Are you ever "justified" in using a racial slur?

xssve said:

Again, you are not hearing this word hurled into your face a hundred times a day, I'm sure you're little theraputic campaign is very enchanting and empowering, but I think you might be slightly underestimating the cumulative volumetric effect.

i.e., the Camels back is so broken, it's hard to remember a time when it wasn't.

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With LT's help, actually, yes, I am.

It has been, thank you.

It wouldn't be the first time I made a mistake and learned something.

Then I shouldn't be seeing the camel doing an end zone dance with an obviously normal back, should I?

Recidiva said:

With LT's help, actually, yes, I am.

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I would be inclined to interpret that as a conceit.

xssve said:

I would be inclined to interpret that as a conceit.

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This would not surprise me.

Recidiva said:

Then I shouldn't be seeing the camel doing an end zone dance with an obviously normal back, should I?

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Or smoking filtered cigarettes.

http://www.artofsmoking.com/joe_camel.jpg

IrezumiKiss said:

Or smoking filtered cigarettes.

http://www.artofsmoking.com/joe_camel.jpg

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I hate that. What a bad example. Damned camels.

xssve said:

No. Emotions exist and emotional pain is real pain in objective empirical reality, that is to say, outside of the conservative cartoon universe where you play at being "real men".

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No, there is nothing "objective" about emotional pain.

One individual's emotional reactions to a thing are entirely subjective.

Do you own a dictionary?

Byron In Exile said:

No, there is nothing "objective" about emotional pain.

One individual's emotional reactions to a thing are entirely subjective.

Do you own a dictionary?

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Can anyone explain to me how this is not racist? Or why none of the "retaliatory racial slurs is wrong" crowd on the GB could find it within themselves to criticize this?

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=24028898&postcount=143

Byron in Exile said:

"You do it constantly.
Have you ever heard the John Lennon song, "Woman is the Nigger of the World"?
In that sense, you've made yourself the nigger of the General Board.
And it has nothing to do with whether you're black, which nobody can know, but with how you post."

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Thanks.

Byron In Exile said:

No, there is nothing "objective" about emotional pain.

One individual's emotional reactions to a thing are entirely subjective.

Do you own a dictionary?

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Do you? Did I say they were not subjective?

xssve said:

Do you? Did I say they were not subjective?

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Your entire argument is based on the assumption that they are not subjective.

Recidiva said:

I had something really funny if he'd replied to Phrodeau. But it was to Byron. Damn.

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Well, Hell's Bells.

PM it to me.

Byron In Exile said:

Well, Hell's Bells.

PM it to me.

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I was going to accuse him of being speciesist, as Phrodeau is a hobbit. I was going to make some reference to the Scouring of the Shire and how that's a point of contention between humans and hobbits, but it's time to heal and let that go.

The future of the children of Bree demands we forgive.

I was sad when I had to backspace.

Recidiva said:

I was going to accuse him of being speciesist, as Phrodeau is a hobbit. I was going to make some reference to the Scouring of the Shire and how that's a point of contention between humans and hobbits, but it's time to heal and let that go.

The future of the children of Bree demands we forgive.

I was sad when I had to backspace.

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Even the wise cannot see all ends. I have not much hope that Lovingtongue can be cured before he dies, but there is a chance of it. And my heart tells me that he has some part to play yet, for good or ill, before the end.

Byron In Exile said:

Even the wise cannot see all ends. I have not much hope that Lovingtongue can be cured before he dies, but there is a chance of it. And my heart tells me that he has some part to play yet, for good or ill, before the end.

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It was Pity that stayed his hand.

That's it! We await the username Pity with great jubilation.

Excuse me but how does someone make themselves "the nigger of the General Board"? Thanks.

LovingTongue said:

Excuse me but how does someone make themselves "the nigger of the General Board"? Thanks.

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You never even bothered to look up the song that Byron was referring to did you?
Yes, it's an actual song, politically incorrect as it is. It compares women to slaves.

Woman is the Nigger of the World
John Lennon


Woman is the nigger of the world
Yes she is...think about it
Woman is the nigger of the world
Think about it...do something about it

We make her paint her face and dance
If she won’t be slave, we say that she don’t love us
If she’s real, we say she’s trying to be a man
While putting her down we pretend that she is above us

Woman is the nigger of the world...yes she is
If you don’t belive me take a look to the one you’re with
Woman is the slaves of the slaves
Ah yeah...better screem about it

We make her bear and raise our children
And then we leave her flat for being a fat old mother then
We tell her home is the only place she would be
Then we complain that she’s too unworldly to be our friend

Woman is the nigger of the world...yes she is
If you don’t belive me take a look to the one you’re with
Woman is the slaves of the slaves
Yeah (think about it)

We insult her everyday on TV
And wonder why she has no guts or confidence
When she’s young we kill her will to be free
While telling her not to be so smart we put her down for being so dumb

Woman is the nigger of the world...yes she is
If you don’t belive me take a look to the one you’re with
Woman is the slaves of the slaves
Yes she is...if you belive me, you better scream about it.

We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance

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No, you don't get to twist shit like that.

I said, and I will say again.

Excuse me but how does someone make themselves "the nigger of the General Board"?

I want an answer to that, and the real adult in this crowd will step forward and give an answer to that. The kids will step back and recede into the shadows like you always do.

That Byron referred to a "song" is immaterial at best, he could said 100,000 other things besides call me the 'nigger of the General Board'. But eventually when you grow up and realize what adults realize, you come to see that this is nothing more than a case of using 'nigger' against a black man among a large crowd of Literotica white people who will, as you do, find nothing wrong with hurling racial slurs.

You do not have a problem with calling someone a racial slur. You have solidly demonstrated it here by standing up in defense of Byron's racist behavior.

There is no way in hell anyone will ever repeat his words to anyone in person and not be taken as a racist. It is simply not possible.

Byron in Exile is a hate mongering racist who can't help but throw 'nigger' around when he's losing a debate.

LovingTongue said:

No, you don't get to twist shit like that.

I said, and I will say again.

Excuse me but how does someone make themselves "the nigger of the General Board"?

I want an answer to that, and the real adult in this crowd will step forward and give an answer to that. The kids will step back and recede into the shadows like you always do.

That Byron referred to a "song" is immaterial at best, he could said 100,000 other things besides call me the 'nigger of the General Board'. But eventually when you grow up and realize what adults realize, you come to see that this is nothing more than a case of using 'nigger' against a black man among a large crowd of Literotica white people who will, as you do, find nothing wrong with hurling racial slurs.

You do not have a problem with calling someone a racial slur. You have solidly demonstrated it here by standing up in defense of Byron's racist behavior.

There is no way in hell anyone will ever repeat his words to anyone in person and not be taken as a racist. It is simply not possible.

Byron in Exile is a hate mongering racist who can't help but throw 'nigger' around when he's losing a debate.

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Yes, because providing context means that you approve of the message.... Obviously.

When you finally do get what you want, which is to goad someone into making an off color or racist comment toward you then you get to spew your own racial vitriol while feeling completely justified.

You constantly try to bait people you KNOW to have bigoted, racist tendencies into calling you a "nigger" so that you can respond in kind. Ishmael on the GB for example. You constantly try to bait him into conflict when you know exactly where it's going to go. You go in spoiling for a fight and you get exactly what you expected, and then get to feel righteous in your own use of racial slurs because "He said it first mom!"

What would a rational person call that sort of behavior I wonder.

Ulaven_Demorte said:

Yes, because providing context means that you approve of the message.... Obviously.

When you finally do get what you want, which is to goad someone into making an off color or racist comment toward you then you get to spew your own racial vitriol while feeling completely justified.

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Oh so it's my fault when they hurl a racial slur when I never hit them with one first?

"He did it first" is not good adult behavior but "he goaded him into it" is? You did just, in fact, say that it is.

I did not goad anyone. I called one man on his past racial slurs while he was trying to act all "nice" to someone else, and Byron came out of nowhere and started hurling racial slurs at me. He was not goaded. He was not provoked. He did that on his own.

You are not only a liar here, you are also a hypocritical pusher of puerile "justifications" that are even more immature than the ones you are condemning. "A goaded B into hurling racial slurs, ergo A deserves ALL the criticism" is your argument now - and it is indeed uber childish.

You constantly try to bait people

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This is not only a lie, it's also FAR WORSE than "he started it".

you KNOW to have bigoted, racist tendencies into calling you a "nigger" so that you can respond in kind. Ishmael on the GB for example. You constantly try to bait him into conflict when you know exactly where it's going to go. You go in spoiling for a fight and you get exactly what you expected, and then get to feel righteous in your own use of racial slurs because "He said it first mom!"

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Liar. I go in to derail one of his pathetic talking points in the same way that everyone else does.

What would a rational person call that sort of behavior I wonder.

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Oh, I'd love to see what people think of your "LT goaded him first!" and your "getting in a heated argument with someone amounts to provoking them into hurling racial slurs" justifications.

You're utterly insane.

You repeatedly goad people that you KNOW will call you a "nigger". You go looking for that reaction so that you can let loose with your own little racist tirade and feel justified in doing so. I don't approve of their reaction any more than I approve of yours.

You KNOW that Ishmael and others will call you by a slur and you repeatedly make threads trying to bait them into conflict..
Like this:
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=544982

or this where you tried to incite an entire group to anger:
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=524616

Or you make login names similar to theirs to make statements for them..
Like this:
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=518043
or this:
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=517761

Nope, you don't go looking for reasons to spew your own racist hatred. it just comes to you.

Ulaven_Demorte said:

You repeatedly goad people that you KNOW will call you a "nigger". You go looking for that reaction so that you can let loose with your own little racist tirade and feel justified in doing so. I don't approve of their reaction any more than I approve of yours.

You KNOW that Ishmael and others will call you by a slur and you repeatedly make threads trying to bait them into conflict..
Like this:
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=544982

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I make fun of a lot of people. How is Ishmael any different?

How is making fun of someone tantamount of baiting them into hurling racial slurs?

or this where you tried to incite an entire group to anger:
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=524616

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There you go, that's much closer. Yeah, I called them rednecks.

So now you are saying I provoked them?

Or you make login names similar to theirs to make statements for them..
Like this:
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=518043
or this:
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=517761

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Yup, I parodied him and his past track record of racial slurs.

Your second example was totally off-base like the first one you posted in this thread. I made fun of Ishmael's intolerance thread. I make fun of a lot of people's threads. Does that mean everyone whom I make fun of is "provoked".

Nope, you don't go looking for reasons to spew your own racist hatred. it just comes to you.

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From opposing "You started it!" to promoting "LovingTongue provoked it!"

You don't even realize how many times you've just shot yourself in the foot.

*chuckle*

Logic is lost on you I see.

You KNOW that certain people will use racial slurs against you.
You actively seek them out and bait them into using a racial slur against you.
You use the response you knew that you would get as reason to unleash your own tirade of racial slurs because you were "provoked" into it.

I say you're both wrong, responding to any provocation with slurs is wrong. It doesn't matter how you were goaded or provoked into it. It doesn't matter if you're responding to someone making fun of you or responding to them using a slur against you.

You're WRONG.

Keep insisting that you're completely justified in using racial slurs. I like seeing you constantly defend that position.

Ulaven_Demorte said:

*chuckle*

Logic is lost on you I see.

You KNOW that certain people will use racial slurs against you.
You actively seek them out and bait them into using a racial slur against you.
You use the response you knew that you would get as reason to unleash your own tirade of racial slurs because you were "provoked" into it.

I say you're both wrong, responding to any provocation with slurs is wrong. It doesn't matter how you were goaded or provoked into it. It doesn't matter if you're responding to someone making fun of you or responding to them using a slur against you.

You're WRONG.

Keep insisting that you're completely justified in using racial slurs. I like seeing you constantly defend that position.

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Your argument is utterly DOA. Night, dude.

Byron In Exile said:

Your entire argument is based on the assumption that they are not subjective.

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I'll type slower for you.

Emotions exist objectively. Yes, they are subjective, that's why they are called feelings, they are felt by the feeler.

As such, Recidivas presumptions of the relative validity or invalidity of LT emotional state are merely the product of her own obtuse emotional state, which displays a singular lack of empathy - if I take her at her word, as she is stating pretty clearly she has no empathy for LT's emotional response, not mcuh guesswork involved, and equally clearly is LT's report that his feeling are indeed hurt, I have no reason to doubt either of them, insofar as these subjective emotions are being felt by them, i.e, that they are real. To them.

Which is to say, certain alleles are expressing certain hormones resulting in somatic responses agonistic or hedonic - respectively, frustrated despondence on one hand, mocking disdain and a mindless sense of entitlement on the other.

Objectively, we could clear this up fairly quickly if I could get Recidiva, LT and about an hour with an MRI machine.

Welcome to the 21st century.

xssve said:

I'll type slower for you.

Emotions exist objectively. Yes, they are subjective, that's why they are called feelings, they are felt by the feeler.

As such, Recidivas presumptions of the relative validity or invalidity of LT emotional state are merely the product of her own obtuse emotional state, which displays a singular lack of empathy - if I take her at her word, as she is stating pretty clearly she has no empathy for LT's emotional response, not mcuh guesswork involved, and equally clearly is LT's report that his feeling are indeed hurt, I have no reason to doubt either of them, insofar as these subjective emotions are being felt by them, i.e, that they are real. To them.

Which is to say, certain alleles are expressing certain hormones resulting in somatic responses agonistic or hedonic - respectively, frustrated despondence on one hand, mocking disdain and a mindless sense of entitlement on the other.

Objectively, we could clear this up fairly quickly if I could get Recidiva, LT and about an hour with an MRI machine.

Welcome to the 21st century.

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Certain alleles are expressing certain hormones resulting in somatic responses agonistic or hedonic?

Are you serious?

You sure you don't want to work something in there with the word "phaser" or "black hole"?

MRI machine? Good lord, man, do you write for "Stargate"?

What a load of crap.

In short, Recidivas entire arguement is based on the notion that she somehow knows what it's like to be a Black male, and to hear that word coming froma dizzy white bitch - objectively.

She doesn't, she can't, and I don't know either, which is why I'm simply choosing to take his at his word, rather than continue to grind away at it and cause him further distress.

It's not that big a fucking deal, has nothing to do with politics, it's simply that I refuse to participate in non-consensual sadism for personal reasons.