Wyoming wants to phase out EV's

[LLCox]

Sounds more like GOP theater but they have a point. I think EV's are perfect for city people who never stray more than fifty miles from home. They can always rent a gas guzzler to go out of the county and back. I have to drive twenty miles just to START to go somewhere. Sure cuts down on eating out. I like it that way.

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/wyoming-lawmakers-propose-bill-phase-out-evs-2035

 

[colddiesel]

Wyoming contains less than 2 thousandths (0.17%) of the US population so the car makers won't be terrified! Modern EV's are now regularly getting ranges in excess of 350 up to 500 miles and 90% of charging is done at home. New rare earths supplies have come on stream at a rapid rate in the last 12 months, particularly in Australia, Canada, Brazil, and Sweden. There are more than 400 EV Charging stations so far in Wyoming. There are 322 Gas Stations in the State.(each with multiple pumps)

The main problem with charging from the domestic supply in the USA is the gutless voltage/amps, compared with most first world countries. That means each EV owner probably needs to buy and install a stage 2 charger which will cost between $200 and $600. That is a tiny fraction of the capital required to build a gas station. I live in Queensland (Australia), a state 9 times bigger than Wyoming and about 62 miles to the nearest gas station, over unsealed roads, so understand the issues. We buy in diesel fuel 2000 gallons delivered to our tankage. Our recently bought first EV, is supplied from an existing domestic solar array. For us physical ruggedness of the vehicle will probably be a bigger factor than range.

Looks like silly season stuff from the legislators.

 

[drobert44]

Wyoming contains less than 2 thousandths (0.17%) of the US population so the car makers won't be terrified! Modern EV's are now regularly getting ranges in excess of 350 up to 500 miles and 90% of charging is done at home. New rare earths supplies have come on stream at a rapid rate in the last 12 months, particularly in Australia, Canada, Brazil, and Sweden. There are more than 400 EV Charging stations so far in Wyoming. There are 322 Gas Stations in the State.(each with multiple pumps)

The main problem with charging from the domestic supply in the USA is the gutless voltage/amps, compared with most first world countries. That means each EV owner probably needs to buy and install a stage 2 charger which will cost between $200 and $600. That is a tiny fraction of the capital required to build a gas station. I live in Queensland (Australia), a state 9 times bigger than Wyoming and about 62 miles to the nearest gas station, over unsealed roads, so understand the issues. We buy in diesel fuel 2000 gallons delivered to our tankage. Our recently bought first EV, is supplied from an existing domestic solar array. For us physical ruggedness of the vehicle will probably be a bigger factor than range.

Looks like silly season stuff from the legislators.

I wont go there.......

 

[PaxNurgle]

I don't think the state government of Wyoming should have any more authority to ban EV's than the federal government should have the power to ban gasoline vehicles.

I oppose both of these mandates. Let the consumers make their own choices. I don't want the government forcing me to buy an electric vehicle, nor would I want some grandstanding anti-environmental state government extremist telling me I can't have one. Gasoline vehicles make much more sense in rural areas, particularly mountainous areas with less dense population and rugged roads.

 

[Chernosoth]

Wyoming sometimes has highways closed due to snow in June. I wouldn't have anything less than AWD or 4WD as a resident there. Gas or diesel, definitely not electric.

 

[Lazaran]

Wyoming sometimes has highways closed due to snow in June. I wouldn't have anything less than AWD or 4WD as a resident there. Gas or diesel, definitely not electric.

Please educate yourself:

• As more models are electrified, the benefits of electric cars with AWD become clearer. With instant torque and exact throttle control, an inherent feature of electric vehicles (EVs), automakers are able to fine-tune driving dynamics and enhance vehicle stability.

Some additional reading material to further educate yourself.

https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/scienc...could-fuel-electric-car-revolution-ncna974556

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[JohnnySavage]

If I were in the market for a new truck (which I'm not, having only bought one NEW vehicle in my life), I'd get an F-150 Lightening. Just because it doesn't look goofy like the other EVs.

I'm a fan of the tech and think it's ideal for fleets that are used locally during the day (UPS, FedEx...)

EVs aren't the answer - nor is any one tech. But they are part of it.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Why don't Republicans let the free market decide?

 

[HisArpy]

Why don't Republicans let the free market decide?

Because it's not just the Republican's who are doing the deciding.

Personally, I'd be all in on a Jetson ONE if I could get one and use it.

 

[PaxNurgle]

BOTH SIDES need to let the free market decide; and hopefully this is, for just this once, something both sides can agree on. Right?

Nobody should be forced to buy EV's if they don't want one.
Nobody should have their government force EV's to be taken OFF the market if they do want one.

 

[Lazaran]

BOTH SIDES need to let the free market decide; and hopefully this is, for just this once, something both sides can agree on. Right?

Nobody should be forced to buy EV's if they don't want one.
Nobody should have their government force EV's to be taken OFF the market if they do want one.

Unfortunately, according to the climate models, Mother Nature isn’t really giving us a choice.

Much like all countries in the world banned HCFC’s to save the ozone layer (which is working by the way), a worldwide transition to “green” energy and vehicles is needed to avert a near term climate catastrophe (if it’s not already too late.)

Can we do it???

Yes we can!!! (I’m an eternal optimist).

For some context regarding the ozone layer.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smar...end-itself-over-antarctica-by-2066-180981421/

Hope that helps.

 

[phrodeau]

It sounds like there will be fewer cars on their roads in the future. Wyomingans will just have to carpool until their clunkers disintegrate.

 

[Chernosoth]

BOTH SIDES need to let the free market decide; and hopefully this is, for just this once, something both sides can agree on. Right?

Nobody should be forced to buy EV's if they don't want one.
Nobody should have their government force EV's to be taken OFF the market if they do want one.

Free markets don't exist in developed nations. When capitalists reach the top of the heap, their priorities automatically shift to limiting or eliminating competition, to stay on top. The free market could be called a religion, cult, bedtime story, scam, etc. To counteract capitalists' attempts to control markets, governments may assert their own control. That sometimes works for a while until capitalists gain control of government.

 

[colddiesel]

Wyoming sometimes has highways closed due to snow in June. I wouldn't have anything less than AWD or 4WD as a resident there. Gas or diesel, definitely not electric.

Cold rather than snow is the EV's problem. Very low temperatures interfere with the efficient electro chemical processes required of an EV's battery. As there is much less waste heat than with an internal combustion engine, heating the car draws power which in turn reduces range by 15 to 30%. More modern EV's are being fitted with heat pumps on the motor and more localised heating in order to reduce the problem, but more will be need to be done in severely cold conditions.

 

[lovecraft68]

The same outraged leftist lunatics who scream about this are the same hypocrites who suddenly turned in their EV's because Musk took over twitter.

The reality in this case is as the OP says Wyoming is a large area that isn't full of huge cities and you have to drive for hours on end and they're not going to build charging stations in no man's land. So I don't see this as anything other than common sense based on circumstances.

Fake morality libtards and common sense have nothing in common.

 

[oggbashan]

In the UK, with cities close together, there aren't enough charging points and at any one time 25% are out of action, and those that are can take many hours to charge your car.

If you can't restrict your travelling to out and back within your EV's range - forget it.

 

[jaF0]

I'm not in favor of mandates or bans in either direction.

I'm also not in favor of the insanity of pricing. If they want people to buy new vehicles, make them affordable. $30K or more is not affordable. I've bought houses for less than that. Bring back the $10K car in a safe and reliable manner and sales will solve the new vehicle problem without mandates or bans.

 

[Bray123]

Wyoming contains less than 2 thousandths (0.17%) of the US population so the car makers won't be terrified! Modern EV's are now regularly getting ranges in excess of 350 up to 500 miles and 90% of charging is done at home. New rare earths supplies have come on stream at a rapid rate in the last 12 months, particularly in Australia, Canada, Brazil, and Sweden. There are more than 400 EV Charging stations so far in Wyoming. There are 322 Gas Stations in the State.(each with multiple pumps)

The main problem with charging from the domestic supply in the USA is the gutless voltage/amps, compared with most first world countries. That means each EV owner probably needs to buy and install a stage 2 charger which will cost between $200 and $600. That is a tiny fraction of the capital required to build a gas station. I live in Queensland (Australia), a state 9 times bigger than Wyoming and about 62 miles to the nearest gas station, over unsealed roads, so understand the issues. We buy in diesel fuel 2000 gallons delivered to our tankage. Our recently bought first EV, is supplied from an existing domestic solar array. For us physical ruggedness of the vehicle will probably be a bigger factor than range.

Looks like silly season stuff from the legislators.

0.17% is way more than 2 thousandths.

 

[phrodeau]

I'm not in favor of mandates or bans in either direction.

I'm also not in favor of the insanity of pricing. If they want people to buy new vehicles, make them affordable. $30K or more is not affordable. I've bought houses for less than that. Bring back the $10K car in a safe and reliable manner and sales will solve the new vehicle problem without mandates or bans.

Sure, bring back the Yugo.

 

[jaF0]

The cars are just too damned high!!!

 

[oggbashan]

I'm not in favor of mandates or bans in either direction.

I'm also not in favor of the insanity of pricing. If they want people to buy new vehicles, make them affordable. $30K or more is not affordable. I've bought houses for less than that. Bring back the $10K car in a safe and reliable manner and sales will solve the new vehicle problem without mandates or bans.

In the UK in the 1950s, car manufacturers' golden dream was to produce a car that would carry four adults and run all day at 50 mph, using 50 miles per Imperial gallon.

They nearly succeeded with the Morris Minor, the Austin A30 and the Standard Eight. The French did with the Citreon 2CV in its original small engined form. But all were small cars unvcomfortable for four people for long distances., and the 2 CV had the accident resistance of a wet cardboard box.

But the Wyoming speed limits are 65 mph on tarmaced roads outside conurbations and 75 mph on Interstates.

It should be posible to produce a car that wouldn't exceed 75 mph and is comfortable and economical. Why do we need family cars that exceed 100mph?

 

[Rightguide]

Wyoming is not ready to sell out the industry that supports their state.

 

[Pad_Foot]

0.17% is way more than 2 thousandths.

Home schooled ?
2/1000 = 0.002 = 0.2%
So 0.17% < 0.20%
Are we going to question math facts now?
Wyoming has a medium sized city population wise!
Washington DC deserves equal representation!!

 

[oggbashan]

Wyoming is not ready to sell out the industry that supports their state.

Ford UK used to boast that they produced the cheapest family sized car in the world- the 1953-1959 Ford Popular. OK, it ws based on 1930s technology and was very basic, but four adults could easily get into it. The runnuing and servicing costs were ery low and it was the cheapest family car available in the UK at the time. But even their current basic car is proportionally far more expensive.

 

[BluesDriver66]

At some point you Luddites are going to have to get with the times. I remember when back in the day when Windows was first introduced and some people swore up and down they would never abandon MS-DOS. "Real men type in their own commands! It's just better!". EV vehicles will become the standard sooner than later and will out perform models based on technology from over a century ago.

Yesterday's outdated tech.

Modern EV truck.