ZELL MILLER TO SWITCH?

[Todd]

Bill Shipp’s politicial newsletter is reporting that Zell Miller is about to switch to the Republican Party. If Miller does, in fact, make the switch he will then Miller denies it … so far. The move would be made next year, so it will be a while before we know. It certainly wouldn’t portend well for Democratic Party efforts in the next Georgia election.

The driving factor here is the consistent haranguing Miller has received from his fellow Democrats for his support of several Bush initiatives, including the tax cut.

Now, here’s the class-act part of this story. If Miller does decide to make the shift, he will actually resign his seat and run in a special election next year. He wants the voters to decide whether or not they want a Republican in his seat. Compare this to the actions of Cobb County reprobate Randy Sauder.

Democrats in Georgia have to be frightened. Zell Miller has the highest approval ratings of any elected official in or from Georgia. If he’s on the ticket as a Republican next year it won’t be all that helpful for Max Cleland.

 

[Lost Soul]

I heard this as well and with New Jersey's Senator in trouble and most likey leaving to have his seat filled by a Republican governor the GOP will have full control.

Things will be interesting.

 

[lavender]

 

[Andra_Jenny]

The GOP cannot take control of a cluster-fuck. It appears that as long as there is one liberal left anywhere in office, they will bend over backwards to accomodate them and offer thier constituency bigger and better handouts in order to buy their vote.

 

[Todd]

Interesting.

That's one way of putting it.

yup

 

[morninggirl5]

Normally try to stay out of political discussions, but what the heck.

Zell's nickname here in Georgia is Zig-Zag Zell for the way he flip flops all over the place on important issues. And those approval ratings are not for anything he's done as a senator, they're left overs from his terms as governor. (And wasn't that a lovely zig-zag, too. When he left office, he said he'd never seek public office again. Oh yeah, that was like his promise to not run for re-election as governor... and...)

 

[Guest]

...in order to buy their vote.

At least the Democrats care about votes and voters. Last time I checked, the current GOP president lost the election but used his father's connections to have himself appointed by a court. There is no more corrupt president in the history of the United States than the one who sits in the White House today. Nixon is a saint by comparison.

 

[WriterDom]

...in order to buy their vote.

At least the Democrats care about votes and voters. Last time I checked, the current GOP president lost the election but used his father's connections to have himself appointed by a court. There is no more corrupt president in the history of the United States than the one who sits in the White House today. Nixon is a saint by comparison.

Gore would have won but I guess they ran out of smokes to bribe the homeless with. But he did do a good job of fucking the military voters. Pretty good for a poor child growing up in a Washington hotel room.

 

[Weevil]

At least the Democrats care about votes and voters. Last time I checked, the current GOP president lost the election but used his father's connections to have himself appointed by a court. There is no more corrupt president in the history of the United States than the one who sits in the White House today. Nixon is a saint by comparison.

A few things, my friend. First, like it or lump it, Bush did win the election. One could argue about whether it was fairly won or what not but he did win. Secondly, Do you mean corrupt as in his dealings or in the way he won the office? Regardless I would disagree with you on both counts. Kennedy won the office in a less honest manner, as did Ford and Hayes. As to the other question, I think Nixon is much worse than Dubya. Grant, Jackson and Harding were much slimier than Dubya is as well.

 

[Weevil]

Gore would have won but I guess they ran out of smokes to bribe the homeless with. But he did do a good job of fucking the military voters. Pretty good for a poor child growing up in a Washington hotel room.

I can't comment on your Homeless allegations but I don't think it matters. I do think Dubya won Florida and as such, Won the White House.

Regardless, I think its important to note that ol' Al (Who I don't like much) would have won in a one voter-one vote system. As much as it doesn't give him the office, It should hold some weight.

The Problem with Dubya pretending like he got 70% of the vote is that it furthers the impression that the GOP is a Rich and White Boys Club. Gore destroyed Bush when it came to Hispanics, Blacks and Women. He won the lower income votes. Bush enacting the policies he has, without the support he should have, will only entrench those groups with the Democrats.

 

[WriterDom]

Much will depend on the economy in 2003/2004. I see a far greater chance of bush doing better than 9 to 90 among blacks and the 38 -61 among hispanics than losing any of his core support.

 

[Weevil]

Yes and no. I don't think the Repubs will make legitimate strides with the minority population until they make convincing strides to show that they aren't a party of rich old white racists

 

[DevilMayCare]

Damn Todd. I read the title of this thread and thought you were going to tell us Zell is about to undergo a sex change operation! I almost had a heart attack.

Of course, some might think it would require an operation to become a Republican. I think it's called a lobotomy.

I, personally don't know about these things. The devil made me do it.

 

[SirGalahad67]

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Regardless, I think its important to note that ol' Al (Who I don't like much) would have won in a one voter-one vote system. As much as it doesn't give him the office, It should hold some weight.


B]

Interesting, but not provable in any sense if you actually use logic (which I know most Democrats never do, at least not since Hubert Humphrey days
If the election had been held under different rules, then both campaigns, but especially Bush's , would have been run differently so you can GUESS what would have happened, but you can no more prove it than I can prove the WWII might have turned out differently if we had lost such and such a battle, etc.
What if is best left to the province of Science Fiction Writers and the Mind of God, so If you want to preface an argument about the election by saying, ...well, if the rules had been diff Gore would have won...well all I can say is, that seems REAL shaky ground to me.
No offense,
Sir G

 

[SirGalahad67]

Yes and no. I don't think the Repubs will make legitimate strides with the minority population until they make convincing strides to show that they aren't a party of rich old white racists

As WriterDom says, if the economy is good, Bush will do better among African - Americans and Hispanics because (except for those who are brain dead) they will ignore the liberal left wing media that tries to force the idea of a benign sweet caring Democratic party down their throat while trying to paint Reps as mean old white boy racists (hah that's a good one). I mean after a while even brain washed people start to realize real (as opposed to made up) facts.
And any one who lumps all minorities into one group has no understanding of human social and political dynamics. My guess is Bush wins the Hispanic and Asian vote next time, whether or not he improves his African American percentage.

Just my HO,
Sir G
PS notice how kind the Democrats were to my man Maynard Jackson when he tried to run for chairman of the party. It was "no southern black guys need apply-we got our little white boy moneyraiser-so forget it Maynard"
How's that fit into the "we love minorities more than Bush" fallacy? Hmm...

 

[WriterDom]

We can't win.

Bush appoints a Black, born in Harlem, to Sec of State, and all of a sudden he isn't a true African-American because the boat that brought his ancestors over stopped a few hundred miles off the coast and dumped them on an island.

 

[SirGalahad67]

We can't win.

Bush appoints a Black, born in Harlem, to Sec of State, and all of a sudden he isn't a true African-American because the boat that brought his ancestors over stopped a few hundred miles off the coast and dumped them on an island.

True, and Condolezza Rice (sp?) doesn't count cause....why? cause she's a girl? or cause she didn't go to the right (make that left) college?
George Will once made a great comeback to all this "bad racist Republican" garbage...
He asked Sam Donaldson - "Now tell me again who is the most admired and popular person in America? Micheal Jordan? Colin Powell? Tiger Woods?" Of course, Sammy had no comment cause that wouldn't prove his "all Americans are racist" argument.
But of course, we won't win on this one either...
Hi WD, hope you're doing well ......
Sir (as one evil reactionary to another) G

 

[lavender]

 

[WriterDom]

Of course, some might think it would require an operation to become a Republican. I think it's called a lobotomy.

Speaking of a lobotomy. Have any of you guys seen the Woody Allen movie, Everyone Says I Love You?

Well it's great. Alan Alda and Goldie Hawn play this ultra-liberal rich couple in New York. Their son is the only one of the members of the family who is conservative, and he's probably more staunchly conservative than Todd, PC & WD altogether.

So at the end of the movie, the conservative son passes out. They realize he's had a blocked artery to the brain, that hasn't allowed oxygen to pass through. After he was in the hospital, and blood was flowing back to his brain, he was liberal once again.

I'm the tangent queen I suppose. But the thought of a lobotomy being a necessary requirement to become a Republican made me think of that hilarious scene. Ah, the humor in politics.

Did the pedophile write and direct the movie?

 

[lavender]

 

[WriterDom]

Normally I separate the artist from the creation.

If we tried to discredit every piece of music, literature, film, or theatre based upon the creator's personal life, we would have lost a very critical component of our cultural history.

So did the pedophile write and direct the movie?

 

[lavender]

 

[Weevil]

Interesting, but not provable in any sense if you actually use logic (which I know most Democrats never do, at least not since Hubert Humphrey days
If the election had been held under different rules, then both campaigns, but especially Bush's , would have been run differently so you can GUESS what would have happened, but you can no more prove it than I can prove the WWII might have turned out differently if we had lost such and such a battle, etc.
What if is best left to the province of Science Fiction Writers and the Mind of God, so If you want to preface an argument about the election by saying, ...well, if the rules had been diff Gore would have won...well all I can say is, that seems REAL shaky ground to me.
No offense,
Sir G

First, I'm not a Democrat. Second, You might be right about Bush running different if the one voter-one vote system were in place and that would be relevant if I was trying to say that Al Gore should be in the White House.

My point was that more American voters wanted Al Gore to be president than W and that it should have given your New president some pause in his conduct. It should have been obvious that W didn't have a mandate to make sweeping changes but, well, I guess that nothing is obvious to him.

 

[Weevil]

We can't win.

Bush appoints a Black, born in Harlem, to Sec of State, and all of a sudden he isn't a true African-American because the boat that brought his ancestors over stopped a few hundred miles off the coast and dumped them on an island.

True, and Condolezza Rice (sp?) doesn't count cause....why? cause she's a girl? or cause she didn't go to the right (make that left) college?
George Will once made a great comeback to all this "bad racist Republican" garbage...
He asked Sam Donaldson - "Now tell me again who is the most admired and popular person in America? Micheal Jordan? Colin Powell? Tiger Woods?" Of course, Sammy had no comment cause that wouldn't prove his "all Americans are racist" argument.

A few things about this one. Firstly, the Cabinet appointments are good and there are a lot of people(Well, Powell anyway) in the cabinet who are pretty good folk. That being said the reason that the Republikans aren't getting credit for them is because the smell so obviously of tokenization. Were these appointments simply said to be good appointments it would be fine but every GOP booster commented on how "Multicultural" his appointments were and how diverse they were. Well, Black people aren't so stupid as to think that a black puppet speaking the same ol', same ol' is any better for them. These appointments were made simply to "Unicef"-up his cabinet and try to appeal to minorities. The only way to actually win over people is to change policy, not just by changing the colour of the person breaking the bad news.

Second, It may have been confusing but I don't think there is more racism on the right in Amerika than the Left. I don't think that Dems are substantially better on out and out racism(Although they are head and shoulders better on homophobia) However the perception that there is more on the GOP is something that the Repubs have to work out. Electing a VP who voted against Sanctions for South Africa to end Apartheid isn't a good step.

Also, as long as the Dems are better for the poor than they'll keep winning the poor. As long as the poor is heavily minority........ Well you get my drift.

 

[Weevil]

So did the pedophile write and direct the movie?

And you know, I heard that rabble-rouser Martin Luther King cheated on his wife.