You Might Be a Right Wing Extremist if You...

[amicus]

Believe in God...

Own a Gun...

Attended a 'Tea Party" Rally...

Believe in Life, Liberty & Property

Believe in self-defense

Believe in the National Sovereignty of America (No World Court or UN interference)

Use Tobacco

Like females in dresses & skirts...

Don't like forced bussing to integrate schools

Like school vouchers

Believe illegal aliens should go back...

The list goes on...below is the ten page DHS 'leaked' document. DHS Head Nepolitano has apologized to Veterans and wished she could 'tinker' with the, 'wordsmithing & Washingtonese'. language of the document.

http://www.gordonunleashed.com/HSA - Rightwing Extremism - 09 04 07.pdf

An interesting point was made by Greta Van Susteren on Fox this evening, concerning the activities of Homeland Security looking at conservative activities instead of protecting the United States from terrorists from without.

Who gave the order to investigate Conservatives? And Why?

Them there folks is runnin' scared after only 87 days in office.

Such a deal...

Amicus...all the news, fair and respectful of human values.

 

[Dragonlipz]

More FIXED NEWS chatter over the Sore Loser Net:
As proof of the Fair and Bullshit chatter, I:

own firearms

smoke cigars

drink whiskey

attended a tea party

suffer the company of republicants

have slept with 'conservatives'

believe in God

have defended life, liberty and the bag o chips with an m-16 and a 45 cal.

love women, in skirts or not

went to schools with black folk

VOTED FOR OBAMA - HE WON, GET THE FUCK OVER IT

 

[S-Des]

Like school vouchers

I saw the story on the Obama administration not extending the voucher program in DC (then going the next step and uninviting kids who'd already been accepted for next year). The mom they interviewed was so crushed that her son (and daughter who had just been uninvited) would get kicked out of a good, safe school and be tossed back into the public ones in DC. It would be different if the schools weren't a complete disaster, but despite being funded at a vastly greater amount than the private schools, they are. I wouldn't send a child into that nightmare no matter what it took.

I also heard that the Detroit public school system "misplaced" $54 million. Being from Chicago I can empathize. Our school districts "misplace" money earmarked for the kids all the time (although on the bright side, the bureaucrats & unions always get their share).

 

[amicus]

I saw the piece on the DC schools too and also heard something about closing a rather large number of schools in Detroit because the population has fallen and they have no funding.

Everyone makes note of 'McCarthyism' back in the 50's, and this sounds like a witch-hunt on the right.

I suppose it falls within the jurisdiction of DHS, but the rallies were peaceful and I wonder the motivation.

Ami

 

[TE999]

Believe in God...

Own a Gun...

Attended a 'Tea Party" Rally...

Believe in Life, Liberty & Property

Believe in self-defense

Believe in the National Sovereignty of America (No World Court or UN interference)

Use Tobacco

Like females in dresses & skirts...

Don't like forced bussing to integrate schools

Like school vouchers

Believe illegal aliens should go back...

The list goes on...below is the ten page DHS 'leaked' document. DHS Head Nepolitano has apologized to Veterans and wished she could 'tinker' with the, 'wordsmithing & Washingtonese'. language of the document.

http://www.gordonunleashed.com/HSA - Rightwing Extremism - 09 04 07.pdf

An interesting point was made by Greta Van Susteren on Fox this evening, concerning the activities of Homeland Security looking at conservative activities instead of protecting the United States from terrorists from without.

Who gave the order to investigate Conservatives? And Why?

Them there folks is runnin' scared after only 87 days in office.

Such a deal...

Amicus...all the news, fair and respectful of human values.

I was particularly annoyed by the DHS assumption that all returning veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan were bloodthirsty killers that would immediately join right wing extremist bands of partisans and descend like wolves on the sheep-like populace.

What an utter pantload of crap.

For the record, the same comments were made about returning veterans from WWI, WW2, Ko-War and Nam. The supposition never dies, it just gets transferred to the next generation of those who serve proudly.

 

[DesertPirate]

Don't forget that anyone who mailed a tea bag to A Congresscritter , Senator, or The Anointed" one himself.

Does the new head of Homeland Security seem just a bit paranoid?

She has spent the whole day backtracking on the part about Veterans.
What a group of morons in this administration.

 

[wmrs2]

More FIXED NEWS chatter over the Sore Loser Net:
As proof of the Fair and Bullshit chatter, I:

own firearms

smoke cigars

drink whiskey

attended a tea party

suffer the company of republicants

have slept with 'conservatives'

believe in God

have defended life, liberty and the bag o chips with an m-16 and a 45 cal.

love women, in skirts or not

went to schools with black folk

VOTED FOR OBAMA - HE WON, GET THE FUCK OVER IT

You left out one thing. You are severly depressed and view the world through astigmatic vision.

 

[Liar]

I wonder if I'm the only one noticing a peculiar circle jerking trend in these threads...

 

[amicus]

Gee, Liar, I thought only the usual suspects did that? There be so few to the right of center here....ah, well...

 

[S-Des]

I wonder if I'm the only one noticing a peculiar circle jerking trend in these threads...

Yeah, I NEVER noticed that on Lit before.

 

[JagFarlane]

VOTED FOR OBAMA - HE WON, GET THE FUCK OVER IT

Bleh, as much bitching as there was about Bush [whom btw enjoyed high approval ratings much like Obama does early in his administration], few really said that. Its America, they are supposed to have the right to bitch, moan, and groan. Don't like it, don't read it.

I wonder if I'm the only one noticing a peculiar circle jerking trend in these threads...

Glass houses. While I normally won't participate in political threads anymore, just needed to point out that both sides are throwing stones.

 

[oggbashan]

I was particularly annoyed by the DHS assumption that all returning veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan were bloodthirsty killers that would immediately join right wing extremist bands of partisans and descend like wolves on the sheep-like populace.

What an utter pantload of crap.

For the record, the same comments were made about returning veterans from WWI, WW2, Ko-War and Nam. The supposition never dies, it just gets transferred to the next generation of those who serve proudly.

In Britain, the votes of the returning veterans of WWII were a significant influence in the election of the Labour Party and its "socialist" programme - the only partly socialist government this country has ever had.

The "Khaki Vote" wanted the better world they had fought for, not the betrayal their fathers had experienced after WW1 when "homes for heroes" turned out to be no more than another broken promise. Apart from the nationalisation programme which was reversed by later governments, most of that 1945 Labour Government's legacy has been accepted by all subsequent governments as policy.

The election of a UK Labour government annoyed the US administration so much that they stopped funding the UK's war expenses overnight and insisted on repayment of all loans made during the war. Those US acts came very close to an attempt at regime change in the UK. Some Labour politicians never forgave US politicians. The US administration's behaviour towards the UK meant that the McCarthy witch-hunt was seen in the UK as just another example of US paranoia against helping those worse off than politicians.

Og

 

[Liar]

Gee, Liar, I thought only the usual suspects did that? There be so few to the right of center here....ah, well...

Kind of what I wanted to draw attention to. It doesn't bode well to sneer at "usual suspects" and then be part of a repetitous one-track-minded broken record gang yourself. At least try to vary the pitch. Or you WILL be The Usual Suspect II: A Rush To Scripted Indignation.

 

[Liar]

An interesting point was made by Greta Van Susteren on Fox this evening, concerning the activities of Homeland Security looking at conservative activities instead of protecting the United States from terrorists from without.

Who gave the order to investigate Conservatives? And Why?

Are neo-nazis, white supremacists, the Klan, and militant secessionist extremists who you'd call conservatives?

Alrighty, good to know who you identify with.

And where the fuck did you get the INSTEAD OF part?

Oh wait, don't tell me, it still smells of your rectum.

 

[Liar]

Glass houses. While I normally won't participate in political threads anymore, just needed to point out that both sides are throwing stones.

True. And both sides need a mirror now and then. I decided to provide one this time. Feel free to provide one for me.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Are neo-nazis, white supremacists, the Klan, and militant secessionist extremists who you'd call conservatives?

Alrighty, good to know who you identify with.

And where the fuck did you get the INSTEAD OF part?

Oh wait, don't tell me, it still smells of your rectum.

Real conservatives generally dont bother anyone unless theyre forced to, and there is no other remedy. Mostly we leave others alone, and want to be left alone.

 

[Guest]

Fer fuck's sake, people:

During a series of interviews on network news programs, she was asked about the report's assertion that some U.S. military veterans [/B]could be seen as potential converts to right-wing extremism during a down economy.

The report was "an assessment, not an accusation," Napolitano said. "We do not mean to suggest that veterans as a whole are at risk of becoming violent extremists."

She also said, "I apologize for that offense. It was certainly not intended."

Napolitano suggested that critics have taken the report's findings out of context and that there has been a lot of political spinning "out there in Washington, D.C. land."

Several lawmakers and the American Legion took offense to the report. The Veterans of Foreign Wars defended it as an assessment, not an accusation.

In February, the department issued a similar warning about possible cyber attacks from left wing extremists. In September, the agency reported that right-wing extremists over the past five years had used the immigration debate as a recruiting tool. Since September, the agency issued at least four reports on individual domestic extremist groups such as Hammerskin Nation, a skinhead organization.

In the September 26, 2008, Hammerskin assessment, the agency says that a number of the group's members have received "extensive military training" and served in Iraq and Afghanistan. The report said the veterans have the training needed to build large scale bombs, like the type used in the Oklahoma City bombing.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30243205/


So, let's see: the report, suggests that some disaffected veterans could be susceptible to recruitment by right-wing extremists. Wow--earth-shaking revelation!

The same DHS released a report in February warning about possible left-wing extremist cyber attacks. Who gave the order to investigate the left-wingers?

The same DHS, under the Bush administration, investigated potential threats from a domestic right-wing extremist organization whose members include veterans of Afghanistan and Iraq. Wow--guess there might be some validity to the assessment.

Go peddle your papers.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

GNOME

Most, if not all, veterans possess a high degree of self-discipline, and the discipline is constantly reinforced during their tenure in the military. They almost always conform to social norms and conventions.

The people who typically go apeshit are college students.

 

[Guest]

GNOME

Most, if not all, veterans possess a high degree of self-discipline, and the discipline is constantly reinforced during their tenure in the military. They almost always conform to social norms and conventions.

The people who typically go apeshit are college students.

Which assertion, of course, explains why some Iraq and Afghanistan vets have joined an extremist right-wing group. Good thinking, James.

ETA: let's not forget Timothy McVeigh, who was also a veteran. As am I, for that matter; I don't for a second think that DHS is concerned about the entire population of veterans--just those who don't reacclimatize into society and who have the training and the the motive to do something violent to express their displeasure.

 

[S-Des]

Fer fuck's sake, people:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30243205/

I'm just amused you sited MSNBC as a source. I'm wondering what the reaction would be if I sited Fox or Rush Limbaugh.

Did it mention if any of the administration official's had a tingle running up their leg?

The report also sites absolutely no proof that there is any real danger, other than increased "chatter" among groups who's descriptions are so vague, they could describe everyone who doesn't like Obama, illegal immigration, gay marriage, abortion, higher taxes, or who listens to Right-leaning talk radio (not all of them, mind you....any one is sufficient). It may have some legitimate points, but they're lost in a sea of vagueness and sloppy guess-work.

 

[DesertPirate]

Are neo-nazis, white supremacists, the Klan, and militant secessionist extremists who you'd call conservatives?

Most of us just consider them despicable scum.

 

[NoJo]

In Britain, the votes of the returning veterans of WWII were a significant influence in the election of the Labour Party and its "socialist" programme - the only partly socialist government this country has ever had.

The "Khaki Vote" wanted the better world they had fought for, not the betrayal their fathers had experienced after WW1 when "homes for heroes" turned out to be no more than another broken promise. Apart from the nationalisation programme which was reversed by later governments, most of that 1945 Labour Government's legacy has been accepted by all subsequent governments as policy.

The election of a UK Labour government annoyed the US administration so much that they stopped funding the UK's war expenses overnight and insisted on repayment of all loans made during the war. Those US acts came very close to an attempt at regime change in the UK. Some Labour politicians never forgave US politicians. The US administration's behaviour towards the UK meant that the McCarthy witch-hunt was seen in the UK as just another example of US paranoia against helping those worse off than politicians.

Og

Fucking hell, that's the best synopsis of post-war history of US/UK relations I've ever read

 

[Guest]

I'm just amused you sited MSNBC as a source. I'm wondering what the reaction would be if I sited Fox or Rush Limbaugh.

Did it mention if any of the administration official's had a tingle running up their leg?

The report also sites absolutely no proof that there is any real danger, other than increased "chatter" among groups who's descriptions are so vague, they could describe everyone who doesn't like Obama, illegal immigration, gay marriage, abortion, higher taxes, or who listens to Right-leaning talk radio (not all of them, mind you....any one is sufficient). It may have some legitimate points, but they're lost in a sea of vagueness and sloppy guess-work.

It's an AP article, not MSNBC reporting. Unless you're suggesting that the AP is biased?

Also, did you read the report on left-wing cyber attacks? It suggests that such attacks are likely to increase over the next decade but gives no indication of an immediate threat. It points out that such attacks have occurred and gives reasons why they may be expected to increase. And, by the way, the report focused heavily on animal-rights groups, but I don't hear a huge public uproar about singling out a group. As a veteran myself, I don't equate animal-rights activists with men and women who have served honorably in the armed forces--merely pointing out that DHS is reasonably consistent in identifying classes of individuals who may pose a threat.

I have no great love for DHS, but I do think they're in an impossible position--they only have to fail once to be seen as complete failures. And, while I haven't tracked it down, I suspect that DHS is mandated to review and assess potential threats and to make those assessments available to law enforcement and other agencies. I could be wrong about that.

 

[S-Des]

I have no great love for DHS, but I do think they're in an impossible position--they only have to fail once to be seen as complete failures. And, while I haven't tracked it down, I suspect that DHS is mandated to review and assess potential threats and to make those assessments available to law enforcement and other agencies. I could be wrong about that.

I don't disagree at all. The problem is in the sloppy nature of the report (no studies or facts to back the claim, which gives the impression it was thrown together carelessly). I've heard about the Left-wing version and agree it's equally as stupid. What would have been nice is if they had assumed it might eventually leak, so took care in who they labeled as a potential threat and kept it to people who could be a serious risk. If you make it too vague, how does it help anyway?

 

[Guest]

I don't disagree at all. The problem is in the sloppy nature of the report (no studies or facts to back the claim, which gives the impression it was thrown together carelessly). I've heard about the Left-wing version and agree it's equally as stupid. What would have been nice is if they had assumed it might eventually leak, so took care in who they labeled as a potential threat and kept it to people who could be a serious risk. If you make it too vague, how does it help anyway?

I agree that the reports lack documentation--I wonder if, knowing that they would be leaked, DHS deliberately decided to withhold sources? Just a thought.

I see some value (albeit not a great deal) in giving a heads-up on emerging trends to local law enforcement; may prompt them to reassess activities and actors in their respective areas.

Not the greatest parallel, but it's sort of like the threat of a bird flu pandemic; animal-to-human transmission is still relatively rare, relatively few birds in the U.S. have been found to carry H5N1, and the virus may mutate and the threat to humans become non-existent--but the warning's gone out anyway.