Yesterday was a Sweep Day
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OverconfidentSarcasm
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If it shows what I think it's showing, I guess I now know why the site's been fucked up for most of the day...
dmallord
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Hey, Simon -
Strangely, when I was viewing the thread, I didn't see the Delta column that now shows up in this reply. Curious, but that shows what he intended to state, I suppose.
My read on it is that the sweep he noted shows changes between the votes on those two dates . The second group of average ratings shows the results between the rating that occurs due to the sweep. 8Letters points out that LW lost 4K votes [subtracting is 3,928 or about 4K; the vote change difference in that drop is -0.011 for LW]
What is crazy in my mind is that LW is a voting frenzy category!
It was nice to see all this in one report. Thanks 8Letters.
SimonDoom
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I don't think he included "30 day" in the heading next to "top lists" the first time. That's why I was confused. Plus, this must be the scoring toplist, not the views toplist, because the views toplist doesn't reveal vote totals.
That's a helluva lot of work to compile that data.
If I understand it, these are the top 250 highest-scored stories published in the last 30 days, or fewer than 250 if fewer than 250 were published.
The most surprising thing is the disparity between Incest and Loving Wives. Incest stories tend to dominate the most-views toplists. But here, total votes for LW stories are over twice what they are for the Incest stories. It's possible that many highly viewed stories are not showing up on the top-rated list, and it's also possible that LW stories have much higher vote to view ratios than incest stories do.
That's a helluva lot of work to compile that data.
If I understand it, these are the top 250 highest-scored stories published in the last 30 days, or fewer than 250 if fewer than 250 were published.
The most surprising thing is the disparity between Incest and Loving Wives. Incest stories tend to dominate the most-views toplists. But here, total votes for LW stories are over twice what they are for the Incest stories. It's possible that many highly viewed stories are not showing up on the top-rated list, and it's also possible that LW stories have much higher vote to view ratios than incest stories do.
Bramblethorn
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If I understand correctly, this means that yesterday the top 10 stories posted in LW over the past 30 days had 172,734 votes, and today the top 10 had 168,806 votes, and so on.
If that's correct, then his interpretation that "Loving Wives had 4k votes swept" isn't valid. It'd be perfectly possible to get a drop like that without a single vote being deleted, because we don't know whether we're comparing the same 10 stories.
Supposing yesterday there was a 30-day-old story in the LW 30-day list, with 20,000 votes. (Pretty plausible given the totals for the top list. Today, that story would have aged out of the list and been replaced by a new one. If the replacement has only 16,000 votes, then we'd see a drop of 4k votes without any sweeps at all.
It's a pity he's not reading the replies, because there's a fairly simple way to fix that problem that would make the numbers much more meaningful, but I guess he's not even going to know there's a problem.
Edit: now I double-check, there's a top-10 list and a top-250 list for the last 30 days; I was thinking of the top-10 list, but from the vote totals I think he's actually working from the top-250 list. Same problem still applies though; presumably on any given day about 8 of those stories would've aged off the list, so we'd expect to see changes in the vote totals just from that churn.
If that's correct, then his interpretation that "Loving Wives had 4k votes swept" isn't valid. It'd be perfectly possible to get a drop like that without a single vote being deleted, because we don't know whether we're comparing the same 10 stories.
Supposing yesterday there was a 30-day-old story in the LW 30-day list, with 20,000 votes. (Pretty plausible given the totals for the top list. Today, that story would have aged out of the list and been replaced by a new one. If the replacement has only 16,000 votes, then we'd see a drop of 4k votes without any sweeps at all.
It's a pity he's not reading the replies, because there's a fairly simple way to fix that problem that would make the numbers much more meaningful, but I guess he's not even going to know there's a problem.
Edit: now I double-check, there's a top-10 list and a top-250 list for the last 30 days; I was thinking of the top-10 list, but from the vote totals I think he's actually working from the top-250 list. Same problem still applies though; presumably on any given day about 8 of those stories would've aged off the list, so we'd expect to see changes in the vote totals just from that churn.
EmilyMiller
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Why are you all engaging with this guy who has left, apart from all the quack stats he posts of course?
Why am I doing the same? I should stop, right?
Em
Why am I doing the same? I should stop, right?
Em
djrip
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Stats can be interesting regardless of who posts them. But I don't know how much weight to give these. If accurate, it is weird that LW sweeps brought the average down, it doesn't seem like a category with inflated scores or lots of 5s. Just the opposite actually.
Bramblethorn
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Very left. Much absent. Wow.
Bramblethorn
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Again, we don't know that sweeps did cause that drop in the average. Other possibility is that some high-scoring stories aged out of the list and the ones that replaced them were lower.
AwkwardlySet
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Kinda goes against your theory that LW readers are more intelligent?
RejectReality
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Most viewed and highest scoring are wildly divergent in Incest for the most part. The higher score stories are usually longer and suffer in the view department.
Priscilla_June
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Very cool information, thanks for sharing!
Dearelliot
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I wonder if there are set boundaries for LW stories.
ElectricBlue
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Like the other guy who famously "left". He's still here, giving feedback. Shrug.
Emilymcplugger
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On the upside it does show a lot to of interaction on some of the other categories and that’s good information to have.
For THE PROCESS it could have fit in a while raft of categories but now I know that sci-fi is where it belongs as the engagement is better.
For THE PROCESS it could have fit in a while raft of categories but now I know that sci-fi is where it belongs as the engagement is better.
Emilymcplugger
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Or they can’t use their phones and keep pressing one by accident.
Rob_Royale
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Can't wait for the next one.
MrPixel
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Candidate for the ignore list. <click!> I find the whole "pronouncement from on high, don't bother questioning my data, methods or motivations" approach to this to be maybe just a touch arrogant. He's pulled this crap before.
EmilyMiller
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ElectricBlue
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He's made an assumption there's been a sweep gone through during the period in the data set - I'm with Bramblethorn that it's different "top stories" leading to different numbers.
Did a sweep go through on 5th June? Anyone know? My CP is still whirling wheels of death - I usually can spot a sweep in my numbers.
I'm inclined to think, like MrPixel, it's all part of 8letters vendetta against the AH for "hounding him off the site," which conveniently overlooks his blatant plagiarism which got him busted. Don't forget who the OP is, folks.
djrip
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Well that, and also the fact that there was no hounding and no one (almost) suggested he should pull anything down over the issue.
ElectricBlue
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The Feedback Forum moderator had some strong thoughts on that point, which I think most people missed. He said people had been kicked off the site before for gross plagiarism, but left that call to the perpetrator in this occasion. Who then left, still thinking he had done nothing wrong.
djrip
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I recall one or two people being fairly worked up (don't recall which), but generally it seemed to me like most people thought he should just edit the plagiarized passages into something original, or pull just that one story. Which is what I thought as well. Pulling everything seemed like a hissy fit, not a reasonable response.
Bramblethorn
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FWIW, I'm not saying there wasn't a sweep at that time, and for all I know he has reason to think so beyond what he's shared here. But what he has shared doesn't confirm a sweep, and even if there was a sweep at that time, it's not clear how much of the vote count change is attributable to that vs. how much is due to stories leaving/entering that list.
