Ya know I been thinking

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

And I must say I am coming close to a conclusion that God is a Dom {sorry I do feel God is a male so I can't do the /me thing}.

But really what does a BDSM dom/me want from my understanding?

It seems to me that a good dom/me wants utmost trust from thier sub/be. They want an understanding from thier sub/be that they will not hurt them. They want an understanding that they want to help them to grow and mature. They want to give thier sub/be the very pleasure they seek and deserve.

But what does God want from his followers?

He wants thier trust in him. He wants to insure that they won't be hurt placing thier trust and themselves in His hands. He wants to insure thier growth and maturity physically, mentally, spiritually. He wants to give his followers such intense pleasure beyond anything they have ever known.

What happens when a sub/be doesn't trust in thier dom/me?

Generally they tend to get hurt. There dom/me doesn't get the opportunity to show how much they truely care. They leave relationships unfulfilled. They will shift blame to thier dom/me when they themselves do something that is wrong, or they themselves cause the outcome to not be good.

What happens when a follower doesn't trust in God?

A persons feelings get hurt. God doesn't get the opportunity to full express his love to them. They will sometimes leave God frustrated. They will blame God when bad things happen that they cause. They will blame God for allowing bad things to happen in the world.

The comparisons go on and on in my head, but I think you can get the picture of what I am trying to draw out here. The God I read about and trust in is a perfect, loving Dom. He wants nothing more for me to utterly place my trust in him not to hurt me and to give me such extreme pleasure and happiness. A good Dom/me wants the same things from the sub/be.

But before a sub/be can enter or recieve that relation ship with a good Dom/me they must realise that they are a sub/be, they must relaize that thier is nothing they can do about it for themselves, they must understand thier need for a dom/me, and place there trust and faith in the Dom/me who wants to love them.

Dagnavit, see what you people have done to me now.

 

[MissTaken]

Yes, Todd.

We, from the Darker Side, have corrupted you!




Actually, many parellels can be drawn.

Doesn't someone who truly has faith in their God, grant that God power over their lives coupled with trust in what is best?

However, to say that a Dom/me is akin to God, is ludicrous.

Dom/mes are human. They make mistakes and faith isn't blindly given.

The trust is given based upon love and a demonstration of the trust being well placed.

You may argue that it is the same with God's love etc, but I will argue the point vehemently with you.

Isn't any openly loving relationship based on the same principles you described? Parent/child, Husband and wife, etc.

It isn't just BDSM. Trust as used in the context of BDSM is translatable and necessary in any healthy relationship.

 

[Ebonyfire]

And I must say I am coming close to a conclusion that God is a Dom {sorry I do feel God is a male so I can't do the /me thing}.

But really what does a BDSM dom/me want from my understanding?

It seems to me that a good dom/me wants utmost trust from thier sub/be. They want an understanding from thier sub/be that they will not hurt them. They want an understanding that they want to help them to grow and mature. They want to give thier sub/be the very pleasure they seek and deserve.

But what does God want from his followers?

He wants thier trust in him. He wants to insure that they won't be hurt placing thier trust and themselves in His hands. He wants to insure thier growth and maturity physically, mentally, spiritually. He wants to give his followers such intense pleasure beyond anything they have ever known.

What happens when a sub/be doesn't trust in thier dom/me?

Generally they tend to get hurt. There dom/me doesn't get the opportunity to show how much they truely care. They leave relationships unfulfilled. They will shift blame to thier dom/me when they themselves do something that is wrong, or they themselves cause the outcome to not be good.

What happens when a follower doesn't trust in God?

A persons feelings get hurt. God doesn't get the opportunity to full express his love to them. They will sometimes leave God frustrated. They will blame God when bad things happen that they cause. They will blame God for allowing bad things to happen in the world.

The comparisons go on and on in my head, but I think you can get the picture of what I am trying to draw out here. The God I read about and trust in is a perfect, loving Dom. He wants nothing more for me to utterly place my trust in him not to hurt me and to give me such extreme pleasure and happiness. A good Dom/me wants the same things from the sub/be.

But before a sub/be can enter or recieve that relation ship with a good Dom/me they must realise that they are a sub/be, they must relaize that thier is nothing they can do about it for themselves, they must understand thier need for a dom/me, and place there trust and faith in the Dom/me who wants to love them.

Dagnavit, see what you people have done to me now.

The Goddess forgives you, Todd.

Ebony

 

[Blackbich]

Ha...see what happens when you hang with the really kinky folk??

 

[MissTaken]

Ha...see what happens when you hang with the really kinky folk??

It really messes with your head?

 

[~Dream~]

well I dont forgive quite so easily lol

nice try tho Todd...I'll give you that much..
God (Allah) Needs absolutely NOTHING from noone!! ever
He ,is self-sustaining and as I have learned andBELIEVE He created us and the whole Universe...not the other way around..God IS aBSOLUTE....
Dom's on the other hand ..NEED subs...for who are they gonna Control/ theirselves? lol..if a power exchange is needed,from where "COMES' the power?
Allah,is the 'Mover' after all has stopped Moving..ie the universe,energy...He shall STILL exist..
subs Dont NEED to follow Doms unless they seek to truly be fulfilled...God however,needs no followers..NEEDS *NOTHING*

JMHO

 

[willfulbrat]

Todd, i can see where you're coming from. I was raised to submit to God's authority and obey Him, and when i am submitting to my Dom, it often feels like a spiritual exercise. I don't know if God is a Dom, but i do know He craves our submission and obedience, and there can be consequences if we follow our will instead of His own.

It's an interesting viewpoint. Kind of bizarre, but does inspire some thought.

 

[~Dream~]

good point willfull

Todd, i can see where you're coming from. I was raised to submit to God's authority and obey Him, and when i am submitting to my Dom, it often feels like a spiritual exercise. I don't know if God is a Dom, but i do know He craves our submission and obedience, and there can be consequences if we follow our will instead of His own.

It's an interesting viewpoint. Kind of bizarre, but does inspire some thought.

I can see where you may say that but I still think that WE are the ones who Crave for God,NOT the other way around
THE CONSEQUENCES of NOT following God's will for our lives however=death
if we dont listen to our Dom/Master He isnt condeming us to die(altho we may certainly feel like it inside)..

 

[NemoAlia]

This is an interesting thread, Todd! However, I'm most struck by MissT's response to your original question. She writes, "Doesn't someone who truly has faith in their God, grant that God power over their lives coupled with trust in what is best?"

In my opinion, someone who has faith in their God does not grant Him/Her power over his/her life. Instead, God has power over a person's life, since that life cannot exist without Him/Her.

The difference, then, between God and a Dom/me (of course, there are several differences, as pointed out by the many wise minds already apparent on this thread) is that a person chooses to give him/herself to a Dom/me; whereas there is not a choice involved in the human/God relationship. To believe in an omnipresent, omnipotent God is to not believe (there needs to be a better word for that) that you have the choice of either giving yourself up to Him/Her or not.

With D/s, there is always a choice. There is life without one's Dom/me -- before Him/her, apart from Him/Her, and after Him/Her (should the situation ever arrives).

 

[cymbidia]

Hey Todd, i'm an agnostic, as you know, and i only popped into this thread cuz you wrote and i just looooove you. I have a note that says i don't have to post on threads that deal with religious matters, okay?

Before i go, though, i have a question and a comment: what in the world is a "sub/be" and where the hell did you drag this ugly term in from?

Take it outside!
It's stinky and it's staining the floors!

"Submissive" is good.
"Sub" is a totally acceptable alternative.
"Subbie" is okay if you want to be kinda cutesy.
But "sub/be"? C'mon! We're already juggling enough diminutives!

 

[Justina123]

Walking down the aisle to receive communion, head bowed, eyes
downcast, hands folded in front of me, I approach the minister and he offers me the bread and wine, symbols of the One who loves, accepts and understands me as no other can. As I take Him into my mouth and renew my devotion to Him...what more submissive experience can there be?

Some days life seems to pile up, too many responsibilities, too
little joy, one of the kids acts up or it seems too much... a little
talk with the Lord and He reminds me, "There hath no temptation taken you, but such as is common to man. But God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." (1 Co. 10:13) And sure enough, my perspective gets restored and sooner or later, I find out He knew what He was doing- the perfect Dominant, knows just how much I can take and how much is in some way good for me. (The above verse is also a great one that comes to mind in a heavy play scene...)

<<Oh, oh, now I've gone and done it- let the cat out of the bag, yes, I am a submissive and a Christian , all at once, and find the two to be very compatible!>>

 

[cellis]

As Miss T so aptly put it...

Welcome to the Dark Side!

That is a nice analogy.

I am not buying it however Himself will....

 

[MissTaken]

As Miss T so aptly put it...

Welcome to the Dark Side!

That is a nice analogy.

I am not buying it however Himself will....

*smirks*

I have found it to be rather


errrr


enlightening!

There is nothing "Dark" about BDSM.

 

[MissTaken]

Backing up

This is an interesting thread, Todd! However, I'm most struck by MissT's response to your original question. She writes, "Doesn't someone who truly has faith in their God, grant that God power over their lives coupled with trust in what is best?"

In my opinion, someone who has faith in their God does not grant Him/Her power over his/her life. Instead, God has power over a person's life, since that life cannot exist without Him/Her.

With D/s, there is always a choice. There is life without one's Dom/me -- before Him/her, apart from Him/Her, and after Him/Her (should the situation ever arrives).

I suppose that in part, this has to do with a muddled belief system such as mine. We do have control over how much and how far we submit to God.

My mother explains that her faith and devotion grow with each year of growth in the church. That being the case, she must be open to growth as a sub must be open to the will of his/her Dom.

If you ask an athiest, there is life without God.

Now, I am confusing myself, isn anyone else here with me?

Anyway, I still think that making a direct link between God and a Dom/me is not equitable. Perhaps our Todd will realize the differences as he continues to explore U/us and the lifestyle.

 

[NemoAlia]

You're right, MissT, about an atheist's potential 'take' on the matter. I mean, an atheist lives, certainly, and since there is no God in their belief structure, they live without God -- in support of your argument.

However, I think that people who do believe in an all-powerful God, although they can choose how much they 'submit' to Him/Her in their heart and mind (assuming that they believe in Free Will), cannot ultimately choose how much power that God has over their lives.

Perhaps a good way of compromising would be to rephrase your original question, "Doesn't someone who truly has faith in their God, grant that God power over their lives coupled with trust in what is best?" into a question that reads:

"Doesn't someone who truly has faith in their God grant that God has power over their lives?"

 

[morninggirl5]

And I must say I am coming close to a conclusion that God is a Dom {sorry I do feel God is a male so I can't do the /me thing}.

But really what does a BDSM dom/me want from my understanding?

It seems to me that a good dom/me wants utmost trust from thier sub/be. They want an understanding from thier sub/be that they will not hurt them. They want an understanding that they want to help them to grow and mature. They want to give thier sub/be the very pleasure they seek and deserve.

But what does God want from his followers?

He wants thier trust in him. He wants to insure that they won't be hurt placing thier trust and themselves in His hands. He wants to insure thier growth and maturity physically, mentally, spiritually. He wants to give his followers such intense pleasure beyond anything they have ever known.

What happens when a sub/be doesn't trust in thier dom/me?

Generally they tend to get hurt. There dom/me doesn't get the opportunity to show how much they truely care. They leave relationships unfulfilled. They will shift blame to thier dom/me when they themselves do something that is wrong, or they themselves cause the outcome to not be good.

What happens when a follower doesn't trust in God?

A persons feelings get hurt. God doesn't get the opportunity to full express his love to them. They will sometimes leave God frustrated. They will blame God when bad things happen that they cause. They will blame God for allowing bad things to happen in the world.

The comparisons go on and on in my head, but I think you can get the picture of what I am trying to draw out here. The God I read about and trust in is a perfect, loving Dom. He wants nothing more for me to utterly place my trust in him not to hurt me and to give me such extreme pleasure and happiness. A good Dom/me wants the same things from the sub/be.

But before a sub/be can enter or recieve that relation ship with a good Dom/me they must realise that they are a sub/be, they must relaize that thier is nothing they can do about it for themselves, they must understand thier need for a dom/me, and place there trust and faith in the Dom/me who wants to love them.

Dagnavit, see what you people have done to me now.

Todd, you just outlined why i believe my very strict Southern Baptist family would have very little problem with me saying to them "i'm submissive". After the shock that i'm not a virgin wore off, of course.

You left out the parts about how God designed women to be submissive to their husbands, though. C'mon, if you're gonna draw these lines between God and BDSM, you've got to make sure you mention how God intended for us all to be that way.