism, said in a Newsweek interview in 2009:

Meacham: So how bad is it, really? Your title doesn't quite declare conservatism dead.
Tanenhaus: Quite bad if you prize a mature, responsible conservatism that honors America's institutions, both governmental and societal. The first great 20th-century Republican president, Theodore Roosevelt, supported a strong central government that emphasized the shared values and ideals of the nation's millions of citizens. He denounced the harm done by "the trusts"—big corporations. He made it his mission to conserve vast tracts of wilderness and forest. The last successful one, Ronald Reagan, liked to remind people (especially the press) he was a lifelong New Dealer who voted four times for Franklin D. Roosevelt. The consensus forged by Buckley in the 1960s gained strength through two decisive acts: first, Buckley denounced right-wing extremists, such as the members of the John Birch Society, and made sure when he did it to secure the support of conservative Republicans like Reagan, Barry Goldwater, and Sen. John Tower. This pulled the movement toward the center. Second: Buckley saw that the civil disturbances of the late 1960s (in particular urban riots and increasingly militant anti-Vietnam protests) posed a challenge to social harmonies preferred by genuine conservatives and genuine liberals alike. When the Democrat Daniel Patrick Moynihan called on liberals to join with conservatives in upholding "the politics of stability," Buckley replied that he was ready to help. He placed the values of "civil society" (in Burke's term) above those of his own movement or the GOP.

Today we see very little evidence of this. In his classic The Future of American Politics (1952), the political journalist Samuel Lubell said that our two-party system in fact consists of periods of alternating one-party rule—there is a majority "sun" party and a minority "moon" party. "It is within the majority party that the issues of any particular period are fought out," Lubell wrote. Thus, in the 1980s, Republicans grasped (and Democrats did not) that new entrepreneurial energies had been unleashed, and also that the Cold War could be brought to a conclusion through strong foreign policy. This was the Republicans' "sun" period. The reverse is happening today. The Democrats now dominate our heliocentric system—first on the economic stimulus, which is already proving to be at least a limited success, and now on the issue of health-care reform. These are both entirely Democratic initiatives. The Republicans, so intent on thwarting Obama, have vacated the field, and left it up to the sun party to accept the full burden of legislating us into the future. If the Democrats succeed, Republicans will be tagged as the party that declined even to help repair a broken system and extend fundamental protections—logical extensions of Social Security and Medicare—to some 46 million people who now don't have them. This could marginalize the right for a generation, if not longer. Rush Limbaugh's stated hope that Obama will fail seems to have become GOP doctrine. This is the attitude not of conservatives, but of radicals, who deplore the very possibility of a virtuous government.

Is there an analogous historical moment? Conservatives argue that this is 1965 and that a renaissance is at hand.
I disagree. Today, conservatives seem in a position closer to the one they occupied during the New Deal. The epithets so many on the right now hurl at Obama—"socialist," "fascist"—precisely echo the accusations Herbert Hoover and "Old Right" made against FDR in 1936. And the spectacle of citizens appearing at town-hall meetings with guns recalls nothing so much as the vigilante Minutemen whom Buckley evicted from the conservative movement in the 1960s. A serious conservative like David Frum knows this, and has spoken up. It is remarkable how few others have. The moon party is being yanked ever farther onto its marginal orbit.

There seemed reason to doubt this judgment after the Tea Party backlash in 2010, but the 2012 election reaffirms it: After the hardest-fought, most expensive election ever, Obama remains president, the Democrats still control the Senate, the Republicans still control the House -- nothing changed; and the Tea Party appears to have lost whatever relevance it once had. Apparently the people want the Dems as the sun party and the Pubs as the moon party. That does not make the Pubs irrelevant -- they were relevant throughout the Roosevelt and Truman years, weren't they?

 

[Lord_Nibiru]

You mean, government wants a monopoly on violence. So? Government is supposed to have a monopoly on violence, that's rather the point of it. Without that, you get Somalia. Your objection is like saying police cars should never be allowed to break the speed limit.

Err no, it really isn't. Next.

 

[koalabear]

I like how they oppose the gun show loophole that like 80% or more of their own members favor closing.

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Link, MORON.

 

[koalabear]

We already have that though pretty much. Armed citizens never seem to stop these mass shootings....

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and gun buy backs have.

 

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[koalabear]

That alleged poll Merc is citing is fucking bullshit. Libs hate your freedom to do with your property what you damn well please.

MORON is quite intelligent. He just can't figure out why a citizen hasn't stopped a shooting in a gun free zone.

 

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[Sean]

The evolution of the NRA is driven by one fact. Liberal Gun Control is directed at the law abiding citizen, not the criminal element. It has come to understand that gun control is an effort to disarm the American people in general. A fact that liberals just won't admit it.

The 9000 plus federal gun control regulations have been studied and the effects understood. Many aren't even enforced, or are used as bargaining chips by prosecutors attempting larger prosecutions.

What is enforced has no real effect on crime and only work to inconvenience the law abiding public. That is the goal, to make it difficult for the law abiding citizen to purchase guns the government wants to ban.

The government knows that common sense actions against the criminal element in the United States is politically untenable in the Democrat base, so they've decided that action against all guns, even those in the hands of the law abiding, is the safer route to Utopia.

The NRA has come to know the real intent of liberals is the destruction of the Second Amendment and the Constitution in general and has dug in its heels in it's defense. They've drawn a line in the sand.

Liberals represent a corrosive threat to our constitutional republic. They have attacked the rights and privileges of the civil society from the beginning of the nation. They have corroded our liberty, our property rights, our rights to self defense. They have insinuated themselves into every aspect of American life. There's no aspect of our freedom they haven't sought to regulate, undermine, control, or diminish. Gun control is an essential condition that must exist in the brave new world they envision for their Utopia. We have a choice, we can be free people in defense of ourselves and our posterity, or we can be subjects of an oppressive state and all that entails.

FFS. The NRA has been bought outright by arms manufacturers and they're using it, and dupes like you, to sell their fucking products for them.

 

[LadyVer]

You've become a barking moon bat, Lady. The above is the most preposterous pile of steaming horse shit I've seen you post so far.

Now, Vette, we both enjoy exercising our First Amendment on the gb. Because I disagree with you, I'm the the one who is a "barking moon bat". Interesting spin as usual.

 

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[Adre]

Fortunately, 311,000,000 Americans have freely chosen to not belong to an organization run by the stark raving mad lunafuckingtic Wayne La Douche.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Liberals represent a corrosive threat to our constitutional republic. They have attacked the rights and privileges of the civil society from the beginning of the nation.

So, which 18th-Century party corresponds to today's "liberals" -- the Federalists, or the Democratic-Republicans? Whichever answer you give will be wrong.