SINthysist
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Personally I use SCMP a lot, as well as Drudge, et. al. WorldTribune.com, API, UPI, REUTERS wires.
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The collection of, decyphering of and presentaiton of news.....
as done by any single or group of human beings - can never, ever, ever be - "totally objective." It's impossible for any human "to not" bring some human baggage, prejudice - to any news story. It's impossible.
There are though - some groups/organizations who hold higher reputations than other competing groups.
I work in the business and I can tell you that "occording to how they feel about themselves and there competitive peers," journalists heap pride for most opjectivity, mostly upon on the large news agencies you've mentioned.
Next best would be the larger print outfits, the newpapers.
Next the monthly/bi-monthly print magazines.
Next up toward the top would be PBS TV - Jim Leher. This sits right in there with NPR too.
Then there's the big 3 and there cable competitors all running about neck in neck. That's for respect only. The big three still win the public numbers because of tradition and still - lots of people don't have cable.
The last and way last are the Brit rags, radio personalty driven news talk shows and interntet wannabe's. They have virtually no credibility relative to other journalists. Sure they can be fun to read but noboby in this business puts much stock behind any of them. This will probably, very gradually change. But they have a long way to go before anybody but an audience who "wants to hear what they are saying," will give them much respect.
as done by any single or group of human beings - can never, ever, ever be - "totally objective." It's impossible for any human "to not" bring some human baggage, prejudice - to any news story. It's impossible.
There are though - some groups/organizations who hold higher reputations than other competing groups.
I work in the business and I can tell you that "occording to how they feel about themselves and there competitive peers," journalists heap pride for most opjectivity, mostly upon on the large news agencies you've mentioned.
Next best would be the larger print outfits, the newpapers.
Next the monthly/bi-monthly print magazines.
Next up toward the top would be PBS TV - Jim Leher. This sits right in there with NPR too.
Then there's the big 3 and there cable competitors all running about neck in neck. That's for respect only. The big three still win the public numbers because of tradition and still - lots of people don't have cable.
The last and way last are the Brit rags, radio personalty driven news talk shows and interntet wannabe's. They have virtually no credibility relative to other journalists. Sure they can be fun to read but noboby in this business puts much stock behind any of them. This will probably, very gradually change. But they have a long way to go before anybody but an audience who "wants to hear what they are saying," will give them much respect.
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Thanks for jogging my memory...
I should have added PBS/NPR.
But you are right. That is exactly the point I wished to make. Well, maybe not exactly....
I should have added PBS/NPR.
But you are right. That is exactly the point I wished to make. Well, maybe not exactly....
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By the way, I've met them all. Had a drink with many. Worked with many.
From every news medium there is. I've met Drudge and Rush. Larry King too. Andy Roonie and everyone at 60 minutes. I've done a bit of work for Tim Russert and Robin McNeal. I've shot photos of all the top 3 TV anchors. Went to HS with Catie. Drank in Browkaw's home town of Vermillion SD working for him there.
And I'll make this blanket statment: They all have huge egos and can be total assholes. But by far - the worst come from the bottom of my list above.
In fact King, Drudge and Rush should be shot. I mean they are all dicks in person, all the time, everyday.
From every news medium there is. I've met Drudge and Rush. Larry King too. Andy Roonie and everyone at 60 minutes. I've done a bit of work for Tim Russert and Robin McNeal. I've shot photos of all the top 3 TV anchors. Went to HS with Catie. Drank in Browkaw's home town of Vermillion SD working for him there.
And I'll make this blanket statment: They all have huge egos and can be total assholes. But by far - the worst come from the bottom of my list above.
In fact King, Drudge and Rush should be shot. I mean they are all dicks in person, all the time, everyday.
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Everybody sees these things differently.......
But I have seen them for over 20 years now - in DC and NYC - and I get to see these things from the inside.
It actually started for me very early - my father is a DC journalists. My uncles, my godfather - all journalists.
When you grow up with it and work in it - it's very hard not to be synical about it all. I am for sure. My own baggage so to speak.
But I have seen them for over 20 years now - in DC and NYC - and I get to see these things from the inside.
It actually started for me very early - my father is a DC journalists. My uncles, my godfather - all journalists.
When you grow up with it and work in it - it's very hard not to be synical about it all. I am for sure. My own baggage so to speak.
Objectivity? Your list shows none at all. You exclude the BBC and you lump all British papers as rags.
If you really want your list to be objective, include the BBC and the London Times (possibly even the Daily Telegraph and the Guardian). I'm not saying I'd vote for any of them but they should be represented.
In all honesty I've yet to encounter an objective journalist, TV, wire or newspaper. They all seem to work on the principle.......... don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. But we buy into what we want and then don the appropriately shaded spectacles.
If you really want your list to be objective, include the BBC and the London Times (possibly even the Daily Telegraph and the Guardian). I'm not saying I'd vote for any of them but they should be represented.
In all honesty I've yet to encounter an objective journalist, TV, wire or newspaper. They all seem to work on the principle.......... don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. But we buy into what we want and then don the appropriately shaded spectacles.
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try htttp://www.fair.org if you want to know the real deal about news orgs.
synthesist's list is biased and shows what a true blathering idiot he is. why don't you go back to being yayati, it was a lot more fun.
synthesist's list is biased and shows what a true blathering idiot he is. why don't you go back to being yayati, it was a lot more fun.
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Knucklehead.
I said in my first line that there are no objective journalists - that can't happen and doesn't.
And my noted experience in DC and NYC just might indicate that I have little experience in foreign news agencies or vehicles.
But in fact I have a bit and except for the Brits - the rest of the world fairly sucks regarding any semblance of free of press. They are only worthy of mention in regard to how many journalist are missing or know dead from those countries - and there are thousands.
I said in my first line that there are no objective journalists - that can't happen and doesn't.
And my noted experience in DC and NYC just might indicate that I have little experience in foreign news agencies or vehicles.
But in fact I have a bit and except for the Brits - the rest of the world fairly sucks regarding any semblance of free of press. They are only worthy of mention in regard to how many journalist are missing or know dead from those countries - and there are thousands.
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And I say this too.....
Anybody who lists one news source and thinks that it is the end all and be all of news sources - and doesn't at least read 3 conflicting philosophies of news gathering sources......
Is nuts and prejudice to boot. Like I said, some people will only listen to "what they want to hear." They like being in the choir and being preached to. You have to "intake objectivly" as well - and multiple news sources is the only way to intake objectivly.
One news source, no matter which - does not objectivity make.
Anybody who lists one news source and thinks that it is the end all and be all of news sources - and doesn't at least read 3 conflicting philosophies of news gathering sources......
Is nuts and prejudice to boot. Like I said, some people will only listen to "what they want to hear." They like being in the choir and being preached to. You have to "intake objectivly" as well - and multiple news sources is the only way to intake objectivly.
One news source, no matter which - does not objectivity make.
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You forgot...
"All of the above"
I mostly watch Headline news because they cover a wider variety of stories. When I see something there I want to know more about, I go to as many sources as I can find and draw my own conclusions. FoxNews is usually my last choice for objective reporting.
"All of the above"
I mostly watch Headline news because they cover a wider variety of stories. When I see something there I want to know more about, I go to as many sources as I can find and draw my own conclusions. FoxNews is usually my last choice for objective reporting.
SINthysist
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Sparky, I'm impressed. Same could be said of many of the performers I've met. But there are good ones. Arlo Guthrie comes to mind. Treated everyone well.
As far as the British rags. It was just a little joke. I know so little of your island to include them, but thanks for the category hints.
I agree WeirdH. I read all I can get my hands on. Even the cereal box.
As far as the British rags. It was just a little joke. I know so little of your island to include them, but thanks for the category hints.
I agree WeirdH. I read all I can get my hands on. Even the cereal box.
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