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Old 04-03-2000, 05:46 AM   #1
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I was wondering if It reading and writing about underage incest fantays..especially about younger girls....is as disgusting as I sometimes feel it is. I do NOT condone Kiddy porn NOR sexual abuse in any way of minors, but it is still a fantasy of mine....but not that I wan't to be WITH the girl, but that I wan't to BE the girl....so would writing fantays like that make me a bad person?
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Old 04-03-2000, 08:03 AM   #2
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Sometimes it's the most taboo fantasies that turn us on the most.

But, I think there are some fantasies (especially underage sex - whether you are the girl or not), that should not be revealed. Certainly not in the context of erotic fiction. I think we're in danger of normalising such things if we go down that path.

I'm not being a prude because I'm very against censorship in most respects.

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Old 04-03-2000, 08:50 AM   #3
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Incestfantasy,

Please be careful. You're heading down a long dark road with no end in sight. And it might be very hard to find your way back.

Sex with a consenting adult; someone who is fully cogent of what's going on can be much more satisfying.

If you need to go family, think family that're old enough to truly reciprocate your feelings.
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Old 04-04-2000, 01:57 AM   #4
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Old 04-18-2000, 12:07 PM   #5
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Personally, I think that there are 18-year-olds who are not capable of
making sexual decisions--just as there are 16-year-olds who are perfectly
capable of making responsible decisions about sex. Many of the arguments
against legalized prostitution seem to stem from the fact that some people
think that even a young woman or man of legal age is not capable of
making appropriate decisions when it comes to sex.

Still, you have to draw the line somewhere. The legal age of consent may
be little archaic, considering that some kids are having sex as early as
twelve years old, but its the age that everybody can agree to.
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Old 04-18-2000, 01:13 PM   #6
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Thinking is not a crime. You may think about anything you like, and that includes setting your thoughts down on paper. That's the legal view.

Whether or not you're a "bad person" is purely subjective. You sound fine to me, though many pedophiles start with "thinking" and end up "doing", so check yourself there, ask yourself some questions, and then decide if you're "bad".

For most people, though, it is more about the taboo than the actual act (much like how most people view rape fantasies, it's the hurdles involved that are a turn on, rather than the act of violence, which is what a rape actually is.)
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I was wondering if It reading and writing about underage incest fantays..especially about younger girls....is as disgusting as I sometimes feel it is. I do NOT condone Kiddy porn NOR sexual abuse in any way of minors, but it is still a fantasy of mine....but not that I wan't to be WITH the girl, but that I wan't to BE the girl....so would writing fantays like that make me a bad person?
It is hard for me to believe that thinking is a crime, I certainly hope you WILL explore these fantasies for us in print. I would love to have a womans perspective on what it would be like to have sex at say 15 with your father..... I suspect the emotions and feelings would be far more erotic than anything I can imagine. Sex for the first time for a little girl has to be painful, but emotionally rewarding at the same time. I hope you will explore this! I know I would love to read it.
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just don't expect to be able to post it here.

This site has very clear rules about underage sex; NONE. Your story will not post.

Rifraff,
A woman's perspective on underage father-daughter incest? Vomit in your face.

Painful sex, especially initiated by a father, would never be "emotionally fulfilling" for a young girl. I'm positive the emotions and sensations would be far less erotic than you could possibly imagine.
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Old 12-17-2007, 06:19 PM   #9
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just don't expect to be able to post it here.

This site has very clear rules about underage sex; NONE. Your story will not post.

Rifraff,
A woman's perspective on underage father-daughter incest? Vomit in your face.

Painful sex, especially initiated by a father, would never be "emotionally fulfilling" for a young girl. I'm positive the emotions and sensations would be far less erotic than you could possibly imagine.

But the FANTASY of such a thing - NOT the reality, the FANTASY... is a turn on for some. Of both genders. As DCL mentioned (god this is an OLD thread, isn't it??) thinking is not a crime.

Unless I slipped into Big Brother territory when I wasn't looking...
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Old 12-17-2007, 06:30 PM   #10
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But the FANTASY of such a thing - NOT the reality, the FANTASY... is a turn on for some. Of both genders. As DCL mentioned (god this is an OLD thread, isn't it??) thinking is not a crime.

Unless I slipped into Big Brother territory when I wasn't looking...
I didn't see the original post date... Rifraff dredged up one from the pre-Cambrian period! I wondered were these new names were coming from-- they are old names instead!

The FANTASY--- you betcha. Keep, and enjoy, your fantasy, Rifraff! In any way you please. It isn't one that I share, but that's certainly not your problem!
But the difference between the fantasy and (as I understood your question) potential in reality-- there's a chasm between them...

Anyway, selenakytten is far more able to speak to this than I-- I'll just stare at her boots and salivate
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Old 12-17-2007, 07:52 PM   #11
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I didn't see the original post date... Rifraff dredged up one from the pre-Cambrian period! I wondered were these new names were coming from-- they are old names instead!
This newbie did too.
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I'm kind of wondering what the motivation is for dredging up such an old thread. Especially one that doesn't seem that interesting.
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Old 12-17-2007, 08:58 PM   #13
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Personally, I think that there are 18-year-olds who are not capable of
making sexual decisions--just as there are 16-year-olds who are perfectly
capable of making responsible decisions about sex. Many of the arguments
against legalized prostitution seem to stem from the fact that some people
think that even a young woman or man of legal age is not capable of
making appropriate decisions when it comes to sex.

Still, you have to draw the line somewhere. The legal age of consent may
be little archaic, considering that some kids are having sex as early as
twelve years old, but its the age that everybody can agree to.
Actually, they don't. The age of consent is whatever the specific legislature says it is. In CA, it's 18, but in some states, it's 16 or maybe younger. There should be some kind of law, but 18 seems rather high. Still, it's better to set it too high than too low.
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Old 12-17-2007, 09:02 PM   #14
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Well everything is interesting to someone, just certain ones are only interesting to a small few.

So funny thing, I new Dixon was old, but I had no idea that old. I don't usually peak at the side and see join dates and such.

Rifraff, as has been said, being forced to have sex for the first time with your own father is not common and leads to a woman having serious problems. I did not sleep with my father, don't have any desire to either, though I was somewhat forced into having sex my first time. Look at what I have done, I have slept around on many of my boyfriends, I slept with men I met in a bar, in the bar or behind it many times and I am rather fixated on sex.

Far as I know that is one of the signs of a young abuse victim, either they turn into a nymphomaniac, I'm close mind you, or they turn away from sex almost totally, regardless of their sexual desires they do not want to have sex.

If my dad forced me into having sex with him for my first time, you know what I would be doing now? Not having sex, it's not erotic, it's not anything but oh my god get off me. The emotions are not erotic, they are horror.

Now I'm going to give you a little bugger, wanting to be a woman taken by her father is something a submissive would want. Not by a father mind, but the simple fact of being taken sounds really good to a submissive. The fact you want to be the daughter says you want to be taken fully under the control of someone, used for their pleasure and not yours. Why? Because being taken by your father is really not erotic and not pleasurable, it is simply a matter of laying there and being used.
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Still, it's better to set it too high than too low.
That way, you get to throw more people in jail.
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Actually, they don't. The age of consent is whatever the specific legislature says it is. In CA, it's 18, but in some states, it's 16 or maybe younger. There should be some kind of law, but 18 seems rather high. Still, it's better to set it too high than too low.
Not sure I agree with that, Box. Just because an age limit is set, doesn't mean it is mandatory. (In my part of the globe the legal age of consent is 16.)
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I'm kind of wondering what the motivation is for dredging up such an old thread. Especially one that doesn't seem that interesting.
Actually, I would have thought as porn authors, this is exactly the kind of topic which would be interesting.... Despite participating in it myself, I have always thought debating politics, economics, the environment, etc.. as is routinely done here, while being interesting, is hardly appropriate for this audience....

On the contrary, I would have expected that the subjects to be discussed and/or debated would center on what brought us here... (well, me, anyway) which is to say.......... sex

I really don't care whether riffraff has fantasies about incestual sex or not... and there are any number of sexual proclivities I do not share...

ON the other hand, I would think subjects such as sexual politics...... censorship, age of consent, gay marriage, etc... would seem to be of vital interest to folks here...


But it is easy to talk about economics.... and perhaps, just perhaps..... despite our writing this stuff in stories, actually discussing these other topics may be too personal and expose too much of ourselves even given the anonymity of this place....

Just a thought...

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Actually, I would have thought as porn authors, this is exactly the kind of topic which would be interesting.... Despite participating in it myself, I have always thought debating politics, economics, the environment, etc.. as is routinely done here, while being interesting, is hardly appropriate for this audience....

On the contrary, I would have expected that the subjects to be discussed and/or debated would center on what brought us here... (well, me, anyway) which is to say.......... sex

I really don't care whether riffraff has fantasies about incestual sex or not... and there are any number of sexual proclivities I do not share...

ON the other hand, I would think subjects such as sexual politics...... censorship, age of consent, gay marriage, etc... would seem to be of vital interest to folks here...


But it is easy to talk about economics.... and perhaps, just perhaps..... despite our writing this stuff in stories, actually discussing these other topics may be too personal and expose too much of ourselves even given the anonymity of this place....

Just a thought...

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And read, for instance, emap's post, it will reassure you that many of us are not afraid to expose these sides of ourselves...

The thought, or fantasy, of a real 15-year-old being deflowered by her actual father sickens me. It has no part in my fantasy life. I have other submissive fantasies, however-- and if an adult wants to fantasise that they themselves are a 15 year old being deflowered by a fantasy father-- go for it, I say!
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It is hard for me to believe that thinking is a crime, I certainly hope you WILL explore these fantasies for us in print. I would love to have a womans perspective on what it would be like to have sex at say 15 with your father..... I suspect the emotions and feelings would be far more erotic than anything I can imagine. Sex for the first time for a little girl has to be painful, but emotionally rewarding at the same time. I hope you will explore this! I know I would love to read it.
Its thoughts like these that make people want to do things to people that are underage. I'm not for censorship either, but you guys are about to cross the line not because you yourself have the fantasy of being the little girl, but you are adding logs to the fire of others who want to fuck real little girls.

Another idea would be a story of you roleplaying somebody underage, but both you and your partner character are both over the age of legal consent, consummating something you both want.
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Let's say the age of consent, throughout the entire US, was lowered to 16. You can bet your ass that there would be a flood of Incest and First Time stories starring 16-year-old girls and boys. And I'd be willing to bet there would be some sneaky authors out there who would allude to sex occuring a year or two earlier.

I revealed on another thread that when I was 25, I dated a girl whom I met in a bar who turned out to be sixteen years old. We had already had consensual sex frequently by the time she revealed her age, and I had met her mother.

But I've never had a fantasy in which I consciously imagined myself with a girl 15, 16, 17 years old. I sometimes recall memories of girlfriends when I was a teenager, but a memory is not quite the same as a fantasy. The reasons for arousal are different.

Lit's adherence to only posting stories involving legal-age adults is a big reason why I place my stories here, and nowhere else.
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KC, you restored a small modicum of faith in my doubts that the majority of this forum had any rationality at all.

I am going to, unless I change my mind mid course, present some musings on the subject of underage sex from a stated position of 'devil's advocate', taking an unpopular position, just to incur discussion and no doubt wrath.

I do that to be able to point back and claim deniability should someone step in late and quote me out of context or without reference to my stated advocacy.

While child sex is one of the most lucrative and practiced events around the world today, AH forum writer's are like ostrich with head in sand, righteously, as zealots, proclaiming horror at those who even think about such things, as thinking may become doing and the whole repressive attitude that conveys.

Underage sex, with adults, teen porn, first time, should be, far and above the largest category of stories written and read on this, the largest site I know of for erotic writing.

It is not even permitted and we all know why, but to ignore the reality for the practicality seems endemic within those who participate here.

For a group of people proclaiming to be as knowledgeable and uninhibited as most on this forum do, I am appalled that the concept of sex between young people is forbidden even for discussion. I include older men and women with much younger children and wonder, how in the light of pedophile homosexual and lesbian church officials and even school teachers, male and female, having sex with their students.

Young love has always been the province of poetry and prose, you Greek and Shakespearian scholars and afficionnado's can no doubt attest to that in vast numbers.

Are you so frightened and so attached to this site that you fear Laurel and Manu will ban you if you even discuss the subject openly?

I wonder...?

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Sex between underage kids is one thing, Amicus. We all know it happens, and most of us have engaged in it. Part of growing up, of learning about the opposite sex. You might even say it's expected.

But when you have a story with a minor and an adult, that's very different. That's an adult taking advantage of a child, both legally and morally.
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Actually, I would have thought as porn authors, this is exactly the kind of topic which would be interesting.... Despite participating in it myself, I have always thought debating politics, economics, the environment, etc.. as is routinely done here, while being interesting, is hardly appropriate for this audience....

On the contrary, I would have expected that the subjects to be discussed and/or debated would center on what brought us here... (well, me, anyway) which is to say.......... sex

I really don't care whether riffraff has fantasies about incestual sex or not... and there are any number of sexual proclivities I do not share...

ON the other hand, I would think subjects such as sexual politics...... censorship, age of consent, gay marriage, etc... would seem to be of vital interest to folks here...


But it is easy to talk about economics.... and perhaps, just perhaps..... despite our writing this stuff in stories, actually discussing these other topics may be too personal and expose too much of ourselves even given the anonymity of this place....

Just a thought...

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I guess my point was mostly that the thread was so old, and really, there weren't very many posts on it to begin with.

It just strikes me as odd. That's all. No offense intended.
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Amicus, I don't consider myself a zealot. or an ostrich with my head in the sand. I know there are people out there that like the kind of arousal they get when they think about doing sexual acts with people who may not have the capacity to say no. I do not want to read anything having to do with men and women who should have the common sense of stopping those kinds of thoughts in thier track.

These people are targeting "children" because of their innocence,vulnerability,innability to defend themselves, and thier not knowing the consequences of what can happen during/ and because of a sexual interlude.

That is why there is an age of consent. At a certain point in a person's life, they should be knowledgeable enough to be able to engage in happy sexual activity. The United States Federal Law states that the age of consent is EIGHTEEN. People who do not attain the ability to say no, or defend themselves, are appointed a gaurdian. Because in the face of today's society these people, will be labeled as "children" and seen as off limits to sexual activity.

Yes, there is sexual activity between children and adults. It does not mean I should accept the fact. People who commit sexual acts with children should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If its the case between someone who is a couple of years younger than the legal age, the person over the age of consent should be able to wait until the younger one's eighteenth birthday to commit sexual stuff.

Children who are having sex between themselves, should NOT BE HAVING SEX AT ALL. It is the Gaurdian's responsibility to make sure that this does not occur. There should not be any ACCIDENTAL PREGNANCIES OR BIRTHS. to people under the age of consent. ITS DISGUSTING.

I think that chastity belts should be used on minors that have reached puberty, until they have reached thier eighteenth birthday.
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Sex between underage kids is one thing, Amicus. We all know it happens, and most of us have engaged in it. Part of growing up, of learning about the opposite sex. You might even say it's expected.

But when you have a story with a minor and an adult, that's very different. That's an adult taking advantage of a child, both legally and morally.


I am still going to claim devil's advocacy here, I can think of a hundred story lines where it is beneficial for an abused teen girl to be disabused, in a sense by a gentle experienced older man.

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