You Wanna Know Why I'm so Fucking Staunch About Feminism and Women's Issues

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It's because of the fact that men simply don't "get" it.

I'm going to be more sincere here than I have and I'm probably divulging way too much personal information. As I have stated on this board before, while I was in Europe, more than 4 years ago, I was drugged and raped. I also was accosted on the streets by this guy who was masturbating. I was robbed, pulled to him, and then he followed me after getting my keys and all my money. I made it to a friends house, thankfully I remembered where a person lived that was nearby. He was still behind me.

Ok, I got over it. I guess. But, in its aftermath, I changed drastically. I'm no longer the party girl I once was. Why? Because I blame that type of life on the situations I got involved in. I stopped wearing any type of clothing that wasn't totally conservative. I gained weight. I quit wearing makeup. Why? Because I didn't want to be attractive in that way. I didn't want men coming on to me for that. I didn't want to appear available. I did my best to avoid that.

College was fine, I was in familiar surroundings with familiar people. After college I was always with Mr. Lavender who I trusted. He was harmless, responsible, and was kind and gentle. He was always there with me.

Law school and living alone have proven to be difficult. Last year, in the spring, I was harassed and seriously come onto late one night as I was getting gas. I absolutely froze. I had the events from previous times come back to me, in the strangest haze. But, I froze. All I could think about was getting out of this situation safely. They were drunk, they were highly suggestive, they were coming on strong, they were just being terrible in the things they were saying to me. I froze. But, not without realizing that I had to get out safely. The man behind the counter had his hand on the phone it was that bad. He was worried about me. He was just some scrawny kid. But, I asked him to watch me get out of my car. Then I purposely headed a direction away from home and did a U at some point so they would have no clue where I lived. I was in panic mode. I had a serious panic attack once I got home. That event spiralled me back into therapy because I was already a bit depressed.

Earlier this year, sitting alone at a restaurant studying I had a similar occurrence. But, I was ok. I had a table next to me that was helping me.

Tonight I was sitting at my diner, studying. I had a cup of coffee. I looked like sheet in a gray sweatshirt and jeans, hair up. Studying. I had my laptop open, I had my books open and I was highlighting. WHAT ABOUT THIS FUCKING SITUATION SAYS I WANT TO BE PICKED UP????????????

So, this guy comes in, sits down. He doesn't order anything. He quickly proceeds to come over to my table. He asked me out about 6-7 times. He wouldn't take no for an answer. He was suggesting things, harassing me. I froze once again. I didn't know what to say. I just sat there willing him away. I just want to appease in these situations, get me out of danger.

I kept trying to get the waiter over to the table, thinking he would catch on to my nervousness. Nothing worked.

I got up from the table, paid, went back to the table. HE was still waiting for me. When I grabbed my books to leave, he followed.

I turned back around and went into the bathroom. I came out, he was still there waiting on me. I was so scared, I didn't know how to get away. I didn't want to cause a stir. I didn't want to be embarassed. I went back in the bathroom, where I just started crying. I felt so weak. I felt so helpless. You have no idea how careful I am. I don't emit those vibes. I stay away from them. I'm so scared of men in real life especially when I'm not in my comfort zone.

I came back out of the bathroom and got a waiter and talked to him. HE said he would walk me out to my car. I waited and pretended to go sit down. The guy had left the front door. I don't know where he went.

All I know is I got in my car and drove home, in a state of just disbelief. I kept looking in my review mirror checking to make sure no one was there. I came in my house, locked the door...and then I just started breathing so rapidly. I still am. I hate these situations. They are minor, but they bring up so much fucking shit.

Why do men have to be this way? Why? I signal no interest to any of them. I mention my boyfriend. I tell them I'm busy. You tell them everything. I'm not going to play some coy flirtatious bullshit game with them. I'm not going to play Ms. Pseudo Badass either. I just want them to leave me the fuck alone.

Now do you know why I hate feigned sexuality? Now do you wonder why I get so fucking pissed off when women pull this games bullshit?

It's because SHIT happens in real life all the time. And all you do is perpetuate the myth that that's what we want.

Well guess what, it's the last fucking thing I want. This shit just makes me want to stay inside and never leave by myself without the company of another person.

I'm not a scared person. I've walked the streets of the largest cities by myself. But, after the events I've experienced, I think I've become a coward. If I can become a coward, ANYONE CAN!
 
Lavendar, I'm not going to even get into all the emotional aspects of rape and the havoc it reaps on a persons soul. You're a smart woman and I think you can handle your own, and I think you can take care of yourself.

*Hugs* to you, even if doesn't seem worth much. I'm sorry that you have to feel that fear from another human being. Shame on them.

I just wanted to suggest that you carry around some mace, if you're not already doing so. You need that backup, so you don't feel totally vulnerable. It is a scary fucked up world.
 
Men do that primarily because a huge chunk of us of us are completely worthless schmucks who are stupidly lonely and have no fucking clue how to interact with people on a social level.
 
Lavvy,

I can understand your point of view.

I've had my own experiences.

I happen to believe it doesn't matter how sexual I am, how much I curve like a woman, smell like a woman, act like a sexual being, there is no reason for someone to harass me.

I don't play games. I am who I say I am.

I remember coming home on the subway from midtown up to Washington Heights. It was about 3 am, summer.I was in my chef uniform, checks and a jacket. He was sitting across from me, and then next to me. He was rubbing his dick through his pants. We were the only ones in the car. I didn't freeze. I calmly removed my chef knife from my kit and placed on his dick. I'd just worked a 12 hour shift and smelled like kitchen.

I worked in a kitchen, where one of the men constantly left horseradish on my station<big phallic looking root> making rude comments.

I've been decked to the nines and not dealt with anything. Just been able to enjoy myself.

Being sexual isn't a handicap. Women should not have to shut down parts of their psyche because assholes exist.

I don't disagree that your decision is something that you need to do. It is your choice, and your right. I'll support you in that decision.

However, I've been through so much shit in my life. Rape, molestation, sexual harassment in and outside of the job, I've realized that it has nothing to do with me.

Sexual misconduct is not my fault. I am not the cause of it. I am not the victim. I choose not to be the victim. I will not EVER censure myself because of someone else's actions.

So much has been taken from me, I'm not about to let some stupid fucks take more.
 
hugs to lavy, and my heart as well

but you know, some men get it...some do




damn...but the ones that don't are such FUCKING pigs
 
I'm sad to say it happens because some of my fellow men are predators, they sense some sort of weakness (bad word to use, but its the best my vocabulary can come up with now) such as fear or a flaw they think they can use against you. It doesnt matter at all to them what you are wearing or doing, they get their kicks but making unsuspecting women fear them so they do it again and again. It shouldn't happen to anyone but all one can do is take those experiences to heart and learn how to overcome the fear they give.
 
Sillyman said:
Men do that primarily because a huge chunk of us of us are completely worthless schmucks who are stupidly lonely and have no fucking clue how to interact with people on a social level.

I think that a huge chunk of both men and women fall into that definition. Most people, I believe, suck eggs. But not all.
 
Juspar Emvan said:
(((Lavy)))

Nice hug, but, really, couldn't you have placed a towel over your avatar, or something?

Sorry for your experiences, Lavender. I'm not like that and neither are any of the men I know.
 
lavender said:
Perky, you are very right. I think I'm just on heightened awareness at times.

I'm just in anger mode.
I'm right by your side, Lavy. I get very angry sometimes. Lots of times. I support however you want to deal with your life. That's what being a woman is all about, standing together, supporting each other.

I respect you Lavy. You're a tough, classy, opinionated, kickass woman.

As for being aware. I don't ever remember a time, since my rape, that I haven't been. I can't imagine anyone that has dealt with any kind of trauma letting their guard down.
 
Unregistered said:

I'm not a scared person. I've walked the streets of the largest cities by myself. But, after the events I've experienced, I think I've become a coward. If I can become a coward, ANYONE CAN!


Lavender I know this probably won't mean a whole hell of a lot at the moment, but I am going to say it anyway.

I think you are anything but a coward. For a start it took tremendous guts to say what you did in your post. Who the hell can blame you for being shaky after the shit you went through? I think you are a very strong woman, with incredible character and integrity.

Finally, situations like the one you experienced tonight and the ones from your past make me embarrassed to be a man sometimes. :rose:
 
Lav: The whole world needs an army of sex theropists to correct the damage that has been done by the backwards social standards that dominate our society today. Guys have all kinds of wierd ideas as to what women like, what women don't like, and how to act... I've never really bought into any of it; I guess that's why I've never...

... Men, as a whole, are pretty fucked up psychologically. We all have demons; much darker demons then what any of us care to admit. I don't know if it's our up bringing or if it's testosterone; perhaps it's just apart of being human.

I'm sorry that things like this have happened to you; its even worse knowing that your's is not an uncommon experinece.
 
Lavender, to me you are a brave, strong woman. If this had happened to me I don't know how I would have coped.
To be afraid is a fucking horrible thing to live with. Fear of being raped again or in an uncomfortable situation where someone is trying to pick you up or hassling you sucks.
I wish this had never happened to you or anyone else.

You have guts, and I respect that.
 
I can't see you as being anything but confident and sure of yourself. Nothing can be said to erase the past and I'm sorry it happened ((hug))...do what you think will make you feel best...use it to avoid any possible future nightmares...but don't let it trip you up either!

(I hope that came ou the right way)
 
I feel the need to say this:

*Men* may be predatory, ignorant, selfish, arrogant bastards. I know a lot of them, I share their hormones and their desires. I can easily believe that a man would do things like that to you, and it breaks my heart because it portrayes men...all of us...in such a horribly negative light. It makes people think that men are terrible, horrible things that must be avoided at all costs. And, quite possibly, they're right.

However, do not, repeat, do *not* confuse me: Noel Warner Preecs, Alaskan Citizen, Resident of San Luis Obispo California, with 'men'. Because I am not men. I am me.

If I approach you you may feel perfectly free to smack me with every steriotype you want when you first meet me. That's what steriotypes are for, for quick judgements of people. I implore you, however, not to put together a final verdict on *me* untill after you can seperate the *me* from the *men*. I do not fit every steriotype, and I daresay that it is possible that being in a good, caring, loving relationship with a good, caring man can seriously help many things that come about from unfortunate sexual abuse and rape. But you will never find a caring, loving man if you write us all off.

That is my thesis here. Men may be bastards, but I try my damndest not to be.

-I
 
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