AIG and the Nazis

[Ishmael]

What a stink? AIG is/was paying out $165 million in bonuses and you'd of thought they were eating babies if you listened to the polilticos.

I can't help but think that all the rukus is a smoke screen to dilute the news that AIG paid out over $93 Billion to foriegn banks and Goldman-Sachs.

Andrew "The Enforcer" Coumo has given the firm until sundown to cough up the names of the recipients of these bonus payments, and the ammounts, and the names of the executives that signed the contracts and when. I can't think of any law under which he can make such a demand. I can only presume that he is interested in the ammounts so the state can use the yet to be paid taxes for their spending programs.

Meanwhile, Obama blows off about how this is such a travesty while at the same time praising the CEO of AIG in a conference on the same day. What's with this fucking clown anyway?

No one knows the details of the AIG bonuses so this is all a knee jerk reaction. I wonder if it ever occured to the clowns in DC and Albany that there may be divisions within AIG that performed admirably. Or that perhaps some of those bonuses were being paid to 'stop loss' specialists? Nah, that never crossed their minds before they engaged their mouths.

I wonder if it occured to them that should they do anything other than just blow off their mouths that they could be setting AIG up for HUGE class actions suits with treble damages on the table? Nah, that never crossed their minds either. You can bet your sweet ass there are legal firms out there gaming how to sign up the victims should AIG be forced to violate the terms of those contracts. How much will those litigations cost the taxpayer to keep the company that's "to big to fail" afloat? And just how willing do you think those legal eagles will be to settle out of court knowing the US Treasury is picking up the tab? Apparently your elected officials don't give a shit. It's the 'principle' of the thing and in the long run what do they care, it's your money.

And everyone forgets who the CEO of AIG was that was at the helm when the collapse came, or how he came to be there. That's a story unto itself.

Ishmael

 

[Lancecastor]

And what if AIG has contracts with Aliens?

If they break those, there could be treble damages AND intergalactic war!

By the way, you now owe Siren a royalty cheque for using her phrase "treble damages"...unless of course you were Siren (which would make sense) in which case, pay yourself later when you put your skirt on.

You crazed fucker...where do you get this shit?

 

[Ishmael]

And what if AIG has contracts with Aliens?

If they break those, there could be treble damages AND intergalactic war!

By the way, you now owe Siren a royalty cheque for using her phrase "treble damages"...unless of course you were Siren (which would make sense) in which case, pay yourself later when you put your skirt on.

You crazed fucker...where do you get this shit?

Did she use that? Never noticed.

Go after the substance Lance. If you can't, well, you can't.

Ishmael

 

[Lancecastor]

Okay Recidiva...ha!

I don't spend that much time here any more, so if you could just jump ahead to your Nazi Aha Moment, that'd be swell....cuz I'm not up for 12 pages of your Mysto Baloney tonite...too busy.

Thanks.

 

[Ishmael]

Okay Recidiva...ha!

I don't spend that much time here any more, so if you could just jump ahead to your Nazi Aha Moment, that'd be swell....cuz I'm not up for 12 pages of your Mysto Baloney tonite...too busy.

Thanks.

Then why did you even bother posting? You could have checked the thread tomorrow. Or maybe you just wanted to hear the sound of your own typing.

Ishmael

 

[Lancecastor]

Just trying to keep it up top of the heap for you, man...so if you can send me the spoiler, that'd be cool.

 

[Ishmael]

Just trying to keep it up top of the heap for you, man...so if you can send me the spoiler, that'd be cool.

Nah, why should I? You're having way too much fun playing the "Ishmael Alt. Game." sean keeps a list of ALL my alts. You really should PM him about the Reci alt. I'm sure he'd be ever so appreciative.

Ishmael

 

[Lancecastor]

Oh, don't be a bitch...don't make me play Where's Waldheim.

 

[Ishmael]

Oh, don't be a bitch...don't make me play Where's Waldheim.

Oh you're such a slut. You're dying to play.

Ishmael

 

[Lancecastor]

Oh you're such a slut. You're dying to play.

Ishmael

Well, I do want your thread to succeed, but on my terms.

These numbers and long quotes with the Aha Moment...we need to freshen you up for Sping, give you a non-sequitur creativity to help you appeal to the kids again.

 

[Ishmael]

Well, I do want your thread to succeed, but on my terms.

These numbers and long quotes with the Aha Moment...we need to freshen you up for Sping, give you a non-sequitur creativity to help you appeal to the kids again.

I'm not even interested in 'appealing' to the kids.

Ishmael

 

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[Lancecastor]

I'm not even interested in 'appealing' to the kids.

Ishmael

Buzzy Krongard & Cornelius Starr?

That's some pretty crazed shit there, Hunter S Ishmael...interesting history though.

If Americans really knew what goes on...do you think there would be a civil war in the USA?

Or would the whole thing collapse into socialism and/or facism due to lost confidence?

 

[Ishmael]

Buzzy Krongard & Cornelius Starr?

That's some pretty crazed shit there, Hunter S Ishmael...interesting history though.

If Americans really knew what goes on...do you think there would be a civil war in the USA?

Or would the whole thing collapse into socialism and/or facism due to lost confidence?

Hard telling right now. The younger generation has been so thoroughly indoctrinated by the government schools that they don't know whether they're coming or going. If you ask them about their Social Security they, as a class, express absolutely no expectations of ever seeing a penny. But when various proposals are made to change that, they rebel against the change and for the status quo with speed of light knee jerks. They don't trust the government on the one hand, but want the government of take control of their lives on the other. Indeed, in the form of socialized medicine they're willing to put their very lives in the hands of the government. They remind me of a herd of pigs with a corn field on one side and a trough full of corn on the other. They mill around in the middle and starve to death out of indecision.

Right now Facisim looks like it has the upper hand. At least from the standpoint of the economy. Throw in some of the social aspects of socialism/communism and you have the current mix. Not all that surprising in that both doctrines sprang from the same philosophy.

AIG now has a government appointed CEO. And I'm sure that that seems only fitting considering the money that's been thrown at them. And one of the reasons that Obama praised the CEO while raising hell about the bonuses. It HAS to be obvious to the most casual observer that AIG is now a hostage to political gamesmenship. Does anyone think that GM and Chrysler are going to be handled differently? Does anyone truly believe that 'cap-n-trade' isn't going to be the prequel to a move on the power industry?

Me? I'd like to see a convocation of a Constitutional convention. But the states are 4 states short of that happening. As long as the populous democrat controled states are hanging off the federal teat there's little chance of that changing.

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

Additionally, those bonuses are only one tenth of one percent of the money loaned to AIG, what about the money they paid to foreign banks. The Dems are going to try and violate the Constitution to get the bonuses back. Those bonuses were contracted before the bailout, they will be paid.

We shall see. Either outright or via a lawsuit.

Ishmael

 

[richard_daily]

I'm not even interested in 'appealing' to the kids.

Ishmael

You don't have anything to worry about.

 

[Ishmael]

You don't have anything to worry about.

What ever made you think I was worried Dicker?

Well thought out contribution to the thread.

Ishmael

 

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[CaptainKirk]

Additionally, those bonuses are only one tenth of one percent of the money loaned to AIG, what about the money they paid to foreign banks. The Dems are going to try and violate the Constitution to get the bonuses back. Those bonuses were contracted before the bailout, they will be paid.

Let's see if I've got this: since the contracts were already agreed upon and signed, AIG is under obligation to pay out those bonuses no matter what has happened to the financial market. If they don't, those who are on the receiving end of those payouts could take them to court and sue for those bonuses and perks as agreed upon contractually.

So does this means I, and the rest of us auto workers, can sue GM, Ford, and Chrysler if they don't live up to the agreements in our contract? The same contract mutually agreed upon and signed before the bailouts began? A contract which, as we speak, is being knifed into with an industrial laser by the Big Three?


...oh, that's right; I forgot. We're just "little people". Apparently, we don't count.

Sorry, my mistake.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Let's see if I've got this: since the contracts were already agreed upon and signed, AIG is under obligation to pay out those bonuses no matter what has happened to the financial market. If they don't, those who are on the receiving end of those payouts could take them to court and sue for those bonuses and perks as agreed upon contractually.

So does this means I, and the rest of us auto workers, can sue GM, Ford, and Chrysler if they don't live up to the agreements in our contract? The same contract mutually agreed upon and signed before the bailouts began? A contract which, as we speak, is being knifed into with an industrial laser by the Big Three?


...oh, that's right; I forgot. We're just "little people". Apparently, we don't count.

Sorry, my mistake.

You probably don't have an employment contract - your union has a contract with the Big Three. If your union sells you out, sue the union.

 

[Medikated]

Oh you mentioned Nazis, that means LovelyNice will be here with bell's on.....

 

[CaptainKirk]

You probably don't have an employment contract - your union has a contract with the Big Three. If your union sells you out, sue the union.

Even better.

 

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[Slowlane]

I don't know enough about it have a fit. If the bonuses were part of a contract then they need to be paid. I assume they are going to those who made the company money and may be a percentage of some sort.

I've heard Obummer whining about them but I've heard nothing of any attempt to find out the rational behind them. A typical knee-jerk reaction.

 

[Wok]

I don't know enough about it have a fit. If the bonuses were part of a contract then they need to be paid. I assume they are going to those who made the company money and may be a percentage of some sort.

I've heard Obummer whining about them but I've heard nothing of any attempt to find out the rational behind them. A typical knee-jerk reaction.

It was asked several times who or where the money went to, be it regular employees, top executives or whatnot. The problem could have easily been avoided if the company declared bankruptcy.