You are not brave enough to read this: one hard core feminist's view on US feminism

[LJ_Reloaded]

http://www.iwf.org/media/2795639/Women-of-Valor-Remarks-[2014]:-Ayaan-Hirsi-Ali

Feminists in this country and in the West fought against that and won the battle. It’s what we do with the victory. What we are now doing with that victory – and I agree with you if you condemn that – I condemn whole heartedly for the trivial bullshit it is – to go after a man who makes a scientific breakthrough and all that we organized women do is to fret about his shirt. We must reclaim and retake feminism from our fellow idiotic women.

If you want to make an accusation against the left liberals that will stick it is their power to trivialize what it is that women want and need. As an individual I am in a place, and in a country, and in an environment where I refuse for someone else to speak for me or to victimize me. And that is what we need to reclaim.

Lets not throw away feminism. It’s like throwing away the Civil Rights movement and its history. It’s like throwing away the history of the Apartheid movement, or the anti-slavery movement. Feminism is not the monster. Some women are. We can reclaim it. We have to make it serious and you’re on the right path by standing up and giving them opposition.

I am a feminist. I am a grateful and vicious feminist. I’ll tell you what we need to fight against – the real war on women.

Who is this woman who dares to criticize feminism? Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

born Ayaan Hirsi Magan,[a] on 13 November 1969) is a Dutch-American activist, author, and former politician of Somali origin. She is a leading opponent of female genital mutilation, and calls for a reformation of Islam.[1] She is supportive of women's rights and is an atheist. Her latest book was released in 2015 and is called: Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now.

Hirsi Ali is the daughter of the Somali politician and opposition leader Hirsi Magan Isse. She and her family left Somalia in 1977 for Saudi Arabia, then Ethiopia, and later settled in Kenya. In 1992, Ali sought and obtained political asylum in the Netherlands. Following graduate work, she published articles on her political views and spoke in support of Muslim women becoming atheist.

In 2003, Hirsi Ali was elected a member of the House of Representatives (the lower house of the Dutch parliament), representing the People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD). A political crisis related to the validity of her Dutch citizenship led to her resignation from parliament, and indirectly to the fall of the second Balkenende cabinet in 2006.[2]

Ayaan has been a vocal critic of Islam. In 2004, she collaborated on a short movie with Theo van Gogh, entitled Submission, the English rendering of the word "Islam", a film about the oppression of women under Islam. The documentary sparked controversy, which resulted in death threats against the two and the eventual assassination of Van Gogh later that year by a Dutch Muslim. In a 2007 interview, she described Islam as an "enemy" that needs to be defeated before peace can be achieved.[3] But in her latest book Heretic (2015) she moderated her views of Islam and now calls for a reform of the religion by supporting reformist Muslims.[4]

This woman has done more for women's actual rights than forty of America's top currently living feminists combined.

Anyone who wants to question her feminist creds should try asking the right-wing Protestant Christian political party about her.

 

[pointless]

you spelled bored wrong in the title. you should probably fix that.

 

[Queersetti]

http://www.iwf.org/media/2795639/Women-of-Valor-Remarks-[2014]:-Ayaan-Hirsi-Ali


Who is this woman who dares to criticize feminism? Ayaan Hirsi Ali.


This woman has done more for women's actual rights than forty of America's top currently living feminists combined.

Any particular 40, or a random sampling of 40?

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Any particular 40, or a random sampling of 40?

Youpickem. This woman has topped them. The fact that she has taken on radical Islam, by itself, tops anything any currently living American feminists have done, combined.

All American feminists ever do is bash transgendered people, whine about supposed sexism in games, post 'kill all men' shit on Twitter, protest male sex toys, defend paternity fraud, call for men to be put in camps, propose curfews for men, disrupt battered men's forums, and punch dudes for wearing meninist shirts.

Going up against a bunch of organized nutters who will cross continents to blow your ass up or gun it the fuck down, while acquiring a sense of nuance to support reformist Muslims, nah, that ain't today's American feminism.

Hell, I could throw in Canadian feminists, too. All they do is pull fire alarms when men gather to discuss men's issues.

Face it dude, Ayaan Hirsi Ali has more clanking steel plated feminist hairy nutsack than all y'all. And she still sees American feminism as overzealous horseshit.

Women like her have a free reign to take down American feminist zealotry because men like you fear to call her out, because she is a woman... and an accomplished feminist.

Point of fact, if I were a woman, you would never have posted 1/10th of the vitriol you do at me regarding my disdain for American feminism. Because chivalry and all that bullshit. Your weakness is as subtle as an urban sinkhole.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Point of fact, if I were a woman, you would never have posted 1/10th of the vitriol you do at me regarding my disdain for American feminism. Because chivalry and all that bullshit. Your weakness is as subtle as an urban sinkhole.

And it turns out I was right.

 

[badbabysitter]

I've read this kind of argument too many times to count

it's a recurring argument amongst feminists actually.. cant go more then a few days without hearing it


it's essentially about 1st world feminism and choice feminism versus.. literally every other form of feminism

it's a common gripe that there are feminists who get behind something which honestly seems small and petty, whilst seemingly ignoring other important issues

but you get the counter that even the person who makes that argument picks and chooses what causes they get behind to

take for example the very person who wrote the op-ed.. you say she's taken on radical islam when in fact she actually hates Islam as a whole.. for example..here's a quote from her

"Violence is inherent in Islam – it's a destructive, nihilistic cult of death. It legitimates murder."

and she is fully entitled to her opinions... but she demonizes even the moderates of Islam

by her own logic.. people should ignore Islamophobia because certain muslims are extremists

or another argument is that you cant fight everything simultaneously

yes, we should take the fight to societies where women are still treated as property.. but not at the expense of ignoring other shit


for example when slavery was ended in your country.. do you think we should have stopped there, I mean people are free now.. why worry about being allowed to vote?

 

[lovecraft68]

All women should hate Islam, just don't do it publicly or you will be gang raped, have acid thrown in your face and stoned to death.

There is nothing more misogynistic and disgusting than a muslim man and their despicable treatment of women. Pure scum, period.

 

[aella_345]

And it turns out I was right.

You're aella?! I KNEW IT!

 

[badbabysitter]

All women should hate Islam, just don't do it publicly or you will be gang raped, have acid thrown in your face and stoned to death.

There is nothing more misogynistic and disgusting than a muslim man and their despicable treatment of women. Pure scum, period.

I have zero love for Islam, but I'm not going to try denying the right to practice it

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

All women should hate Islam, just don't do it publicly or you will be gang raped, have acid thrown in your face and stoned to death.

There is nothing more misogynistic and disgusting than a muslim man and their despicable treatment of women. Pure scum, period.

Even reformist Muslims?

You sound a lot like busybody now...

 

[Aella_]

Yup.
I think that several religions used to preach certain things that are now outdated.
And there have been efforts to make them more compatible with the values of the 21st century

Re mysogyny:
both Islam and Christianity contained such elements.
However, I believe that they did a better job in bringing Christianity into the 21st century (from this pov: their view of women).
Islam is on it's way but not entirely so. Some muslim countries have done a better job than other muslim countries. But in saying that, there still are a lot of muslim mysoginists out there.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Yup.
I think that several religions used to preach certain elements that are now outdated.
And there have been efforts to make them more compatible with the values of the 21st century

Re mysogyny:
both Islam and Christianity contained such elements.
However, I believe that they did a better job in bringing Christianity into the 21st century (from this pov: their view of women).
Islam is on it's way but not entirely so. Some muslim countries have done a better job than other muslim countries. But in saying that, there still are a lot of muslim mysoginists out there.

No denying that. However it's much harder to weed out the misogynists from the non-misogynists than to take the lazy route and say they're all misogynists NUKE THEM ALL ARRRRARRRRRGGGHHHH

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

So Sean Renaud says I think all feminists are bad?