Unreasonable Attacks

hell_kaiserV2 said:

Like I said, counter-trolling can be very effective.

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Oh, I wholeheartedly agree with that.

In fact, I highly encourage it.

I just meant don't take their words seriously as if they carried any weight or validity.

hell_kaiserV2 said:

I don't know about that. I took one person's trolling seriously, and now nobody in the CHYOO forums takes him seriously. You rip into them hard enough, they self-destruct. Proof: rippitydoo. He trolls everyone in the CHYOO forums, and even on the site, but once I started trolling him with a game of turnabout, he made up stories of being hacked, started impersonating other users, and (a personal favorite) that I somehow found his home address and his status as a diabetic (which, like his name, was his admission on open forum and allows me to post this without it being called personal information) and mailed him a giant box of chocolates hoping he would eat them and die. And all because he couldn't handle it when I played his game against him.

That's my advice to the thread creator, and everyone else. Troll the trolls. Trolls are so thin skinned they fall apart after one assault. If they mock your grammar or spelling, mock theirs. If they try to humbly say they think they're not perfect, point out everything they say and do that implies the thought (like how rippitydoo says all good editors approve his work 100% of the time, or how he ignores an editor's criticisms and suggestions and resubmits the work unchanged). They'll break quickly, and could get themselves banished. They won't go away otherwise, but they won't even be coherent anymore, and no one will fall for it. At that point, remember what everyone said: the harder the reaction, the more pain inflicted, and the greater the victory. That works for you now.

And if you don't want to play their game or this doesn't work, come join us at the Literotica sister site, CHYOO, and its forums. Our moderators take a strict stance against trolling. The only exception has been counter-trolling rippitydoo, but he's not really supposed to be active anymore, so that doesn't count. If Laurel has a problem with this, she should really speak up. We've been trying to reach her for some time to talk about someone willing to fix the site and banishing rippitydoo, peterbarry3, and tnadnuder, who are all the same person, as well as the banished users TJZombie, iwashacked, and fakeout001. Like I said, counter-trolling can be very effective.

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This guy is not a counter-troll. He is the original troll, picking people to hack-&-attack, & then claiming he does so because of trolling & other activities on their part...

The same can be said for the Mods he describes: They do "take a strict stance against..." anyone or anything they don't like. Does that include trolling?! Heck, no. They can't take a stance against trolling, let alone something as simple as violating rules, as they would mean they were doing so against themselves.

lovecraft68 said:

[SIZE="-3"]The GB is a bunch of insecure whiny asshats that cling to each other so they can act like they have friends.

Woman haters, retired lifeless old fucks, political rejects who have been tossed off of legit chatrooms and a bunch of slutty women posters more than half of which are men stroking their cocks every time some idiot over there flirts with them.

They're the kids that got their asses kicked in HS everyday so they make up for it by being rude to people they hope can never find them.[/SIZE]

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Which one of those is s'posed to be me?

lovecraft68 said:

[SIZE="-3"]Your bravado is very impressive.

I've received threats of personal violence along with assorted other punk ass behavior and that was just from LJ reloaded, never mind the nut bags from LW who think I'm a female and threaten to "rape me dead" I think they all know LJ

So I hate to break it to you because I know the GB thinks they're a bunch of cyber tough guys, but author side has trolls that make the sad little alts in the GB look like sad little alts from the GB.

The fact you strolled over here to tell us how "it is" shows how important some people think they are on a damn chat room on a porn board. [/SIZE]

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Yeah, you really should read his post again because you failed to spot his tongue stuck in his cheek there.



BTW WTF is CHYOO and what's with all that drama spilling over here. Should I bother getting the popcorn?





ETA- I've been threatened to be raped and beaten up in one of the threads in the GB and by someone from my city who even said how they would go about it. Neither was that user dealt with, nor the post deleted. But I can see how that is less serious than someone scoring down stories I submit for free to this site.

The AH CRY-BABIES aren't up for the gladiator arena.

subdued_passion said:

ETA- I've been threatened to be raped and beaten up in one of the threads in the GB and by someone from my city who even said how they would go about it. Neither was that user dealt with, nor the post deleted. But I can see how that is less serious than someone scoring down stories I submit for free to this site.

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I went slumming in the GB a few months back, tried my best to rap SB but she was having none of it.

She told me to eff off and something about saving herself for the marriage arranged by her Mummy and Dadums.

rippitydoo said:

This guy is not a counter-troll. He is the original troll

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Really? I could have sworn the original troll was you. After all, you're the one who harped on typos and mocked the users who made them for years before I put my foot down.

rippitydoo said:

picking people to hack-&-attack, & then claiming he does so because of trolling & other activities on their part...

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Projection! How many times have you used it now? And you still think people will fall for it?

rippitydoo said:

The same can be said for the Mods he describes: They do "take a strict stance against..." anyone or anything they don't like. Does that include trolling?! Heck, no. They can't take a stance against trolling, let alone something as simple as violating rules, as they would mean they were doing so against themselves.

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You mean rules that say "No impersonating other users," "No death threats," "No posting personal information," the silent rules of "No hacking" and "No plagiarism," as well as the one you made and demand to be enforced known as "No lying"? All rules that you admit to violating, and think it's justified by saying "If you're going to accuse me of doing something, I may as well actually do it," even though you started doing this before anyone accused you of doing anything? Weird how that means they're doing their jobs, right?

subdued_passion said:

BTW WTF is CHYOO

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CHYOO is Literotica's sister project. Whereas Literotica supplies stories that are read linearly, CHYOO is about interactive stories, like the Choose Your Own Adventure books of yesteryear. We have our own forum section (which is where rippitydoo trolls), and a separate-but-related website. It's no surprise you haven't heard of us though. The only references we get are a two-sentence section on Literotica's Wikipedia page, a forum all the way at the bottom of the list, and a link that's buried a few pages in. Plus, Laurel isn't paying any attention to us anymore, even though we're trying to make the site better and clean up all the problems left in the site, like the fact that a pre-schooler can hack it (as proven by rippitydoo's repeated hacks of the site).

subdued_passion said:

what's with all that drama spilling over here.

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It's more of a demonstration in counter-trolling, showing the thread creator that the best solution to trolls (when the administrators don't care about age-indiscriminate cyberbullying laws that can result in a site being shut down) is a dose of their own medicine. rippitydoo is a quintessential troll, so he's great for showing people how to deal with trolls. It's also an attempt to reach out to Laurel. So far she only responds to us when we accuse her of something and she needs to cover her ass. I'm trying to change that.

Yeah, like it you're going to do something, why not do it properly and make things better. I'm not sure what the resistance would be.

NymphWriter,

I know of this other site you speak of. In fact, you left a positive comment on one of my poems over there.

That place has its upsides and downsides. So does this place.

Condition yourself to be less concerned with both negative and positive praise and focus more on worthwhile critical analysis that will help you improve as a writer, a commodity that is more abundant here than over yonder.

If I could only choose one publisher, it would be Literotica.

hell_kaiserV2 said:

Really? I could have sworn the original troll was you. After all, you're the one who harped on typos and mocked the users who made them for years before I put my foot down.

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I don't recall ever mocking anyone; That's you, pretending to be me after hacking & taking control of my accounts (to the point where several of them have then been banned, which you then state as something to count against me).

I've also never been a troll at all. I'm not sure you ever put your foot down, as you're too busy with the printing version of flapping your gums.

hell_kaiserV2 said:

Projection! How many times have you used it now? And you still think people will fall for it?

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How many times? Zero (same as your IQ). Also, it's not "falling for it" to believe honest truth.

hell_kaiserV2 said:

You mean rules that say "No impersonating other users," "No death threats," "No posting personal information," the silent rules of "No hacking" and "No plagiarism,"

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I've never done any of that. You (speaking of you & the rest od your online-only friends that act against me in those Forums) have broken all of the above (as long as hacking accounts & editing their posts is counted as impersonating)... Actually, one special note must be made for the post someone else made that included links to my blog & other personal information about me, where Kaitou did the right thing & removed it/them. (Guess that's 1 good for the 80,000 violations. What millennia will his next proper act happen in?)

hell_kaiserV2 said:

as well as the one you made and demand to be enforced known as "No lying"? All rules that you admit to violating, and think it's justified by saying "If you're going to accuse me of doing something, I may as well actually do it," even though you started doing this before anyone accused you of doing anything? Weird how that means they're doing their jobs, right?

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That would be very weird, if any of it were true. I didn't make the rule against false statements until you & a few others seemed to only be able to make those statements when discussing my accounts/actions. I also never admitted to violating any of those rules, until I started using that justification you give there, which you got directly from me after you & those like you had made a million false accusations about me violating rules, which I see here you continue to do.

hell_kaiserV2 said:

We have our own forum section (which is where rippitydoo trolls), and a separate-but-related website. Plus, Laurel isn't paying any attention to us anymore, even though we're trying to make the site better and clean up all the problems left in the site, like the fact that a pre-schooler can hack it (as proven by rippitydoo's repeated hacks of the site).

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More false accusations about me: Actually, I have never hacked or trolled on the Forums & the site. Recently, though, we opened a new site. Soon after (on my specific suggestion), new Forums came to go with it, but it matters not, as the creator gave the new site & Forums the same staff as the old; They remove posts that are within the rules (banning the posters & falsely calling them "Spammers"), while also making posts & other actions in clear, intentional violation of the same rules.

hell_kaiserV2 said:

It's more of a demonstration in counter-trolling, showing the thread creator that the best solution to trolls (when the administrators don't care about age-indiscriminate cyberbullying laws that can result in a site being shut down) is a dose of their own medicine. rippitydoo is a quintessential troll, so he's great for showing people how to deal with trolls. It's also an attempt to reach out to Laurel. So far she only responds to us when we accuse her of something and she needs to cover her ass. I'm trying to change that.

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I thought about editing that part of his post, as I have some of the earlier portions, leaving only the truth. I then changed my mind, however, realizing that would leave nothing inside the quote. I liken the situation to the old saying about "inmates running the asylum", or (more-specifically) an ex-con being Chief of Police.

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Laurel said:

If you have any questions on this or anything else, let me know!

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i've got one: bambi, boy or a girl?

geronimo_appleby said:

i've got one: bambi, boy or a girl?

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Boy. Wee little Bambi grew up to be a big snortin' BUCK! Those seeing 'Bambi' on a signature may have illusions. Pity.

Magnetron said:

I went slumming in the GB a few months back, tried my best to rap SB but she was having none of it.

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I was gonna ask who SB was but then I clicked the link. Been a while since I've seen either you or strangebird around the GB.

hell_kaiserV2 said:

CHYOO is Literotica's sister project ...

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I've seen the CHYOO link on the Discussion Board page with user names to beware always showing against it. Made me not want to check it out.

Magnetron said:

Condition yourself to be less concerned with both negative and positive praise and focus more on worthwhile critical analysis that will help you improve as a writer

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Though excellent advice, it applies only if you are looking to improve as a writer. I know many here who write to simply share their fantasies or getting a thrill out of letting others into their naughty desires or just for the praise and adulation fix. Trolls can really ruin it for such people.

Laurel said:

However, to expect us to "do something" about negative anonymous comments is futile. We do not possess special supernatural powers required to preemptively stop negative comments. We have no magic wand we can wave over your story that will magically make the tens of thousands of people who read it slather it in praise.

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Yeah, I wondered about people making those requests. What is it they expect exactly? Because you can't prevent these comments from being posted. Unless people want a comment approval mechanism put in place where admin proof all comments before posting them to the site. What fun!

subdued_passion said:

Yeah, I wondered about people making those requests. What is it they expect exactly? Because you can't prevent these comments from being posted. Unless people want a comment approval mechanism put in place where admin proof all comments before posting them to the site. What fun!

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No, the site cannot do anything about negative comments.

But that wasn't the request.

The request is to eliminate anonymous period and make everyone sign up(1st off its free second you are still anon unless your name is really Subdued Passion)

Even though people would still be technically anonymous-as far as their r/l info-many are leery of leaving pure nastiness under a handle because then people can look for their other remarks and start calling them out for being the troll they are.

Ditching anon would drastically cut down on the nastiest trolling and the site can do that.

That was a nice spin answer, dodging the actual request.

lovecraft68 said:

No, the site cannot do anything about negative comments.

But that wasn't the request.

The request is to eliminate anonymous period and make everyone sign up(1st off its free second you are still anon unless your name is really Subdued Passion)

Even though people would still be technically anonymous-as far as their r/l info-many are leery of leaving pure nastiness under a handle because then people can look for their other remarks and start calling them out for being the troll they are.

Ditching anon would drastically cut down on the nastiest trolling and the site can do that.

That was a nice spin answer, dodging the actual request.

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But you have the option the turn off anon feedback and you know this LC, so whatcha on about?

subdued_passion said:

But you have the option the turn off anon feedback and you know this LC, so whatcha on about?

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I'm on about another non answer.

Say "we won't" don't say "we can't"

And respond to the actual request which was not "screen all feedback and remove negative ones- it is about eliminating anonymous who is 90% of the problem with seriously nasty trolling- and that can be done, but was spun the other way of "you want us to what? We can't do that"

As for the topic? It has no bearing on me I leave all the comments up and laugh them off as do many others, but it appears many are unable to do that.

End of the day I guess I no patience for games. I shoot straight and ask it of others.

As for the option to shut up anon? Yes you have it, but you will also lose a lot of good feedback.

If you make everyone sign up odds are the positive anons will still post, the trolls? Many will leave.

Point is this site revels in bullying and trolling in every way.

They call it free speech. I have other expressions for it

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But you have the option the turn off anon feedback and you know this LC, so whatcha on about?

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Exactly. There are many authors who want to receive as many comments and feedback as possible, even anonymous. I think they should have the right to that.

Laurel said:

Exactly. There are many authors who want to receive as many comments and feedback as possible, even anonymous. I think they should have the right to that.

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And then they-and I say they because I take trolls with a grain of salt as do others-lose out on positive anon feedback and there's a lot of that.

But as I said above-just added to it- the "good" anons will most likely still post if they had to sign up with a username, but the trolls? The site will lose a lot of them.

But again I really feel its encouraged here in many ways.

lovecraft68 said:

[SIZE="-3"]I'm on about another non answer.

Say "we won't" don't say "we can't"

And respond to the actual request which was not "screen all feedback and remove negative ones- it is about eliminating anonymous who is 90% of the problem with seriously nasty trolling- and that can be done, but was spun the other way of "you want us to what? We can't do that"

As for the topic? It has no bearing on me I leave all the comments up and laugh them off as do many others, but it appears many are unable to do that.

End of the day I guess I no patience for games. I shoot straight and ask it of others.

As for the option to shut up anon? Yes you have it, but you will also lose a lot of good feedback.

If you make everyone sign up odds are the positive anons will still post, the trolls? Many will leave.

Point is this site revels in bullying and trolling in every way.

They call it free speech. I have other expressions for it[/SIZE]

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I believe, the trolls would be more motivated to log in and troll and keep making new accounts, till all accounts, IPs etc are banned- thus is the nature of the troll.

Many anonymous readers post comments when they feel particularly moved at the end of the story and give you some really touching comments. Having to make an effort to log in to do just that would kill the spontaneity of it all.

So i disagree that getting rid of anon will work. Case in point- the forums. No unregistered posters anymore- are the trolls all gone?

Laurel said:

Exactly. There are many authors who want to receive as many comments and feedback as possible, even anonymous. I think they should have the right to that.

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I've seen several authors post saying that they comment anonymously when they wish to provide critical (as in analytic and not unfavourable) feedback. I've also received messages from a few authors who chose to comment on my stories anonymously but send me a mail/PM saying they were doing so.

subdued_passion said:

I believe, the trolls would be more motivated to log in and troll and keep making new accounts, till all accounts, IPs etc are banned- thus is the nature of the troll.

Many anonymous readers post comments when they feel particularly moved at the end of the story and give you some really touching comments. Having to make an effort to log in to do just that would kill the spontaneity of it all.

So i disagree that getting rid of anon will work. Case in point- the forums. No unregistered posters anymore- are the trolls all gone?





I've seen several authors post saying that they comment anonymously when they wish to provide critical (as in analytic and not unfavourable) feedback. I've also received messages from a few authors who chose to comment on my stories anonymously but send me a mail/PM saying they were doing so.

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I've dealt with banned trolls who re-registered as many as 50 times.

The more you lead them to believe they are making an impact on you or the atmosphere the more motivated they become.

Laurel said:

If you have any questions on this or anything else, let me know!

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Why does this site allow stories in Loving Wives that intentionally violate the very theme of the category? I can see that the term "Loving Wife" was understood when the category was created, or at least, some time in the past. It is defined by this site as "Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more," and yet stories are allowed that aim to change that very definition.

What gives?

Writers who crave attention will attract trolls who crave attention.

Simple as that.

Wanting only praise and fixating on getting only positive is a recipe for receiving the opposite anywhere you go.

And take my word for it, I probably have the thickest skin out of all authors on this site. You will not shake, rattle or roll me.

That doesn't mean one in my position can't perpetuate the negative behavior of others.

I have several people on Ignore for the simple fact that they crave an audience. Without an audience, they would move on to somewhere else. LJ_Reloaded and Bunny Slippers to name a few.

It is other Lit members here that keep giving these attention whooors the opportunities to continue behaving like asshats. Don't blame Laurel for encouraging these raging twats to linger with the prospect of Freedom of Speech.

Blame the many Lit members that can't resist engaging those furry scrotum strokers on a daily basis. Literotica would have a much more positive reputation than it does now if it were not for the good guys habitually trying to talk over the bad guys.

Magnetron said:

Writers who crave attention will attract trolls who crave attention.

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The only writer who doesn't crave attention is the writer who never displays his work. Would that not be true?

lovecraft68 said:

But as I said above-just added to it- the "good" anons will most likely still post if they had to sign up with a username

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You are wrong. This is an erotic story website. This is not Facebook. There is a substantial portion of the readership who will never ever ever make an account here or on any "porn" site. These are good, well-intentioned readers who make up the bulk of positive anonymous comments but who fear being outed as someone who enjoys this type of entertainment.

I think adults have a right to browse, comment, and discuss things anonymously if they choose to do so.

I think adult writers have the right to control what comments/feedback is posted beneath their story.

Lit allows both of these things.

You are, as usual, trolling. There is no issue here.

Magnetron said:

I've dealt with banned trolls who re-registered as many as 50 times.

The more you lead them to believe they are making an impact on you or the atmosphere the more motivated they become.

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Exactly.

Trolls are no different from hecklers at comedy shows. They are wannabes trying to steal some of the author's spotlight. If you stoop to argue with them - if you give them even a little of your limelight - they will never leave you alone. The best thing to do is to delete their comments and ignore their existence.

Unless you enjoy arguing with trolls. Some authors do! In which case, enjoy.

littlecordelera said:

Why does this site allow stories in Loving Wives that intentionally violate the very theme of the category? I can see that the term "Loving Wife" was understood when the category was created, or at least, some time in the past. It is defined by this site as "Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more," and yet stories are allowed that aim to change that very definition.

What gives?

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There was a discussion a while back (which I can't find in the search for some reason) between myself and people on both sides of the LW argument. I was considering recategorizing the BTB/revenge stories because, like you said, they aren't precisely in the spirit of the category's initial purpose. But it was also pointed out to me that there were many facets to the LW discussion and that the category is more complex than our original description. We've decided for now to allow the factions to coexist. We believe the Story Tags and other forms of navigation will help those seeking the "right" stories for them within this category.