...Writing Topic - Testosterone, Dopamine and Seratonin Levels

[wildsweetone]

The Bridges of Maddison County is a Chick Flick. John Gray (author of the Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus series) says this is because there is no Action to keep a man awake. The only action he recalls feeling alive about was when Clint Eastwood got in his truck and drove to the bridge. He expected the guy to blow the bridge up. When he realised the bridge was staying intact, he drowsed off back to sleep. According to his research, it seems many males felt the same way.

When you write, do you 'plan' to write to include the interest of both male and female readers?

 

[lucky-E-leven]

My first response was no, because all my work is geared toward lesbian sex, but I've had tremendous feedback from men.

(I wonder if it had anything to do with the fast motorcycles and huge tits.)

Kidding. The only time I ever thought about my readership before writing was when I attempted my first BDSM piece. I write mainly to entertain myself, and so far it's worked for others. I'm sure in future, though, I'll be thinking more about audience than I have in the past.

Thanks WSO! Now I've got tons of questions about what each gender might have as a collective 'catch' or 'hook' that would gain and keep their interest.

~lucky

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Well, to be stereotypical...

Men's sexual turn-ons are easy. You just have to be graphic so they can picture what's going on.

Women are more subtle and I think interesting. They want to know what people are feeling and thinking about in a story.

A woman will be interested in 20 pages of twists and turns in a relationship without sex: Jane Austin stuff. Most men won't stand for it.

I write mostly for women. Oce you've been around porn for a while, I think you get more interested in the why's and how's of things than the what's. Besides, the idea of a woman getting aroused by my stuff is more appealing to me than the thought of giving some guy a boner.

 

[NoJo]

I have enough trouble get myself aroused by my stories without worrying about anyone else.

 

[lucky-E-leven]

I have enough trouble get myself aroused by my stories without worrying about anyone else.

Did you remember to put in the sex?

 

[The_Fool]

Did you remember to put in the sex?

That sounds like a very personal question......

 

[NoJo]

I also forget to salt the potatoes too.

 

[rgraham666]

When you write, do you 'plan' to write to include the interest of both male and female readers?

Nope. I just try to tell a good story.

 

[Softouch911]

When you write, do you 'plan' to write to include the interest of both male and female readers?

Not in writing, but I guess in revision I do .... if dr._M's stereotypes are correct (that men like graphic anatomy and women like feeling). I'll look at a story and often ask if there is enough of one or the other, or too much of one or the other.

Not sure how I decide what's "enough" and what's "too much," but the question is there.


Softouch

 

[LadyJeanne]

I don't think about the audience when I write something. It's hard enough to write it in a way that satisfies me, and it's not as much fun if I'm writing to try to please someone else.

Having said that, most of my stories seem to attract both male and female readers, at least based on the feedback, so I guess I balance it well enough, whatever "it" is.

 

[impressive]

I don't think about the audience when I write something. It's hard enough to write it in a way that satisfies me, and it's not as much fun if I'm writing to try to please someone else.

Having said that, most of my stories seem to attract both male and female readers, at least based on the feedback, so I guess I balance it well enough, whatever "it" is.

What she said!

 

[elsol]

I write predominantly for a male readership expecting to catch a certain class of female reader with the same net.

The male readership = me.
The female readership = the kind of woman that I would usually end up in a relationship with.

Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[Guest]

dunno why but i would rather make someone laugh. so, ill go for the
"hey! thats too funny." or "I can't believe what i'm reading" "she didn't just say that...."
i didnt care to write for male or female perspectvie... all i know is my own perspective so, thats what i went for...(using past-tense until i can write again)

 

[dr_mabeuse]

That's kind of funny. If so many people write only for themselves, how come there's so much concern about votes and ratings?

 

[Guest]

That's kind of funny. If so many people write only for themselves, how come there's so much concern about votes and ratings?

its all terribly self centered...egotistical...
WHAT ABOUT ME?!
erm...yeah but i see it from your pov.

 

[elsol]

That's kind of funny. If so many people write only for themselves, how come there's so much concern about votes and ratings?

*burp*

If you write for yourself... then a high score is approval of you.

Even freaks, like to be told that their not freaks.

Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[dr_mabeuse]

I think I always have some hypothetical audience in mind when I write. Maybe it comes from writing stories for my friends in grammar school, but I find thinking about an audience is a great incentive and helps me focus, and I've done some of my favorite stuff when I was writing for just one person.

If I were giving a speech or a talk, I'd design it to reach my audience. I guess stories are the same way for me. I'm always wondering whether people are understanding what I'm trying to say, and to do that, I have to create a hypothetical reader of a certain type and put myself into his/her shoes.

I don't know if that makes me a whore or a professional (or if there's a difference), but that's the way it works for me.

The idea of writing just for myself seems kind of maturbatory, like, "I'm going to beat off, and if you want to watch, that's great," whereas writing for an audience is like sharing it. There's a relationship there with the reader that means a lot to me.

 

[elsol]

The idea of writing just for myself seems kind of maturbatory, like, "I'm going to beat off, and if you want to watch, that's great," whereas writing for an audience is like sharing it. There's a relationship there with the reader that means a lot to me.

I think in part when people say 'they are writing for themselves'... it's more a description of how the act satisfies them on some intrinsic level. Like masturbating with an audience present... at it's core you're satisfying the need to get off and a desire to expose yourself, if the audience likes it even better... and probably A LOT better.

If they were completely, 100%, absolutely, and totally writing 'for themselves'... why post it?

Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[NoJo]

For me, writing a story just for mylelf is like masturbating into a tissue. Submitting it here is more like doing it in a library, standing on a table.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

For me, writing a story just for mylelf is like masturbating into a tissue. Submitting it here is more like doing it in a library, standing on a table.

So that's who it was! I thought it was Balzac wasting time.

 

[Samandiriel]

For myself, (though I have one story posted so far but I have written others) I find that the story is an entity within itself, I am merely the vehicle which brings it to fruition.
The story itself may be geared toward a certain gender but it is genderless in it's own right.
It is an idea made viable by me without the intent of a particular audience, it's just something to be written and hopefully read.

But that's just me.

Sam.

 

[wildsweetone]

So...

Those who write for their audience...

Who is your Ideal Reader?

Do you alter your general writing style to aim for their attention?

 

[Seattle Zack]

Bill Simmons wrote a great column recently on espn.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/050420) about what he terms the "spork flick" ... a movie ostensibly for men (a sports movie) but subtly oriented towards women (a chick flick). His examples included the new Fever Pitch (of course, any self-respecting Sox fan would be appalled at Jimmy Fallon) and other movies like Varsity Blues and Jerry Maguire.

To get back to wso's original premise, of course an author targets a particular gender. And if the other one buys in, so much the better.

 

[Op_Cit]

All right, I'm in the minority I guess...

I'm still not completely convinced that women read porn. I have yet been unable to completely dispell the thought that all these "women" here are not women but in fact fat, balding, middle aged men sitting in their underwear, posing as woman for some perverse....well you know. (Though some of you like Tatelou have me perplexed as to how you manage to get pictures of hot women seemingly posing specifically for this forum...)

Men are pigs, no? And the gentler, fairer sex is that way for a reason, it's an ideology that goes back a long way in me.

Those that are not F.B.MA. men posing as women, must be (defacto) insecure maladjusted former or current geeks... This leave me alone as the one buff, adonis like, hung like a blue whale, unceasingly wise, chick-magnet actually dabbling in this medium. I could go on, but perhaps this will convey the concept that to actually write for that audience gives me the willies. So that means I write for myself.

But, of course, if you want popularity or dollars write for your audience, and target specifics. Those short, f, b, ma, men posing as lesbians love lesbian bondage/dominance stories...

OC

P.S. Are there real lesbians in the world? Tell me 'bout the rabbits, george.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

So...

Those who write for their audience...

Who is your Ideal Reader?

Do you alter your general writing style to aim for their attention?

I guess my ideal reader is just that: a creation of my imagination. When I try to picture her, I'm afraid I get someone pretty close to what Op Cit says: me with tits. That's pretty terrifying. Actually, I guess it's my mind in a woman's body, only she's not as fucking critical as I am. I think of her as a woman, because I'm just generally more interested in exploring what I think of as female concerns--thoughts and emotions and status, things like that--than I am in what seems to me the more male interest in just what was done to whom.

I don't know. Maybe I don't really write for other people's enjoyment as much as I think. I started out writing porn for specific people, and that kind of gave me the impression that I was a writing whore. But if someone were to tell me that they'd like my writing better if I did this or that, my tendency is usually to ignore them.

I've been accused of being too nice to my women in my BDSM stuff. I should make them grovel and suffer more. But you know, I'm not interested in that. Also, if I wanted to be more popular, I'd write some incest, but I find incest anti-erotic and so I never have. So I don't know. Maybe I'm not the suck-up I thought I was.

I guess it's kind of like a sex fantasy. I do have an ideal lover, I suppose, but I don't think I could describe her to you. My ideal reader is someone who really likes what I write, and that's about it. So am I writing for her or for me?