young versus old

[justchuckc]

Not real good at this letter writing stuff, but felt something heavy on my mind and had to "put on paper" and wondered if there were like-minded men out there.
I see all the lit and pix of the young men and long for those days when it very well could have been ME{US} in those themes. Well I'm near 50 now, marriage and too many nights watching the baseball game on television instead of actually playing IT has taken it's toll. No, not obesity, but for sure not the form of an ideal sex partner no more.
So I have adjusted (NOT LOWERED) my sights to those like me; knowing very well that a 22 year old surfer with a stomach as hard as packed-sand would not want a night with an aging hippie.
I'd like to think it was the cock I was interested in and not what it was attached to. I can not do that. In other words there has to be a PERSONALITY along with that cock or I might as well just worship a piece of phallic shaped plastic.
Are there others out there that believe in Mark Twains quote : "YOUTH IS WASTED ON THE YOUNG" but still have the desire and the need and the urge and the longing to live as if we were 21 years of age again? I do. I can close my mind yet keep my eyes open and see you like you were;damn we were cool, we were desired and we should still be, if not by those new- age self centered hard bodied "you're too old" naysayers, then at least by each other! We have grown older but we have not grown cold.
I'd love to kneel in front of a slim hard bodied young man and take his younger cock into my mouth and feel his explosion; that chance will most likely not come my way again, but I'd just as gladly kneel in front of a man that has paid his way, provided for his family, put on a few pounds, and loves life. When it is over we could share pictures of each other from our high-school year books, get excited, and do it all over again.
Maybe there was no question here. Perhaps I was feeling a bit meloncholy. But I feel better. Selfish? maybe. But have you any idea the cost of therapy now-a-days?

 

[Queersetti]

The worship of youth among gay men has always been pervasive, and I think it has been emotionally damaging for many people. And it has had a crippling effect on our social institutions.

It's my belief that as long as "gayness" is defined in primarily physical terms, there is always going to be this emphasis in youth and good looks. It is only when we get beyond defining ourselves by our sexual activities, and appreciate the wholeness of our personalities, that we will mature past this stultifying fascination.

 

[gumbie]

Fetish?

i have always perceived to worship of youth to be a fetish. Greatly desired by some and not at all by others. Having lived in Los Angeles for a while, the youth fetish is very strong there. I saw older (over 30 if you can believe it) men denied entrance to clubs because of their age or body type. It was shameful.

But then, i have a Daddy fixation and adore older beefy bears. So, i guess, to each his own!

 

[shelleb4]

Youth fetish? God yes, now you mention it, its so true.
Especially amoungst the male and gay population. But the muscle mary brigade are so introspective and narcissistic that i find them vacuous as people.
Do not underestimate the attraction of a mature person, be they male or female. Personality is very important. There's shags, and if your in it for just that, then go for whatever you can get, but if your going to have to talk more than one sentence to whom your with, then go for depth of character, something that we all seem to be bestowed with as we age.
Life experience verses a six pack? no contest as far as im concerned, but hey, being 'over the hill' myself, i would say that.

But seriously, i have a really good looking older mate, he still pulls the young and 'gorgeous' males, i unfortunately have to try to fill the gaps in stilted conversations, be inclusive to the wall flowers, it just sucks, really it does. Its not that there is anything wrong, just that the truly interesting point of view of someone with life experience is so vastly different from that baby man.

 

[karuna]

Hello JustchuckC,

While the pro-youth prejudice is unfortuante and unfair, so are a lot of things about aging. I think there's probably something essentially (in the philosophical sense) more attractive about young bodies. In other words, it's hard-wired into human desire. There are various currents in po-mo sexual and gender politics that make people want to deny that fact, but I think it's kind of obvious: all other things being equal, young and fit is more sexually attractive than old, dumpy and/or fat.

There are exceptions, of course. But they remain exceptions, not to mention that many of the vocal critics of youth worship are hyper-politicized academic types, who allow their political agendas to trump all other motivators.

Others who complain about pro-youth prejudice also share that prejudice. You express a strong preference for hard young surfer bodies yourself, while complaining that hard young surfers have the same preference! You nobly aspire to overcoming this preference, but I get the impression that you have not yet entirely succeeded.

I'm not trying to accuse you of hypocricy. I am merely saying that it's normal that you would like to suck off a surfer dude, and it's also normal that surfer dudes want to suck off
other surfer dudes. And it's normal that this makes you melancholy.

Hey, you can't run up six flights of stairs as fast as you used to either. It's not that the world is evil; that's just how it is.

Take comfort in the fact that cocks seem to age well; a nice hard cock is fairly ageless.

-karuna

but knowing very well that a 22 year old surfer with a stomach as hard as packed-sand would not want a night with an aging hippie.
(...)
and we should still be (desired), if not by those new- age self centered hard bodied "you're too old" naysayers
(...)
I'd love to kneel in front of a slim hard bodied young man and take his younger cock into my mouth and feel his explosion; that chance will most likely not come my way again,
(...)
but I'd just as gladly kneel in front of a man that has paid his way, provided for his family, put on a few pounds, and loves life.

 

[Regis2001]

Hmm... Speaking as a fairly young pooftah (okay, so I'm bi. I just like the word) I have to say that I do have a thing for older men. Provided they're sophisticated. So far, aside from my current (and first) beau, who is of a similar age to myself and is wonderful, my list of true loves have included:

Sir Ian McKellen. God, he is so wonderful. And he's gay! Woohoo!

Stephen Fry. Also gay, and much funnier. Woohoo also!

This guy my father knows from the PhD course at Uni. He is a Conservative, which is bad, but he recently turned up to rehearsals for a play dressed in a leather jacket and jeans. Yum.

Kenneth Branagh. Okay, not that old, but certainly older than me. So what? It still counts!

As for you, justchuckc, aging hippies are cool. Hey, 'dude' is the name I call people the second most after 'darling/dear'. Here's hoping you still have your long beautiful hippy hair!

 

[Etoile]

Sir Ian McKellen. God, he is so wonderful. And he's gay! Woohoo!

Oh dear god. If he weren't gay, and I weren't gay, I would totally be trying to have Ian McKellen's babies.

 

[Regis2001]

Oh dear god. If he weren't gay, and I weren't gay, I would totally be trying to have Ian McKellen's babies.

I bought his Richard III on DVD the other day. Every time he just sneaks little asides into the camera... It's so... personal. Add to this the fact that he's a really good actor, not at all snobbish, and is actually openly gay (and how many really famous actors are? Counting them wouldn't require a slow thinker to take off his socks) and you've got the perfect man!

It's just my Shakespeare fetish again. I have three fetishes; Shakespeare, leather, and guys with long hair. Put Sir Ian in leather trousers, and I'd be in heaven!

No, don't look at me like that. Almost everyone looks good in leather trousers. You just have to get them made in the right size.

 

[justchuckc]

What a bunch of far-out people, and yes Regis2001, my hair is still to my shoulders and has been since '68 ('cept those 6 years I spent with uncle Sam) full but graying just a bit.
I thank you all for your input and coments. There is a lot of wisdom and intelligence from this meeting place which surrounds me and puts me at ease. Karuna, I never felt you were accussing me of hipocracy and I enjoyed dearly the comments you had to say. You seem to me to be an educated person as well as compassionate. Pretty good character qualities.
My wife of many years once asked if I was in danger of falling into the trap of " living in the past " . No, but I do like to visit it occasionally.
A couple of years ago I ran into an old friend I hadn't seen in years and we met again the following weekend at his home. Never marrried, but was never at a loss for girlfriends, I suspected he enjoyed sex with either men or women, he lived on the edge and skated on the thin side of the ice. A good looking guy and I had always regreted not having the nerve to ask THE question. Well since we had long left the days of acid and mescaline behind us we ended up lying on his roof top in the dark of night sipping martinis (in plastic cups due to height) and enjoying the warmth of the summer evening. We recalled some of our old adventures and like school kids the talk turned to sex.
he kept bringing up the subject of how all the women he had been with had remarked on the size of his cock. ;"It isn't so thick Chuck, just long" Well I guess I had sounded a little doubting or perhaps he noticed my levi shorts taking on shapes of excitement; but there he was lying on his back, on the roof and he was sliding his shorts down his firm thighs! Fuck!
I had not been with a dude in 10 or more years and here was Pete, a guy I used to hang out with and fantasize secretly to many private beet-off sesions, showing me his rapidly growing cock. It was beautiful, but I wondered of his bragging of the size. As I looked at it he whispered , "go ahead and feel it if you want"
Here we are both in our 40's, having climbed unto a roof(via a tree limb, not any type of ladder!) in the California summer, and I am responding like a teenager! Heart beats could be heard over the sound of passing cars on the road below I was sure! I'm gonna fall off this fuckin' roof and break a hip with my dick in my hand! Nervous and shaking just a bit (gawd I missed those feelings) I reached over and began to feel the heat from his crotch.
As I wrapped my fist lightly around the base of his cock, I realized that he had been truthful in his confession of size. It was growing fast and long, not real thick, but a nice 9 inches! Yowza.
He put his hand on the back of my neck and gently pushed forward bringing my face closer to his cock. I was trembling with excitement so fiercly I was afraid of sending shingles crashing to the lawn below. I felt the head of his cock touch my lips and to this day I can still recall the feel of it on my lips and then my tounge as it slid slowly into my throat and hit the gag reflex as he said "let;s get down and go inside" Just a minute I thought to my self as I grabbed again his beautiful dick and sucked it like it was lifes oxygen!
The rest of the evening was.........I'll save it for another time. But I was reeling in the years man and it was so nice to be in a different time for a short time.
I know it's my turn to be older now, I had my youth, and it is time to let those days be gone except perhaps in fantasies, but I can't help recall an old episode of THE TWILIGHT ZONE of a retirement home where all (but one doubting Thomas)the residents in their failing health were given another chance to relive and return to their childhood days and play kick the can as they disappeared into the night laughing and smiling. I got a little off track here, but free time at the keyboard is not something which comes often. I must return to the other threads with my jeans down to my ankles and my cock hardening to the words of others, I just wanted to say thanks for making me feel a part of something that is pretty cool, I am honered to be on the same pages with such real people.
Not enough time to play and proof read so I apologise ahead of time for..........errors.

 

[Regis2001]

Oh, I say...

Woof.

Dear God, man, if you can keep posting stuff like this, I swear I will love you forever. It feels so good to find another real-life hippy... My brother is a punk snob and gets angry every time I call him 'Dude'.

Mmm... Just imagining the feeling of long hair... trailing over my body...

Getting too excited for own good. Will stop now.

 

[Bemused_Chunk]

im only 21 and a huge turn on is being with an older woman or a man

 

[justchuckc]

Ahhhh! Hope everlasting.

 

[Etoile]

I wouldn't say it's specifically a turn on for me, but my relationships have been with older people. My girlfriend is 12 years older than me, and my Daddy is 20 years older me. I once had a relationship with a girl two or three years younger than myself, and that was a disaster. It's not that it's specifically arousing to have an older partner, but it's the way it works best for me.

 

[alli_cat]

Personally, I generally prefer older partners. As nice as some of those young bodies around me are, I would rather have personality and experience any day! A sexy young guy with muscles in all the right places might be great to look at, but what on earth would I do with him?? I want somebody who knows what they are doing, who is confident and intelligent, who knows what they want to give as well as what they want to get out of sex. And perhaps partly because I am aware of my own physical imperfections, I don't particularly want the cliched 'perfect' body in somebody else, I like playing with a soft, natural body that belongs to a happy, comfortable person So even though I like the look of all these pretty young things around, I certainly don't want to sleep with them!

 

[carsonshepherd]

I'm 30, my partner is 43. My ex was 9 years older; I traded up for older instead of younger! No matter what age I was at, the men my age were shallow and lazy and unfaithful, and usually unemployed!

I love long hair myself. My brother and I both have short hair but our dad, all his friends, all our uncles had long hair and big bushy beards.

Nothing will ever make me stop loving hippies....

 

[emap]

I always liked that phrase your only as old as you feel. Has a certain charm to it, I'm not exactly a spring chicken myself, but I'm not that old yet, with my guy around I don't think I'll ever get old. He has this wonderful thought process, he doesn't think about it, he doesn't have birthdays, and he only knows his year of birth because he has to, and he needs me to remind him about it sometimes It seems to work wonders though, he can get me in bed with him for hours, a couple hours later we can be right back in. Reminds me of those days as a teenager when I could get it a few times in a few hours, well it does until he's in me, then he just wows me.

Sorry rambling again, I think your seeing a young fetish in more places than you should really, well except L.A. but of course there you find the entire population of california fruitcakes. Yes some people won't touch an older man or woman because they are older, many look for older, and many more don't care. I've had an older lover a few times, my guy has as well, we both have done a little younger, but we always went for who looked good to us, and wanted to of course. No we are not the only one's who don't care, do a poll and check it, I bet at least half of the voters are going to say so long as they are cute.