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Thank you Lord Steve
What about how you relate this to other aspects of your 'you ness'? Are you generally courteous in other aspects of life? Do you, for example, earn your income, or feel entitled to take it with out consent? Can you think of an aspect of life where consent is not applicable?
I am in in a head spiral and need to find a way out of my own thought experiment, but I am trying so hard not to lead a conversation to argue for or against either side of my own head argument!
Consent is a tool to control the consequences of your actions. Not more. Not less.
Thank you. Your political views seen and appreciated by me as part of your 'essence' . I really, sincerely appreciate your answers. you sound really interesting, I'm even more keen you should stick around ( and hope we can put political differences aside, I love to have friends of different strong beliefs, so I hope you don't mind that mine are different )
Can I ask one more based on them?
Why for you is Internet conversation different to other interaction you have?
maybe it is... [gasping, genuine shock] you who is the tool???
thx for checking in with your anti-zen dom-logic though
It kinda makes sense though. Don't want to abuse your partner? Don't want to go to jail for assault? Get clear consent first. I mean we don't get consent first because it's ordained by God, or for some kind of spiritual awakening, or to evoke something. We do it so we have a desired result, or desired consequences. An enthusiastic willing partner is a consequence of getting consent.
would you rephrase this or explain or expand it for me please?
May I ask further.....your point about arranged marriage, is it your experience or supposition that love and arranged marriage are mutually exclusive? In these circumstances would consent be more or less important? Or equally so?
to you consent is a societal issue. To be acceptable in societal norms, not those of any relationship? Is that right?
Like the others, may I ask if you apply this thought to other aspects of your life?
Is there a choice? This is closely rated to the concept of free will, which I'm basically required to refute as a dominant.
i am extremely polite (except on the internet) especially when i'm in a situation that involves a power dynamic. for example, i go out of my way to treat waiters and other service people well because i know that their financial future hangs in the balance.
i "earn" my income, i guess. i'll spare yall a lecture on how Communism Will Win etc but i am engaged in a consensual and reciprocal relationship with my employer. when i write for money, i do so knowing that i am offering a service, the value of which has been agreed upon by my client.
consent is the sine qua non of human fulfillment, in my experience.
since this is a bdsm forum, i will add that the deliberate and vocal surrender of control from sub to dom is more intimate and profound than any actual violence.
I like this. I feel very similarly in regards to power exchange and power dynamics.
Consent is what separates what we do from the actual oppression that so many face, and I believe that through consent you're turning the oppression that is intrinsic in our power structures on it's ear and subverting it, whether you're a top/bottom/sub/dom/me. As long as you have the cultural and political awareness to go along with your kink, I think it can be a subversive act for sure, at least in it's ideal form.