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Bagel scraps??? Yuck. Wow. But other than that... way to go, folks!

If you're a retailer, it sucks to read this.

This is the wages of capitalist greed, folks.

I warned you - Capitalism is not the apex of human society. It's as weak and corrupt as Communism and in the end, it can be, and is being circumvented by evolution itself.

Frugality is capitalism's kryptonite. It's how Americans stop those greedy retailers from robbing them of their savings with price inflation: simply refuse to buy, period.

The revolution has begun. Idiot Litsters will deny it, but the retailers won't. GM won't. Chrysler won't. Not even Toyota is immune. And with frugality like this, even Wal Mart will tremble. Mark my words, hyper-frugality will grow and Wal Mart will suffer in its wake.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090310/ap_on_re_us/new_frugality_cheaper_cheapskates/print

Extreme cheapskates: Tightwads revel in frugality
By ANNE D'INNOCENZIO, AP Retail Writer
Tue Mar 10, 4:29 pm ET

NEW YORK – Amy VanDeventer has always been a cheapskate. The recession is taking her to new extremes.

Before the economy tanked, she was still wearing maternity clothes from her last pregnancy, clipping coupons and using hand-me-downs to dress her daughters, ages 2 and 3. Now, she's salvaging bagel scraps left on their plates for pizza toppings and cutting lotion bottles in half so she can scrape out the last drops.

"I was already cheap," said VanDeventer, a 36-year-old mortgage loan underwriter from Broomfield, Colo. "Now I am neurotic about it."

If you thought those cheapskate friends and relatives couldn't pinch pennies any tighter, think again. The recession is making tightwads like VanDeventer cut back even more. They're going way beyond sharpening their coupon scissors, replacing already cheap store-brand fabric softener with vinegar and even making their own detergent. VanDeventer was drying her hair in front of a fan after her portable hair dryer broke — until her friends bought her a new one.

The recession is radically changing behavior among many different types of people, from the Wall Street bankers who are now waltzing into Wal-Mart for the first time to buy their groceries to teens who are now thumbing through the piles of status jeans at secondhand shops to save money. And experts say that such behavior could linger long after the economy recovers.

What surprises frugality bloggers is that many cheapskates such as VanDeventer haven't lost their jobs and are not in danger of losing their homes. Many have stashed a good chunk of cash away. But the economic uncertainty is catapulting them to new levels of thriftiness.

"I do it out of fear because I would rather put that money in the bank or purchase something we really need," said VanDeventer, who now saves about 50 percent of her take-home pay, up from 25 percent before the recession began more than a year ago.

The trend is disturbing for merchants, who are already reeling from the sharp pullback by spenders. Such extreme miserly behavior could only worsen the decline in consumer spending.

"Frugal people are now looking at more ways not to spend money," said Lynnae McCoy, who runs a blog called beingfrugal.net, which attracts seasoned penny pinchers. In January, her site received 110,000 hits, up 30 percent from a year ago. What intrigued McCoy was the interest among frugal folks to save even more money by making their own detergent and other household goods.

Elizabeth Schomburg, a credit counselor from Roscoe, Ill., is now replacing store brand softener with vinegar in her laundry. The 31-year-old, who used to comb the 80 percent off sales racks, said she has stopped doing any "recreational buying."

"I am questioning every single purchase," she said.

She's also not stockpiling discounted groceries because she wants to limit how much money she puts out for each trip to the supermarket. That kind of behavior is showing up in fourth-quarter results at companies including foodmaker H.J. Heinz Co., whose sales suffered as consumers are cleaning out their cupboards before buying new items.

Jeff Yeager, author of The Ultimate Cheapskate's Roadmap to True Riches, sees a silver lining to the economic downturn.

"Whatever you do to simplify your life is a good thing," Yeager said. A self-proclaimed cheapskate, he has spent no more than $100 over the past five years on clothing for himself and won't throw anything out until it literally falls apart.

But he's found ways to cut back even more now, such as eating more lentils — which are cheap and nutritious — and biking more to save gasoline. His mantra for buying food? Buy not what you want, but what's affordable at the time.

Unlike many big spenders during the boom years, he says he and other cheapskates are "sleeping easy" these days.

They're also getting some respect from the spenders, who even just a few months ago mocked their thrifty ways.

"My friends used to laugh at me," said Jodi Furman, referring to her obsession with 70 percent off sales and her knack for saving money with coupons.

They're not laughing now. The mother of three from Lake Worth, Fla., parlayed her knowledge into a blog called neverpayretailagain.net last fall. The blog helps shoppers save money on fashionable clothing and healthy food.

"If you can't make more money, then you can spend less — and that's the equivalent of making more money," Furman said.

While she doesn't scrape pizza crumbs or make her own detergent, Furman said she's "laser-focused" when it comes to saving on groceries. She's saving 60 percent to 70 percent off her grocery bills. On a recent trip to Winn-Dixie, she scooped up $63.50 worth of groceries for $16.45. She picked up a box of TLC Cereal bars, regularly priced at $3.99, for $1 — it was on sale for $3 but she used a $2 coupon. She got a $3.99 package of Equal sweetener for free — combining a coupon with the sale price.

Many people are embracing the new challenge of squeezing the most value out of every last penny. Who knew you could make household products such as detergent? McCoy says it's not hard: mix Borax with a half bar of soap, baking soda and its relative washing soda, which cuts grease and can be found in the laundry areas of many supermarkets.

"If you have vinegar, Dawn soap and baking soda, you can pretty much make any cleaning product," McCoy said.
 
Dude when you start the car, please open your garage door….before you post


Bagel scraps??? Yuck. Wow. But other than that... way to go, folks!

If you're a retailer, it sucks to read this.

This is the wages of capitalist greed, folks.

I warned you - Capitalism is not the apex of human society. It's as weak and corrupt as Communism and in the end, it can be, and is being circumvented by evolution itself.

Frugality is capitalism's kryptonite. It's how Americans stop those greedy retailers from robbing them of their savings with price inflation: simply refuse to buy, period.

The revolution has begun. Idiot Litsters will deny it, but the retailers won't. GM won't. Chrysler won't. Not even Toyota is immune. And with frugality like this, even Wal Mart will tremble. Mark my words, hyper-frugality will grow and Wal Mart will suffer in its wake.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090310/ap_on_re_us/new_frugality_cheaper_cheapskates/print

Extreme cheapskates: Tightwads revel in frugality
By ANNE D'INNOCENZIO, AP Retail Writer
Tue Mar 10, 4:29 pm ET

NEW YORK – Amy VanDeventer has always been a cheapskate. The recession is taking her to new extremes.

Before the economy tanked, she was still wearing maternity clothes from her last pregnancy, clipping coupons and using hand-me-downs to dress her daughters, ages 2 and 3. Now, she's salvaging bagel scraps left on their plates for pizza toppings and cutting lotion bottles in half so she can scrape out the last drops.

"I was already cheap," said VanDeventer, a 36-year-old mortgage loan underwriter from Broomfield, Colo. "Now I am neurotic about it."

If you thought those cheapskate friends and relatives couldn't pinch pennies any tighter, think again. The recession is making tightwads like VanDeventer cut back even more. They're going way beyond sharpening their coupon scissors, replacing already cheap store-brand fabric softener with vinegar and even making their own detergent. VanDeventer was drying her hair in front of a fan after her portable hair dryer broke — until her friends bought her a new one.

The recession is radically changing behavior among many different types of people, from the Wall Street bankers who are now waltzing into Wal-Mart for the first time to buy their groceries to teens who are now thumbing through the piles of status jeans at secondhand shops to save money. And experts say that such behavior could linger long after the economy recovers.

What surprises frugality bloggers is that many cheapskates such as VanDeventer haven't lost their jobs and are not in danger of losing their homes. Many have stashed a good chunk of cash away. But the economic uncertainty is catapulting them to new levels of thriftiness.

"I do it out of fear because I would rather put that money in the bank or purchase something we really need," said VanDeventer, who now saves about 50 percent of her take-home pay, up from 25 percent before the recession began more than a year ago.

The trend is disturbing for merchants, who are already reeling from the sharp pullback by spenders. Such extreme miserly behavior could only worsen the decline in consumer spending.

"Frugal people are now looking at more ways not to spend money," said Lynnae McCoy, who runs a blog called beingfrugal.net, which attracts seasoned penny pinchers. In January, her site received 110,000 hits, up 30 percent from a year ago. What intrigued McCoy was the interest among frugal folks to save even more money by making their own detergent and other household goods.

Elizabeth Schomburg, a credit counselor from Roscoe, Ill., is now replacing store brand softener with vinegar in her laundry. The 31-year-old, who used to comb the 80 percent off sales racks, said she has stopped doing any "recreational buying."

"I am questioning every single purchase," she said.

She's also not stockpiling discounted groceries because she wants to limit how much money she puts out for each trip to the supermarket. That kind of behavior is showing up in fourth-quarter results at companies including foodmaker H.J. Heinz Co., whose sales suffered as consumers are cleaning out their cupboards before buying new items.

Jeff Yeager, author of The Ultimate Cheapskate's Roadmap to True Riches, sees a silver lining to the economic downturn.

"Whatever you do to simplify your life is a good thing," Yeager said. A self-proclaimed cheapskate, he has spent no more than $100 over the past five years on clothing for himself and won't throw anything out until it literally falls apart.

But he's found ways to cut back even more now, such as eating more lentils — which are cheap and nutritious — and biking more to save gasoline. His mantra for buying food? Buy not what you want, but what's affordable at the time.

Unlike many big spenders during the boom years, he says he and other cheapskates are "sleeping easy" these days.

They're also getting some respect from the spenders, who even just a few months ago mocked their thrifty ways.

"My friends used to laugh at me," said Jodi Furman, referring to her obsession with 70 percent off sales and her knack for saving money with coupons.

They're not laughing now. The mother of three from Lake Worth, Fla., parlayed her knowledge into a blog called neverpayretailagain.net last fall. The blog helps shoppers save money on fashionable clothing and healthy food.

"If you can't make more money, then you can spend less — and that's the equivalent of making more money," Furman said.

While she doesn't scrape pizza crumbs or make her own detergent, Furman said she's "laser-focused" when it comes to saving on groceries. She's saving 60 percent to 70 percent off her grocery bills. On a recent trip to Winn-Dixie, she scooped up $63.50 worth of groceries for $16.45. She picked up a box of TLC Cereal bars, regularly priced at $3.99, for $1 — it was on sale for $3 but she used a $2 coupon. She got a $3.99 package of Equal sweetener for free — combining a coupon with the sale price.

Many people are embracing the new challenge of squeezing the most value out of every last penny. Who knew you could make household products such as detergent? McCoy says it's not hard: mix Borax with a half bar of soap, baking soda and its relative washing soda, which cuts grease and can be found in the laundry areas of many supermarkets.

"If you have vinegar, Dawn soap and baking soda, you can pretty much make any cleaning product," McCoy said.
 
Dude when you start the car, please open your garage door….before you post
Can you, for once in your life, show where what I'm saying is factually wrong?

Please prove to us that your mother didn't empty out every liquor store in the South when she was pregnant with you.
 
Ah yes; I remember.

Lady and the Tramp II
(2008)

I sort of liked it, actually.
JackHoleJim is STILL trying to claim I was lying?

Man, you know for a fact he would not say that to my face. I'd make raw hamburger out of his grill in front of all the people who actually saw it happen.

Hell, JackHoleJim is scared of California as long as I'm here. :D
 
what is sad, next year you will be in the same spot!


Can you, for once in your life, show where what I'm saying is factually wrong?

Please prove to us that your mother didn't empty out every liquor store in the South when she was pregnant with you.
 
what is sad, next year you will be in the same spot!
Translation: you can't find any factual errors in what I said.

And yeah, I'll be in the same exact spot as I am now. Running a data center. Earning absolute mad bank. My wife running her own insurance brokerage. Making even more insane bank. And paying more in taxes than you earn in several years.

And STILL correct and exact with the facts.

With ankle biters like you thrashing around because you don't stand a ghost of a chance at disproving what I have to say.


BTW: how does it feel to see Conservatism doing the Titanic? Eh? Got life boat? :D
 
Peppie, should you not be putting that Mad Money into helping those not working? Or is it okay for you to keep everything but push others for earning an income?


Translation: you can't find any factual errors in what I said.

And yeah, I'll be in the same exact spot as I am now. Running a data center. Earning absolute mad bank. My wife running her own insurance brokerage. Making even more insane bank. And paying more in taxes than you earn in several years.

And STILL correct and exact with the facts.

With ankle biters like you thrashing around because you don't stand a ghost of a chance at disproving what I have to say.


BTW: how does it feel to see Conservatism doing the Titanic? Eh? Got life boat? :D
 
Peppie, should you not be putting that Mad Money into helping those not working? Or is it okay for you to keep everything but push others for earning an income?
STILL not able to find any factual errors in what I said, eh?

Well I'll tell ya something. As I've said before, we bought up a big part of a strip mall - all property owned by one guy - and we're expanding because business is still hot. We're hiring more people.

I'm always helping people I know to get jobs. I use my mad money for a lot of charitable causes, donating money to the troops, to soup kitchens, to crisis pregnancy centers, job training organizations, job clubs. Because of all the hell that's going on, this summer I'm working on bringing well heeled people I know to job clubs.

I sprang mad cash for a hybrid SUV and an electric SUV, then bought hybrids for my employees to help cut down on gasoline usage.

Hell, I'm involved in so many charitable things that jealous JackAssJim follows me around saying how he can't even believe it. :)



Now, I'm gonna ask you again. What did I say in my opening post that was factually wrong?
 
Peppie, I just don’t trust a word you say. This capitalism is evil and bad…today you say you are earning mad money, yet isn’t that against capitalism? What ever, can’t wait to read your post tomorrow and in the future. It gives me a laugh, kind of like a good TV show with lots of great funny fiction

STILL not able to find any factual errors in what I said, eh?

Well I'll tell ya something. As I've said before, we bought up a big part of a strip mall - all property owned by one guy - and we're expanding because business is still hot. We're hiring more people.

I'm always helping people I know to get jobs. I use my mad money for a lot of charitable causes, donating money to the troops, to soup kitchens, to crisis pregnancy centers, job training organizations, job clubs. Because of all the hell that's going on, this summer I'm working on bringing well heeled people I know to job clubs.

I sprang mad cash for a hybrid SUV and an electric SUV, then bought hybrids for my employees to help cut down on gasoline usage.

Hell, I'm involved in so many charitable things that jealous JackAssJim follows me around saying how he can't even believe it. :)



Now, I'm gonna ask you again. What did I say in my opening post that was factually wrong?
 
and I’m guess that was a nice fantasy of his...also his meds were wearing off.
Just because you and JackHoleJim are failures in life, doesn't mean I'm a failure like you.

There's a lot of rich people who have issues with capitalism - you guys even have a name for them... limousine liberals.


The only fantasy going on around here is your belief that you have an argument.

The truth is your mother shoulda done anal. Then again, you probably are the end result of just that.
 
What I really don’t understand, is how in the freaking world can peppie feel or think that any American wants another American to earn less? Yes, I’m very anti union. No, I do not want a pay limit on what I can earn or my neighbor. I’m comfortable with a CEO earning 20 million a year (private), I’m comfortable with a CEO earning 20 million a year (public – if they are not sucking down bail out funds), I’m comfortable with a professional athlete or actor earning 20 million a year. Its about supply and demand. What the market will demand and pay! I’m not in favor of what most of the New York Yankees earn, but I have the option to go to a game, or not. So what that a-Rod is earning what he is earning? Hope he can still earn what he earns for as long as he can earn it.

I just love the choice, to go to a game or not.


I have links to multiple fantasies of his.


Do you know he has died before?:cool:
 
Peppie, I just don’t trust a word you say. This capitalism is evil and bad…today you say you are earning mad money, yet isn’t that against capitalism? What ever, can’t wait to read your post tomorrow and in the future. It gives me a laugh, kind of like a good TV show with lots of great funny fiction
I documented what I said in the opening post. It's not for you to believe or not believe. You're the kind of idiot who argues against the sunrise if it makes Conservatism look bad.

You're on ignore. That means you lose this fight... forever.

Oh and one more thing - this is why you Conservatives are hated by most Americans now. Now you won't even have a chance to counter that argument. LOL. Have fun banging against your glass cage.
 
Oh peppie, I love how quick the training wheels come off your bike. You ask why don’t I show facts for or against what you say? Cuz I have nothing to prove to you. You live in your world. I like some things, and think other things you say are just nuts. But you give me great background for future characters!

Just because you and JackHoleJim are failures in life, doesn't mean I'm a failure like you.

There's a lot of rich people who have issues with capitalism - you guys even have a name for them... limousine liberals.


The only fantasy going on around here is your belief that you have an argument.

The truth is your mother shoulda done anal. Then again, you probably are the end result of just that.
 
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Heh. Rendered totally irrelevant and powerless, just like that.
 
JackAssJim, you've got to be the clingiest male in the world.

But don't get me wrong, I need you around here - you make me look even smarter every time you post.
 
that is so sad! With the new tax code coming in I put my notice in, this way I can devote more time here!

run, run away from reality!

Today 11:21 AM
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Heh. Rendered totally irrelevant and powerless, just like that.
 
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