You're kidding me right?

[SeaCat]

I'm sure you have all heard about the Oil Rig that blew in the gulf. Well it has sunk and there are still 11 people missing. (The thought is they were never able to get off the rig.) The Coast Guard is still searching for them.

No one knows why the rig blew but they think it might have been a Blow Out.

What gets me though is there is already a law suit against both BP and the company that owns the rig for negligence. The lawsuit is being filed on behalf of one of the missing crew members and his wife. The lawsuit claimes that he was blown off the rig by the explosion.

To my way of thinking the court should tell the lawyer bringing this lawsuit to show his evidence immediatly or be disbarred immediately. (Although what would be even better is if the missing were all found, and the guy in who's behalf the lawyer is filing this lawsuit were to sue the lawyer.)

Cat

 

[TE999]

I'm sure you have all heard about the Oil Rig that blew in the gulf. Well it has sunk and there are still 11 people missing. (The thought is they were never able to get off the rig.) The Coast Guard is still searching for them.

No one knows why the rig blew but they think it might have been a Blow Out.

What gets me though is there is already a law suit against both BP and the company that owns the rig for negligence. The lawsuit is being filed on behalf of one of the missing crew members and his wife. The lawsuit claimes that he was blown off the rig by the explosion.

To my way of thinking the court should tell the lawyer bringing this lawsuit to show his evidence immediatly or be disbarred immediately. (Although what would be even better is if the missing were all found, and the guy in who's behalf the lawyer is filing this lawsuit were to sue the lawyer.)

Cat

They don't call lawyers 'ambulance chasers' for nothing. The wreckage hasn't even cooled and already it's negligence?

 

[stephen55]

Lawyers seldom care about who is responsible for a problem. They care very much about who is liable.

 

[DeeZire]

Seacat - What if some of the missing dude's workmates already talked to the wife and told her they saw the guy go up in flames, and what if it was, indeed, negligence that caused the explosion? Would a lawsuit still be justified, or are you saying that lawsuits in general should be banned?

As we have seen in the Massey mine explosion, worker safety doesn't always survive a cost-benefit analysis. In other words, if it's cheaper to pay out for a few wrongful deaths now and then than it would be to maintain a safe work environment, an unscrupulous company like Massey will go for whatever maximizes the bottom line.

 

[amicus]

There have been a dozen or so television programs concerning the off-shore rigs; those that prospect for oil and gas, those that actually drill and those the build the underwater pipelines to transport to product to land.

Every stage is fraught with continual danger and safety, in all phases of each operation, is the number one concern.

Accidents do happen, regardless of safety measures, and insurance is always in place, if not required, then as a general business practice, to compensate all involved.

There is no replacing a human life and little solace for a badly burned employee or manager, but life is a gamble, there are always risks in any endeavor. I suppose one can think mankind should just sit around a campfire an smoke the indigenous week, but even then, there is a risk of a spark from the campfire getting into the folds of your animal hide blouse.

If you have experience on the big rigs, either bullding or operating them, or if you have seen some of the documentaries, it is an amazing and almost astounding technology that ends up running your computer and keeping you warm at night.

Amicus

 

[DeeZire]

There is no replacing a human life...

Just out of curiosity Ami, how does Ayn Rand justify the taking of human lives in the act of making commerce profitable, especially in the context of the sanctity of human life you're so adamant about?

I guess question number two would be: Is the sanctity of human life a core value in Ayn Rand's teachings, or have you ventured off on your own with that crazy notion?

(These questions are also for Stephen, who seems to have a knack for channeling Randian philosophy while adding some much needed comic relief.)

 

[trysail]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=conewsstory&tkr=RIG:US&sid=aB5AXN3wbwVQ


Cat-

I, too, saw the report that a suit had already been filed. After shaking my head in disgust at the kind of lowlife involved in this behavior, I continued reading the article.

...“Shane Roshto was thrown overboard by the force of the drilling explosion, and his body has not yet been located,’’ Scott Bickford, a lawyer representing the Roshto family, said in the complaint. “The whereabouts of many crew members are still unknown.’’

Bickford said the accident was caused by “defendants’ violation of numerous statutes and regulations, including, but not limited to” those issued by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration and the Coast Guard. Bickford didn’t specify details of these alleged violations...

It almost goes without saying that— at this point— the ambulance chaser, Scott Bickford, Esq., hasn't got a goddamned clue what caused the accident. This is an obvious case of "file first, investigate later." That, of course, has become S.O.P. for the slip-and-fall gang.


I was rewarded for my patience in continuing to read the article when I came to this little gem,

... Should Roshto be found alive, the lawsuit asks that Transocean provide him with $40 per day of maintenance support and full medical benefits “until such time as he reaches maximum medical cure as determined by his treating physician.”...

That completely cracked me up. It is a clear admission that the sleazy bastard Bickford has no clue ( and could care less ) if Mr. Roshto is actually dead or alive. Scott Bickford, Esq. is obviously trying to cover all the eventualities. After reading of Mr. Bickford's actions and statements, I felt an urge to wash my hands, gargle some mouthwash and put on a set of fresh clothes. I can't help but wonder if Scott Bickford, Esq. leaves a slime trail behind when he moves.


Beyond a basic humanitarian wish that Shane Roshto is found alive and unharmed, what warms my heart is an image of Mr. Roshto confronting Scott Bickford, Esq. after learning that Bickford didn't have the common decency to wait a mere twenty-four hours before presuming him dead and running down to the courthouse as fast as his slimey little legs could carry him. THAT MEETING would be worth the price of admission.


Should you or anyone else feel inclined to send a message of your high esteem and personal regard for Scott Bickford, Esq., feel free to visit his website at:
http://www.mbfirm.com/attorneys.php
Telephone: 504-581-9065
E-mail: mb@mbfirm.com


He looks like a really swell guy.

 

[amicus]

Chuckles....

 

[DeeZire]

Hey Trysail - you're an expert on the cost-benefit analysis. How would you answer the question I posed to Ami, (since he either has me on ignore, or he's afraid to address the obvious hypocrisy of his ideology.) What is the value of a human life these days? Does if vary according to lost income, the way it did when the 9/11 fund was doling out millions to dead Wall Street execs, and considerably less to the janitors who cleaned their offices?

 

[TE999]

Q. Why don't sharks eat lawyers?
A. Professional courtesy.

Q. What do you call 100 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?
A. A good start.

Q. What's the difference between a lawyer and a rattlesnake?
A. The rattles.

 

[SeaCat]

DeeZire, let's keep our politics and personal feelings out of this shall we?

What I'm talking about here is the feeling of too many lawyers. Easy money can be made from anyone who might possibly be at fault no matter the circumstances. (Yes I'm a big fan of Tort Reform and have a disgust of lawsuits in general.)

Here we have an explosion on an Oil Rig. The explosions cause has not been determined yet. (The ideas so far is that the rig drilled into a pocket of gas unexpectedly and this gas caused the explosion.) Eleven people are missing, what has happened to these people is not known, they might be alive.

Now this lawyer has filed a lawsuit against the company which hired the platform as well as the company that owns the platform. This lawyer is claiming negligence on the part of both of these entities. It, (the lawyer) is claiming that the worker was blown overboard by the explosion, which shows negligence on the part of the owner and the renter.

Nothing has been said in the media by any of the survivors other than this was unexpected. Hell the lawyer filed this before most of the survivors were on land, so where did he/she get their information?

Cat

 

[DeeZire]

DeeZire, let's keep our politics and personal feelings out of this shall we?

You didn't notice Trysail's or TE999's politics and personal feelings in the previous posts?

I have been asking relevant question, in a civil manner. Isn't that the point of these discussion? Or is it supposed to be a one-sided lets-shoot-all-the-lawyers thread? If that's the case, I think you'd have better luck over at RedState.com.

While I'm asking questions (and getting no answers) what would you do, Seacat, if your son was one of the missing? Would you shrug your shoulders and chalk it up to bad luck? What if you had inside information from one of the survivors? In an earlier posting of the story, it mentioned a 3 hour passage of time between the initial explosion and the catastrophic explosion that lit up the platform. Perhaps something happened during those three hours that gave the lawyer cause to file the suit. I'm sure we'll know in a few days. Until then, speculation about the validity of the claim is just that - speculation. If that speculation includes grouping all lawyers together and asserting they're all amoral scumbags, you can expect people like me to crash your party.

 

[Boxlicker101]

DeeZire, let's keep our politics and personal feelings out of this shall we?

What I'm talking about here is the feeling of too many lawyers. Easy money can be made from anyone who might possibly be at fault no matter the circumstances. (Yes I'm a big fan of Tort Reform and have a disgust of lawsuits in general.)

Here we have an explosion on an Oil Rig. The explosions cause has not been determined yet. (The ideas so far is that the rig drilled into a pocket of gas unexpectedly and this gas caused the explosion.) Eleven people are missing, what has happened to these people is not known, they might be alive.

Now this lawyer has filed a lawsuit against the company which hired the platform as well as the company that owns the platform. This lawyer is claiming negligence on the part of both of these entities. It, (the lawyer) is claiming that the worker was blown overboard by the explosion, which shows negligence on the part of the owner and the renter.

Nothing has been said in the media by any of the survivors other than this was unexpected. Hell the lawyer filed this before most of the survivors were on land, so where did he/she get their information?

Cat

I agree with you, Seacat, and I wish Dee would keep his politics out of this one. Working on an oil rig is a dangerous occupation, and a high paid one, and all the workers know it. I have no idea if there was any negligence or not, and neither does anybody else so far. Bickford is strictly a sleazeball. He is one of the 99% of the legaql profession who give the rest a bad reputation.

Personally, I believe the second and third lowest scumballs are lawyers and politicians, The lowest of all are lawyers who are also politicians.

 

[Boxlicker101]

You didn't notice Trysail's or TE999's politics and personal feelings in the previous posts?

I have been asking relevant question, in a civil manner. Isn't that the point of these discussion? Or is it supposed to be a one-sided lets-shoot-all-the-lawyers thread? If that's the case, I think you'd have better luck over at RedState.com.

While I'm asking questions (and getting no answers) what would you do, Seacat, if your son was one of the missing? Would you shrug your shoulders and chalk it up to bad luck? What if you had inside information from one of the survivors? In an earlier posting of the story, it mentioned a 3 hour passage of time between the initial explosion and the catastrophic explosion that lit up the platform. Perhaps something happened during those three hours that gave the lawyer cause to file the suit. I'm sure we'll know in a few days. Until then, speculation about the validity of the claim is just that - speculation. If that speculation includes grouping all lawyers together and asserting they're all amoral scumbags, you can expect people like me to crash your party.

Personal feelings have been mentioned, but not politics.

 

[stephen55]

Have you ever wondered why, in a courtroom, the lawyers don't have to swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

 

[TE999]

Lawyers are akin to pistols and pit bulls in the sense that you don't want to be facing one but when you need one it's good to have it in front of you. Some are honorable and some will do anything for a buck. These slip-and-fall artists are at the bottom of the lawyerly food chain, just a little lower than the class action lawsuit types and they both advertise on TV soliciting clients.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I agree with you, Seacat, and I wish Dee would keep his politics out of this one. Working on an oil rig is a dangerous occupation, and a high paid one, and all the workers know it. I have no idea if there was any negligence or not, and neither does anybody else so far. Bickford is strictly a sleazeball. He is one of the 99% of the legaql profession who give the rest a bad reputation.

Personally, I believe the second and third lowest scumballs are lawyers and politicians, The lowest of all are lawyers who are also politicians.

there's something funny about that line, but I can't stop laughing long enough to explicate it.

 

[Weird Harold]

Lawyers are akin to pistols and pit bulls in the sense that you don't want to be facing one but when you need one it's good to have it in front of you. Some are honorable and some will do anything for a buck. These slip-and-fall artists are at the bottom of the lawyerly food chain, just a little lower than the class action lawsuit types and they both advertise on TV soliciting clients.

I suspect the potential for being the lead case in a class-action negligence claim is the reason for this particular suit being filed so quickly. i.e. this individual is the bottom rather than near the bottom.

 

[lisa123414]

I'm sure you have all heard about the Oil Rig that blew in the gulf. Well it has sunk and there are still 11 people missing. (The thought is they were never able to get off the rig.) The Coast Guard is still searching for them.

No one knows why the rig blew but they think it might have been a Blow Out.

What gets me though is there is already a law suit against both BP and the company that owns the rig for negligence. The lawsuit is being filed on behalf of one of the missing crew members and his wife. The lawsuit claimes that he was blown off the rig by the explosion.

To my way of thinking the court should tell the lawyer bringing this lawsuit to show his evidence immediatly or be disbarred immediately. (Although what would be even better is if the missing were all found, and the guy in who's behalf the lawyer is filing this lawsuit were to sue the lawyer.)

Cat

It's the land of the innocent until proven guilty taken to the max, it is where we live.

 

[DeeZire]

I agree with you, Seacat, and I wish Dee would keep his politics out of this one. ...

You can't remove politics from this issue because all the lawyers are doing is working within the framework provided by politicians who passed the legislation enabling the lawyers to ply their craft. Perhaps instead of griping helplessly about lawyers abusing their position in society, you could consider solutions? How would you propose to reign in lawyers while still maintaining constitutional protections for victims of corporate malfeasance?

 

[DeeZire]

Working on an oil rig is a dangerous occupation, and a high paid one, and all the workers know it.

$40K to $60K per year is considered a high-paying profession? Compared to the millions they pay the CEO's, I'd say it's a rather low-paying profession.

 

[stephen55]

You've obviously never done it.....

I suppose one can think mankind should just sit around a campfire an (sic) smoke the indigenous week (sic), but even then, there is a risk of a spark from the campfire getting into the folds of your animal hide blouse.

I tried that once. Up here, the lingua franca for the indigenous weed is kinnickinnick. That is, anything you can scrounge up and put a flame to, mixed with tobacco or taken straight. The chattering class has tried to abscond with the word by applying it to specific botanicals such as Arctostaphylos uva-ursi or Cornus stolonijra, but the word really means "mixture". Various leaves and barks are used depending on one's location in the great outdoors.

Trust me on this...the risks involved with getting an animal hide for a blouse far outweigh the risks of getting a campfire spark into it's folds. You try for the latest fashion statement amongst the Hunter Gatherers, a Grizzly Bear blouse, and then try to tell me that you're more at risk from a few sparks around the campfire while you tell lies about your last fishing trip.

So there I was, stuffing kinnickinnick (my personal mixture from Sheffield and Sons, Tobacconists) into my hand made Stone Sheep horn pipe (another story), wearing my still bloody Grizzly Bear hide blouse when Damn!!...a spark from the campfire landed in it's folds. Few things smell worse than burning Grizzly Bear hairs. (One thing that does is Grizzly Bear breath. It's indescribably bad.) It's what happens when you let some city slicker collect the firewood. (Pine fires spark; birch fires don't.) After dousing the smoldering hide with my glass of pure, clean alpine creek water (one part water, five parts Oban), I realized that I was wearing my blouse inside out.

Now that I only wear my Grizzly Bear blouse with the fur on the inside while I lie about my fishing trips, even a pine campfire holds no terrors.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I simply adore the complete non-existence of amicus, thanks to this plugin. Not only do I never see his posts but I never see him via the quote finction in other people's posts.

That said, Stephen you make me want to go camping again, it's been decades since I have...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I've worked with plenty of lawyers, and there's no better sport than being a witness at a trial. Lawyers arent smart theyre aggressive, and you can fuck them if you conceal your cards and consider the various meanings of their questions, then answer the question in a way that makes them look like fools.

 

[Boxlicker101]

You can't remove politics from this issue because all the lawyers are doing is working within the framework provided by politicians who passed the legislation enabling the lawyers to ply their craft. Perhaps instead of griping helplessly about lawyers abusing their position in society, you could consider solutions? How would you propose to reign in lawyers while still maintaining constitutional protections for victims of corporate malfeasance?

Tort reform. Possibly fining or even disbarring those lawyers who file lawsuits with no validity. BTW, I don't know if the lawsuits in question have any validity or not, and neither did the lawyer when he filed them.