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haiti earthquake.

Hey, like you said, you had no idea that it was a nation in squalor with no infrastructure, but as soon as you saw those pictures on the telly, you just melted...



Maybe they are not alligator tears, but those of us redneck backwoods idiots (and our fucking missionaries) had seen all this before with NO FUCKING earthquake...

Like when the Hurricane hit. We got our collective world-wide panties in a wad for about 15 minutes and then we went back to the latest national talent show and forgot all about Haiti.

Rinse, lather, repeat, but at least our Pres__ent gets to finally do what he was put on this here earth for, looking out for the poor and oppressed of the world; the man knows WE did this to them and now we're in a perfect position to make reparations...
 
chipbutty said:
I'm sure most people had no idea; those who knew might have been unable to make a difference; those that may have been able to make a difference and didn't ... those are to whom you ought to be addressing this. I'm sure they won't be reading this forum, though.

I am really deeply put out by the suggestion here that my own feelings and those of others, expressing genuine concern and sympathy for humans in dire straits (please resist), is nothing but a display of crocodile/alligator tears. If it is your intention to direct this elsewhere, then you need to make that clear - however, it seems perfectly crystal already that you mean it to apply to everyone who's expressed some public sympathy.
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The ironic thing is that A_J is displaying his own lack of humanity by questioning whether the victims of a natural disaster are human.

I agree with Mecha, I pity the child he is home schooling.
 
Frisco_Slug_Esq said:
Hey, like you said, you had no idea that it was a nation in squalor with no infrastructure, but as soon as you saw those pictures on the telly, you just melted...
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More viewers = more advertising dollars.

They'll work this one for all it's worth.
 
zipman said:
The ironic thing is that A_J is displaying his own lack of humanity by questioning whether the victims of a natural disaster are human.

I agree with Mecha, I pity the child he is home schooling.
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Oh, knock it off with that silly shit.

Go off to Times Square and strike a heroic pose if you're serious about making a difference.
 
zipman said:
The ironic thing is that A_J is displaying his own lack of humanity by questioning whether the victims of a natural disaster are human.

I agree with Mecha, I pity the child he is home schooling.
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I thought about his comments as i watched newscasts yesterday, interviewing some survivors; they were dignified, eloquent, and (for the most part) speaking english; they were thanking the world for their pledged aid while grieving and in shock. But now things are running out and aid's not able to reach them to any great effect as yet - people will get angry, desperate, and now is when the looting and fighting will start to eclipse if it's allowed to. HOW anyone can say these people - schoolgirls in their tartan skirts, office workers, market stall keepers - crying or standing quietly, helping to find bodies or searching the roadsides for their dead - how ANYONE can call these people LESS than human shocks me to my core.

I don't believe comments about AJ's personal life have any place here. This is bigger than such pettiness.
 
Byron In Exile said:
Oh, knock it off with that silly shit.

Go off to Times Square and strike a heroic pose if you're serious about making a difference.
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What's silly? Questioning the humanity of someone who relegates the residents of an entire country as not being human?

Or questioning whether such a person is a good role model for a child?

To me, the silly one is the person who would defend that.
 
Vettebigot said:
What they need to do is throw out their dictators and their communists, install a democratic government, lease out their coastline to entrepreneurs and turn the place into a vacation paradise. Let the Haitian people reap a fair percentage of the proceeds to fuel a higher standard of living. They need freedom.
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Not a bad idea.

How do you propose they begin doing that? A cynic might say that since the earthquake wiped out a great majority of what little infrastructure there was, there exists a rare window of opportunity to rebuild things the "right" way this time.

Where should Haiti look for seed capital? I assume the ruling kleptocracy will be of little to no use.
 
zipman said:
What's silly? Questioning the humanity of someone who relegates the residents of an entire country as not being human?
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Alright, I might have missed something. Link me to where he said that.

Or questioning whether such a person is a good role model for a child?
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From what I've seen of what he's posted over seven years or so, if I'd had a child, and it had been put up for adoption, I'd consider myself very fortunate were it to have landed in his family.

To me, the silly one is the person who would defend that.
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Well, you live in New York, and, as the real America knows, there are some people with strange beliefs who live there. But we're all one country, so you can be a silly American, and we love you anyway.
 
Byron In Exile said:
Alright, I might have missed something. Link me to where he said that.

From what I've seen of what he's posted over seven years or so, if I'd had a child, and it had been put up for adoption, I'd consider myself very fortunate were it to have landed in his family.

Well, you live in New York, and, as the real America knows, there are some people with strange beliefs who live there. But we're all one country, so you can be a silly American, and we love you anyway.
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posts 329, 330, 331
 
it befuddles me how aj couldn't look at his kid, look at those kids in haiti and think, ''there but for the grace of god goes she.''

however...

everything he posts about her speaks of real emotion. adoration. he's posted things in the classroom poop drama thread that prove he can has empathy and compassion to a child who is there in front of him. that he has her at all says he'll practically walk over broken glass for her.

i don't think dragging his child into this is ok.
it's a cheap shot that lowers you as much as his unfeeling posts might lower him.
 
vetteman said:
It's a difficult problem, there's little education, little infrastructure to work with there. They have to understand that freedom brings prosperity. Maybe we, or they, need to depose their dictatorial ruling class and then hold free elections, so that any agreements made with foreign investors will be arrived at through a democratic negotiating process. I would build in safeguards against exploitation, then let the engine of free enterprise do the heavy lifting, all else will follow the resulting prosperity.
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So you're saying we should take over their government and let a bunch of uneducated people vote for their new leader?
 
Byron In Exile said:
Alright, I might have missed something. Link me to where he said that.

From what I've seen of what he's posted over seven years or so, if I'd had a child, and it had been put up for adoption, I'd consider myself very fortunate were it to have landed in his family.

Well, you live in New York, and, as the real America knows, there are some people with strange beliefs who live there. But we're all one country, so you can be a silly American, and we love you anyway.
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Post 330 in this thread.

Frisco_Slug_Esq said:
Why should I care?

What have they done to save their own humanity?

When did they stand up for themselves and fight back against tyranny?

Why have they just "accepted" what fate has dealt to them, and if they're willing to accept their fate, then why should I not also adopt the fatalism endemic to that half of the island? At least they don't have winter to contend with; maybe that's why they won't struggle on their own behalf...

In this regard, I do see them as less than human, just like the idiots wound up on Jihad willing to turn themselves into robotic slaves for Allah, ergo, I'm not too concerned about the "humanitarian" nature of the disaster any more that I got too terribly worked up over the hands-out welfare wards in the wards of Louisiana's welfare state after Katrina.

The people all wound up now, are pretty much the same people who were willing to let the people of Iraq rot under Saddam, a man-made humanitarian disaster, who were actually willing to fight until we stood silent while they were gassed and used to fill mass graves...

That death toll, induced by our rhetoric, far exceeds the wrath of nature in Haiti where the people have yet to rise up and storm that pathetic little mansion its "leaders" hid in until nature did them a favor and raised it...

Maybe now they'll catch the fever to do something about their plight.

Maybe they'll fight for Liberty and Prosperity.

Maybe. Slaves are hard to motivate.
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To me, anyone who says that is hardly a role model for a child.
 
chipbutty said:
I'm sure most people had no idea; those who knew might have been unable to make a difference; those that may have been able to make a difference and didn't ... those are to whom you ought to be addressing this. I'm sure they won't be reading this forum, though.

I am really deeply put out by the suggestion here that my own feelings and those of others, expressing genuine concern and sympathy for humans in dire straits (please resist), is nothing but a display of crocodile/alligator tears. If it is your intention to direct this elsewhere, then you need to make that clear - however, it seems perfectly crystal already that you mean it to apply to everyone who's expressed some public sympathy.
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I wonder how much snarky commentary would be emitting from Frisco's cracked, blood-coagulated throat after crying and yelling his brain off if he had been living there and his upper torso was all that was left of him after collapsed building structure and leveled ground had turned his lower half and the rest of his family into pancakes.

"Help me! Help me! It's Palin to see...I'm in mis-er-ree...Obama, where you be...l-li-luuh-LIPSTICK!!!!"

Ahh, but he's not living there. See, he's a real human being due to fiat of being born here in America, unlike them. And as we all know, being a part of privilege and entitlement due to luck of the cosmic draw means never having to say you're sorry about being inconsiderate over other people's lives.
 
Frisco_Slug_Esq said:
Why should I care?

What have they done to save their own humanity?

When did they stand up for themselves and fight back against tyranny?

Why have they just "accepted" what fate has dealt to them, and if they're willing to accept their fate, then why should I not also adopt the fatalism endemic to that half of the island? At least they don't have winter to contend with; maybe that's why they won't struggle on their own behalf...

In this regard, I do see them as less than human, just like the idiots wound up on Jihad willing to turn themselves into robotic slaves for Allah, ergo, I'm not too concerned about the "humanitarian" nature of the disaster any more that I got too terribly worked up over the hands-out welfare wards in the wards of Louisiana's welfare state after Katrina.

The people all wound up now, are pretty much the same people who were willing to let the people of Iraq rot under Saddam, a man-made humanitarian disaster, who were actually willing to fight until we stood silent while they were gassed and used to fill mass graves...

That death toll, induced by our rhetoric, far exceeds the wrath of nature in Haiti where the people have yet to rise up and storm that pathetic little mansion its "leaders" hid in until nature did them a favor and raised it...

Maybe now they'll catch the fever to do something about their plight.

Maybe they'll fight for Liberty and Prosperity.

Maybe. Slaves are hard to motivate.
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They were the first successful slave revolt in the Caribbean. They kicked out their "owners" and started a democratic country of their own.

And the US and UK kicked the shit out of them for it for a couple centuries.

Learn some history. From wiki:
It was the first independent nation of Latin America and the Caribbean, the first black-led republic in the world, and the second republic in the Americas when it gained independence in 1804 as part of a successful slave revolution lasting nearly a decade.[6]
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Doesn't that speak to your question eloquently enough? A slave revolt?

Now look at why they're so fucked up:

In Haiti, there is an undeniable link between the quality of the environment and the quality of life. Widespread deforestation has led to massive erosion, infertile farmland, famine and regular flash floods, which facilitate disease and sickness as they sweep everything in their path, including garbage, sewage, animals and people into the lowest, poorest seaside slums.
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http://www.foodforthepoor.org/about/topics/spotlight-on/deforestation-and-poverty.html

And if you're at all interested in really understanding, then look into the types of rice and maize they were forced to grow.

But this is a good overview: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation_in_Haiti

Also, consider the fact that most of the population doesn't get to learn French, which is the language of the government. They speak Creole and they don't have the benefit of those terrible government schools you often impugn. So they're illiterate and can't even understand their own government's language.

It gets worse.
 
Peregrinator said:
They were the first successful slave revolt in the Caribbean. They kicked out their "owners" and started a democratic country of their own.

And the US and UK kicked the shit out of them for it for a couple centuries.

Learn some history. From wiki:

Doesn't that speak to your question eloquently enough? A slave revolt?

Now look at why they're so fucked up:



http://www.foodforthepoor.org/about/topics/spotlight-on/deforestation-and-poverty.html

And if you're at all interested in really understanding, then look into the types of rice and maize they were forced to grow.

But this is a good overview: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation_in_Haiti

Also, consider the fact that most of the population doesn't get to learn French, which is the language of the government. They speak Creole and they don't have the benefit of those terrible government schools you often impugn. So they're illiterate and can't even understand their own government's language.

It gets worse.
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Learn some yourself. Half the story is no story at all. Haiti is half an island, want to talk about the other half? Want to talk about what they did with their 'democracy?' Or is the dark side borderline too politically incorrect for you?

It's a cess pool of ignorance and poverty. What's worse is the leftists of this nation are doing everything they can to keep it that way.

If their 'democracy' is so great why are so many risking long ocean voyages on rotten wood to get out of that septic tank of humanity?

Ishmael
 
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