Wrath of god ?

[Colleen Thomas]

What's going on with the hurricanes? Charley, Frances, Ivan is blasting the Gulf, Javier is threatening the Baja Peninsula and now Jeanie is forming, with projections it too will strengthen to hurrican force before it reaches Puerto Rico.

I vaguely remember the aftermath of Camille. I also remember David and Andrew, but I can't remember a hurricane season like this.

-Colly

 

[impressive]

... I can't remember a hurricane season like this.

-Colly

Nor can I -- not since Gloria ruined my honeymoon and Juan (in NOVEMBER, no less) stole my deck. All that was on the Chesapeake Bay, too -- not exactly a tropical paradise.

 

[Guest]

What's going on with the hurricanes? Charley, Frances, Ivan is blasting the Gulf, Javier is threatening the Baja Peninsula and now Jeanie is forming, with projections it too will strengthen to hurrican force before it reaches Puerto Rico.

I vaguely remember the aftermath of Camille. I also remember David and Andrew, but I can't remember a hurricane season like this.

-Colly

Nah, no wrath of God. Merely a 1 degree C rise in the sea temperature.

Goddam pollution has got a lot to answer for.

Lou

 

[AngeloMichael]

1995 was similar to this season. There were 19 storms that made it to tropical storm status and of those, Allison, Erin, Felix, Humberto, Iris, Luis, Marilyn, Noel, Opal, Roxanne, and Tanya became hurricanes. The 1995 hurricane season was the most active year on record after 1933. The months of August and September saw the most intense activity.

2004 is probably going to be up there with 95 and 33.

 

[AngeloMichael]

Re: Re: Wrath of god ?

Nah, no wrath of God. Merely a 1 degree C rise in the sea temperature.

Goddam pollution has got a lot to answer for.

Lou

True, high sea surface temperatures in the Atlantic between West Africa and the Caribbean Sea increase the likelihood of hurricane growth.

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

A now a word from the Branch Floridians World Domination Relocation Center

And finally, weather you like it or not…



Despite numerous Biblical injunctions against divining the future and studying the skies (Deut. 18:10, etc.) meteorology isn’t condemned by any of today’s phundamentalists (spelled this way ‘cause I see no “fun” in them.) This is hypocrisy, for predicting the course of nature seems to me to be a textbook definition of studying the skies and/or the future. After all, nature is God’s domain, right? Although many claim abortionists should be put to death for the lesser charge of murder, they have yet to invoke the correct penalty for this expressly forbidden scientific sorcery.

DynaCharcoal, the head of our Missouri Chapter (and Keeper of the Sacred Gray and White Naughty Bits) pays her rent by announcing the weather for a local tv station. Recently, she confided in me what I have suspected all along: “if we don’t know, we just blame El Niño.”

This tells me tons, and backs up my theory that this El Niño Phenomenon is bogus. After all, satellites have been studying the weather for decades, but they just “recently” discovered this? Next they’ll be saying that a butterfly beating its wings in Japan will cause a typhoon in Vancouver.

Of course, it’s just a small jump from creating weather excuses to actually creating the weather itself, which brings us to the real point here. Scientists and shamans alike have long been able to manipulate weather, everything from seeding clouds to rain dances. And if one objectively studies these “natural” disasters, a pattern quickly emerges. For instance, ever notice that tornadoes never strike at important places like MIT, Beverly Hills, or army bases? Nope, they always manage to wipe out some low-rent white trash trailer park.

Sounds suspicious to me, Toto! I think you’ll find the government is behind it, using artificial weather control to get rid of welfare cases and such.

Y’know, THEY want us to think that weather is the cause behind the crop circle phenomenon. Maybe there is a straight-faced joke in that—best place to hide the truth is often out in the open, mislabeled.

Anyway, I’m outa here; so until I get back, take care & I’ll talk to everyone soon!

remember:

trust no one
deny everything
& always keep your lighter handy!

I have GOT to putt the SafeSearch Filter back on my Google.

 

[amicus]

Sorry Tatelou, (whose name is found no where else on the net) but no global warning, no 1c raise in temperature in the Atlantic.(records have not been kept long enough to even prove that)

Colly: What it is, is a cyclical event, going back through a couple hundred years of observation of a 30 year cycle (completely natural) that brings more storms of greater intensity. This one started in about 1995 and still has 20 years to run.

And yes, there will eventually be another ice age, most likely, all by itself without the help of the so called, 'green house gases' of mankind.

But then, you will 'believe' what ever you wish, I am sure. Don't let the facts get in the way.

amicus the ongoing aphorism....

 

[Guest]

Sorry Tatelou, (whose name is found no where else on the net) but no global warning, no 1c raise in temperature in the Atlantic.(records have not been kept long enough to even prove that)

Colly: What it is, is a cyclical event, going back through a couple hundred years of observation of a 30 year cycle (completely natural) that brings more storms of greater intensity. This one started in about 1995 and still has 20 years to run.

And yes, there will eventually be another ice age, most likely, all by itself without the help of the so called, 'green house gases' of mankind.

But then, you will 'believe' what ever you wish, I am sure. Don't let the facts get in the way.

amicus the ongoing aphorism....

Hey, don't take it up with me Amicus (whose name is an oxymoron), take it up with the Met Office here in the UK.

Bill Giles said it, so I believe him.

Na!

Lou

 

[amicus]

Amicus the resident oxymoron, lifts his kilts and curtseys and then does a shuffle off to buffalo as an exit.

 

[Guest]

Amicus the resident oxymoron, lifts his kilts and curtseys and then does a shuffle off to buffalo as an exit.

At least you aren't a true Scot, TFFT!

 

[Guest]

You forgot your tap shoes, Oxy.

 

[AngeloMichael]

Sorry Tatelou, (whose name is found no where else on the net) but no global warning, no 1c raise in temperature in the Atlantic.(records have not been kept long enough to even prove that)

Colly: What it is, is a cyclical event, going back through a couple hundred years of observation of a 30 year cycle (completely natural) that brings more storms of greater intensity. This one started in about 1995 and still has 20 years to run.

And yes, there will eventually be another ice age, most likely, all by itself without the help of the so called, 'green house gases' of mankind.

But then, you will 'believe' what ever you wish, I am sure. Don't let the facts get in the way.

amicus the ongoing aphorism....

Here are some facts.

Modern methods of measuring and recording temperatures began around 1860. Most analyses of the data show that since that time, a statistically significant increase in temperature has occurred. This trend has accounted for a roughly 1 degree Fahrenheit increase in global temperature, about half what would be predicted on the basis of the concentration of greenhouse gases. A closer look at the data reveals that temperatures were relatively stable between 1860 and 1920, when an upward trend developed which lasted until the late 1940's. A downward trend prevailed until the mid 1970's, when a warming trend continued into the early 1990's.

My source: http://www.healthgoods.com/Educatio...tion/Climate_Change/global_climate_change.htm

Whether or not this global warming is caused by pollution or not is still debateable. But you are also right it wasn't a 1 C raise in temperature, it was 1 F degree raise.

 

[McKenna]

...I vaguely remember the aftermath of Camille. I also remember David and Andrew, but I can't remember a hurricane season like this.

I spent a few months on the Gulf Coast of Mississippi; the "normal" rainstorms were bad enough to scare the bejezus out of me. However during my time there, we had one small hurricane hit. Daniel? It was so small, I forget the name even. It was windy and rainy and generally nasty, but not as bad as the "normal" storms that flooded my parking lot or rattled the windows/doors/entire apartment complex of where I was living. I was ever-so-glad to leave the area -storms, humidity and all. I'm just glad I wasn't there for Camille. Oy.

 

[amicus]

I weathered Georges, a hurricane that came ashore near Biloxi, Mississippi a few years back..and hope never to see another one that close up...I was living in a small RV at the time and lost a sailboat that I was working on in a boatyard....

AngeloMichael, thanks for the research, I was thinking more of ocean temperature measurements, currents and all that and that is a much younger science that global air temperatures...

amicus

 

[Guest]

Some more basic facts about how hurricanes actually come about?

What is a hurricane?
A hurricane is a large rotating storm centred around an area of very low pressure with strong winds blowing at an average speed in excess of 74 miles per hour. The whole storm system may be up to 10 miles high and on average 500 miles wide. It moves forward like an immense spinning top, at speeds up to 20mph.

How do hurricanes form?
There are various trigger mechanisms required to transform frequent storms into rarer hurricanes. These trigger mechanisms depend on several conditions being ‘right’ at the same time. The most influential factors are:

a source of very warm, moist air - derived from tropical oceans with surface temperatures greater than 26C,
sufficient spin or twist from the rotating earth - this is related to latitude

As the warm sea heats the air above it, a current of very warm moist air rises up quickly, creating a centre of low pressure at the surface. Trade winds rush in towards this low pressure and the inward spiralling winds whirl upwards releasing heat and moisture before descending.

The rotation of the Earth causes the rising column to twist, gradually taking on the form of a cylinder whirling around an eye of relatively still air, free from clouds. The rising air cools and produces towering cumulus and cumulonimbus clouds.

Further aloft at 6 miles the cloud tops are carried outwards to give thick layer clouds due to the outward spiralling winds leaving the hurricane core.

How does the hurricane obtain its energy?
Great amounts of energy are transferred when warm water is evaporated from tropical seas. This energy is stored within the water vapour contained in moist air. As this air ascends, 90% of the stored energy is released by condensation, giving rise to the towering cumulus clouds and rain.

The release of heat energy warms the air locally causing a further decrease in pressure aloft. Consequently, air rises faster to fill this area of low pressure, and more warm moist air is drawn off the sea feeding further energy to the system. Thus a self-sustaining heat engine is created.


Only as little as 3% of the heat energy may be converted mechanical energy of the circulating winds. This relatively small amount of mechanical energy equates to a power supply of 360 billion kilowatt hours per day - or 6 months supply of electrical energy for the whole of the USA!

Hurricanes: where and when do they occur?
Hurricanes form between 5 and 30 latitude and initially move westward (owing to easterly winds) and slightly towards the poles. Many hurricanes eventually drift far enough north or south to move into areas dominated by westerly winds (found in the middle latitudes). These winds tend to reverse the direction of the hurricane to an eastward path.

As the hurricane moves poleward it picks up speed and may reach between 20 and 30mph. An average hurricane can travel about 300 to 400 miles a day, or about 3000 miles before it dies out. Hurricanes occur between July and October in the Atlantic, eastern Pacific and the western Pacific north of the equator. South of the equator, off Australia and in the Indian Ocean, they occur between November and March.

The name hurricane should only be used for those tropical storms occurring in the Atlantic. In the Pacific they are known as typhoons, in the Indian Ocean as cyclones. They are given names beginning with 'A', 'B' etc., In order of occurrence and the names are alternately male and female.

Accompanying phenomena
The most common phenomena associated with hurricanes are strong winds. Other phenomena include:

Hurricane waves - large waves up to 15 metres high are caused by the strong winds and bring about extensive flooding.
Swells - an increase in ocean level.
Rain - the hurricane picks up about 2 billion tons of moisture per day and releases it as rain.

From:bbc.co.uk

Ok, so it doesn't say anything there about a rise in sea temperatures this year, but it is only logical to presume that the sea temperatures have risen. The cause of that, as Angelo said, is of course debateable.

Oh, and trust me to get my F's and C's wrong.

Lou

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

Amicus the resident oxymoron, lifts his kilts and curtseys and then does a shuffle off to buffalo as an exit.

Oxymoronic or not, you should never have lifted your kilt, amicus.

Now we know you’re no ongoing aphorism, only an off-putting hermaphrodite.

That you’re naturally endowed to conceive both sides of any given question erroneously.

 

[R. Richard]

DynaCharcoal, the head of our Missouri Chapter (and Keeper of the Sacred Gray and White Naughty Bits) pays her rent by announcing the weather for a local tv station. Recently, she confided in me what I have suspected all along: “if we don’t know, we just blame El Niño.”

This tells me tons, and backs up my theory that this El Niño Phenomenon is bogus. After all, satellites have been studying the weather for decades, but they just “recently” discovered this? Next they’ll be saying that a butterfly beating its wings in Japan will cause a typhoon in Vancouver.

Actually, VB, the El Niño phenomena was discovered in the late 1500s by Peruvian fishermen. The El Niño caused marked changes in the fishing and weather in and around the coast of Peru. The name El Niño was given to the weather pattern because it frequently came during December and the name was in honor of the birth of the Christ child.

Bacause the Peruvian fishermen were mainly illiterates who could not possibly know anything of value, El Niño was pretty much ignored until the 1960s when the PhDs began to discover it was one of the main things affecting world wide weather.

There is another weather condition springing from the same eastern Pacific area and the other weather condition is called La Niña and is a sort of reverse El Niño. The stupidity involved here is not a matter of weather sattelites, it is some five centuries old.

 

[OhMissScarlett]

During the flood of the Midwest United States in 1993, my grandma claimed that all the destruction was due to God being pissed off about the gambling boats. I don't know how she knew this, but the gambling boats are still here, so I guess it wasn't very effective.


Stories and Poems

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

Actually, VB, the El Niño phenomena was discovered in the late 1500s by . . . .

SIGH!

There's always one who requires a diagram.

 

[Edward Teach]

Ask Pat Robertson

Of course it's the wrath of God. Virginia Beach ain't had a lick of damage nor have any of Pat's diamond mines.

Ed

PS - Maybe Falwell was right - them damn gays again.

 

[amicus]

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Amicus the resident oxymoron, lifts his kilts and curtseys and then does a shuffle off to buffalo as an exit.
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Oxymoronic or not, you should never have lifted your kilt, amicus.

Now we know you’re no ongoing aphorism, only an off-putting hermaphrodite.

That you’re naturally endowed to conceive both sides of any given question erroneously.


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Burley ~

Dear BurleyQ So nice to have admirers lined up around the block, didnt yo mama tell you that if you had nothing good to say....? Although that was kind of a cute play on words...

 

[dr_mabeuse]

I don't know about man's impact on the environment, but I do know that something like seven of the 10 coolest summers in Chicago history have happened in the last ten years. That's a statistic that gives me pause.

---dr.M.

 

[minsue]

I don't know about man's impact on the environment, but I do know that something like seven of the 10 coolest summers in Chicago history have happened in the last ten years. That's a statistic that gives me pause.

---dr.M.

And the inverse is true for Phoenix. Trade ya.

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

... didnt yo mama tell you that if you had nothing good to say....

Da told me that if I've got nothing good to say .... SAY IT OFTEN!