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Are we allowed to talk about the recent debate regarding female genital mutilation?

Vagina_Dentata said:
So you must be pro life because if you shouldn't be cutting off a little penis tissue without the organism's consent, then sucking it out and killing it should not be attempted either.
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The foreskin is like 1/3 of the penis. That's more than a little tissue.

Not that it has anything to do with the subject at hand, but I think women should be legally allowed to have abortions. That being said, I am largely pro life.

I personally would not have an abortion in any case where my life was not immediately threatened and the child would have any sort of quality life. I gave birth to a rape baby, she's a healthy happy 8 year old I love and adore. But I don't feel the need to force those standards on anyone else.

I don't believe a being without sentience has a capacity for consent.
 
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BotanyBoy said:
Not all FGM involves the removal of the clit.

And considering the internal size of the clitoris and is related nerve system I highly doubt many if any of these 3rd world barbarians are actually doing full removals.

Not to mention the clit has about 8,000 nerve endings that run to about 15,000 nerve fibers in the pelvic region.

Male foreskin alone has over 20,000 nerve endings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoris
http://thecircumcisiondecision.com/20000-nerve-endings/


Soooooooooo you're wrong as fuck........



And you look like a total douche bag in the process....

It's not an equivalency argument to point out that genital mutilation is not gender specific no matter how comfortable you are mutilating one gender over the other.
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Oh come on girls, it's not that bad at all........

WTF
 
Aglaopheme said:
So, please tell me if you think that MGM and FGM have equal results when performed on people?
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Ummmm your genitals are mutilated and your missing part of them.



Aglaopheme said:
The differences have been pointed out repeatedly.
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Yea penis =/= vagina I get it.

And in most cases men's circumcisions actually damage them more, physically speaking.

Psychologically? That's just a matter of age. If you did girls at birth they wouldn't remember shit either or miss the nerves they lost.

Aglaopheme said:
That happens everyday in America? Really?
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Boys are circumcised all day every day here.

Aglaopheme said:
Genital mutilation isn't a female problem?

Did I say I was accepting of male genital mutilation? Yeah, no.
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No it's not....it's a people problem.

You seem to think it's non issue compared to female genital mutilation, and you seem to think the act needs to be separated as problems by gender despite the fact that it happens to both sexes day in and day out all around the world.

RoryN said:
"If you're only talking about your problems, you must be neglecting / dismissing / ignoring the relevance of mine! That's discrimination!"

This is political correctness. You're embracing it.
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No....

You can't talk about your problems without talking about mine because they are the same fucking problem.
 
BotanyBoy said:
Not all FGM involves the removal of the clit.

And considering the internal size of the clitoris and is related nerve system I highly doubt many if any of these 3rd world barbarians are actually doing full removals.

Not to mention the clit has about 8,000 nerve endings that run to about 15,000 nerve fibers in the pelvic region.

Male foreskin alone has over 20,000 nerve endings.
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That's right, folks - he's arguing that a circumcision is, in fact, more damaging than removal of a clitoris.

And that women are coming out ahead because barbarians aren't removing the entire clit.

Let's let that sink in.
 
Aglaopheme said:
Oh come on girls, it's not that bad at all........

WTF
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You must not read very well, I didn't say it wasn't bad.

I said Rory was full of shit stating that female circumcision is the removal of the clitoris.
 
BotanyBoy said:
You must not read very well, I didn't say it wasn't bad.

I said Rory was full of shit stating that female circumcision is the removal of the clitoris.
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No, you clearly stated around page two or so that you thought it was bad, then proceeded to down play just how bad it was with your "I doubt" statement I put in bold.
 
RoryN said:
That's right, folks - he's arguing that a circumcision is, in fact, more damaging than removal of a clitoris.

And that women are coming out ahead because barbarians aren't removing the entire clit.

Let's let that sink in.
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Well....male circumcision removes about 20k nerves.

Females lose about 8k.

No I'm saying women are coming out ahead on pure numbers.

Neither situation involves total removal of everything as you suggested when you tried to push this steamer....

RoryN said:
Removing a woman's clitoris would be like removing a man's glans.
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In an attempt to somehow make genital mutilation of females somehow separate, special and more fucked up than the genital mutilation of males.
 
Aglaopheme said:
No, you clearly stated around page two or so that you thought it was bad, then proceeded to down play just how bad it was with your "I doubt" statement I put in bold.
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How is it downplaying just how bad it is?

It's not removal of the clit. If you can find me evidence of massively invasive removal of the internal clitoral nerve systems I'll happily admit I'm wrong but that does not seem to be the case.

Until then everything I've seen on it is snipping the tip, not at all unlike male circumcision.

The biggest distinction is that we mutilate our males at birth so it's 'civilized' and don't mutilate our females.

We don't wait for them to turn tween and then do it like a number of other cultures.

But the end result is still a person with fucked up junk that was cut on by a bunch of lunatics and almost always justified by GAWWWD!!
 
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Seriously, what kind of butthurt numb nuts comes into a thread about FGM and cites nerve ending counts to shift the argument to circumcision?

Make your own thread, idiot. Your problem is not the same - get over it.
 
RoryN said:
Seriously, what kind of butthurt numb nuts comes into a thread about FGM and cites nerve ending counts to shift the argument to circumcision?

Make your own thread, idiot. Your problem is not the same - get over it.
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It's not a shift....the topic is genital mutilation.

Until you can prove that genital mutilation is a female problem it doesn't get to be a female problem only discussion.

Get over it.
 
BotanyBoy said:
It's not a shift....the topic is genital mutilation.
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No it is not - it is female genital mutilation. (First skill: learn to read.)

BotanyBoy said:
I'm saying women are coming out ahead on pure numbers.
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......wow.

I want to see how deep you can dig this hole.

Scratch what I just said about making another thread. Carry on in here. :cool:
 
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RoryN said:
No it is not - it is female genital mutilation. (First skill: learn to read.)
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And I'm arguing that you can't separate cutting the ends of girls clits off is some how a separate and somehow more heinous act than cutting the end of a boys penis off. From a moral perspective they are equal and physiologically speaking that's a loosing argument.

Unless sexist shitstain....because they really are the exact same problem, cutting on kids junk because nuts and largely justified with gawd/tradition.

If you just want to do raging sexist for 500 that's cool too.

RoryN said:
......wow.

I want to see how deep you can dig this hole.

Scratch what I just said about making another thread. Carry on in here. :cool:
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That's not a hole, that's a fact.
 
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You poor, poor men are so opressed. I can't believe that circumcision is not considered a human rights violation internationally, or anywhere at all, like FGM is. If only men had more control over what constitutes a human rights violation. :mad:
 
Aglaopheme said:
You poor, poor men are so opressed. I can't believe that circumcision is not considered a human rights violation internationally, or anywhere at all, like FGM is. If only men had more control over such things. :mad:
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Because it's an accepted practice in the western world. Doesn't make it any less than FGM....it's genital mutilation. Both genders get the end of their junk cut off. Unless you can argue otherwise??


If only they did have more control.

I don't know any men personally who chose to be circumcised and I bet the list who have is exceedingly short.
 
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Aglaopheme said:
You poor, poor men are so opressed. I can't believe that circumcision is not considered a human rights violation internationally, or anywhere at all, like FGM is. If only men had more control over what constitutes a human rights violation. :mad:
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Nice. Thumbs up!
 
lemonbread said:
Very true, I wasn't fully going back in history when making that statement. Genital cutting goes back before religion. I think religion set it off as a big reason why people began to do it ritualistically, but not necessarily the first reason.

I have a hard time believing the studies claiming any benefits from circumcision. I have looked into several heavily, and they were deeply biased and skewed.

The "minor" FGM here was a visible "nick" of the clitoris. The only benefit would be that by allowing it, it could save girls from having their genitals largely removed.
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My point, and I made it poorly, is that religion really started as an odd blend of government and science. So with MOST of the customs that they have/had there is/was something that masquerades as a reason at the very least. When people make the point that 'x' started with religion it implies that it is no more legit than throwing salt over your shoulder.

I trust the WHO to be accurate with their medicine and see no particular reason they would be biased on this.

Well if that is the only benefit it's not a benefit in 'real' terms. It's the sort of thing that I might encourage in their countries as an alternative knowing that I have no real power to make them do anything but not something that should be tolerated in my country.
 
BotanyBoy said:
Because it's an accepted practice in the western world. Doesn't make it any less than FGM....it's genital mutilation. Both genders get the end of their junk cut off. Unless you can argue otherwise??


If only they did have more control.

I don't know any men personally who chose to be circumcised and I bet the list who have is exceedingly short.
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Well, now that you mention it, that actually does happen.

There are three reasons a man gets circumcised after infancy: for cosmetic reasons, for medical reasons, or as part of a religious rite of passage. A Los Angeles–based urologist I spoke with, who performs between 50 and 75 adult circumcisions a year, also said the procedure is occasionally performed for cultural reasons. In particular, Filipinos sometimes opt to have their children circumcised at eight or ten, citing tradition, but it is quite rare.
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http://www.vice.com/read/men-explain-why-they-were-circumcised-as-adults-330

I could not find any adult woman that voluntarily decide to have part or all of their clits cut off.


*shrugs*

I think someone needs to take how 75% of women achieve orgasm 101.
 
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Also, some of the fights between posters, around foreskin removal were quite funny…
Nice to see something just as funny yet a lot more civilized than the eternal "GB lefties versus R-wingers" name calling etal.
 
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Bickering over male v female circmcision is like bickering over amputating a finger or a hand. Both are vile abuses, even if one is more damaging than the other in the long term.

Let people have a choice. They can opt for an op once they're of age.
 
Lancecastor said:
I'm pretty sure nobody read the article.
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I did. It is preposterous to suggest a lesser form of FGM, and thst doctors are behind it is even more troubling. No form of this should be acceptable.

The article hits the nail on the head when declaring the goal of FGM is to curb women's sexuality, to control their desires. That is a distinct difference between FGM and male circumcision. Male circumcision is rationalized for hygienic reasons by many, protecting males from STDs and the unfortunate cleaning habits of youth. FGM is designed to eliminate sexual desire in the female population. Nicking the clit, as suggested in the article and mentioned in this thread, is the least invasive of which I've heard. I've seen examples in which the girl had her external clit cut off crudely and then her vulva sewn shut, leaving a small opening too allow for urination.* She is then ripped open by her future husband when she loses her virginity. What the fuck! This "cultural practice" must be abolished.

*My phone autocorrected urination to ruination. Appropriate.
 
I appreciate the logic behind trying to persuade savages to only mutilate their women a little bit.

From that perspective, a ceremonial nick akin to a clit hood piercing instead of full external genital removal would be a huge step forward.

Wondering how you persuade the savages.

Learn to do that and clits are small potatoes.
 
Aella_ said:
Also, some of the fights between posters, around foreskin removal were quite funny…
Nice to see something just as funny yet a lot more civilized than the eternal "GB lefties versus R-wingers" name calling etal.
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None of the is funny, moron.

Get back to me when your circumcision gives you problems during child birth.

Care to hear more incivility?
 
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