Would this be OK?

[mariner4]

Hi
I'm new here and am working on a submission.

The premise is a young Englishman (a virgin) set down in a remote part of Africa about 40 years ago. It is all very foreign to him. Soon after he gets there he sees some teenage girls bathing in the river. He is overwhelmed by how different they are from teenage girls back in England. There is an innocence coupled with a very obvious sexuality. He cannot keep the girls out of his mind but he also has priciples - he knows he can't have sex with them. He is in turmoil.

The situation resolves itself when he has a relationship with an older woman.

There is no sex with the girls although there is an element of voyeurism but there is guilt attached to this.

Would this be acceptable? It actually is quite an important part of creating a charged atmosphere in the story.

Would appreciate any help

 

[drksideofthemoon]

My guess it would have to do with how much detail you plan on going into regarding the teenagers. Lit is very skittish about any underage characters.

Personally I would describe the females as young women, rather than teenagers...that might save you some grief later on.

But this is only my personal opinion...

 

[bourbonslut]

although not clear on the Lit rules....if they are clothed? accompanied by others?

can they be young women in the company of equally aged men? or explicitly older teenagers? (of legal age but young?)

 

[Pure]

there cannot be explicit sexual descriptions/acts involving young people, that is, under 18. sometimes vagueness will 'save' you if the underage thing is not right 'out there' (i.e. lack of breasts). 'late teens' or 'late adolescents' might work, or 'young maidens.'

 

[mariner4]

Thanks

Very helpful - I guess I can make them indeterminate age young girls. The protagonist has been told their age but they are physically much better developed than he would expect young girls to be.

I can work it out.

Thanks again

 

[Pure]

young women, yes, not 'young girls' (to me that sounds like 5 years old)

this thread actually belongs in authors or general forum, so i plan to move it soon.

but thanks for dropping by!
If you want to discuss others' stories, stick around.

 

[Penelope Street]

Hi Mariner,

The rules are layed out here:
http://www.literotica.com/faq/05235347.shtml
and the age limit rule is:

Basically, our biggest requirement is that we do not accept any story in which characters under the age of 18 are involved in sexual situations.

Exactly what this means has been discussed in numerous threads. Too many of these threads start, or soon turn into, childish (go figure!) whining about the rule, but some older ones may prove useful since Laurel responded.

From December 2001:
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=58591
In Laurel's post, #13, she indicates she wouldn't be comfortable posting stories involving young children.

From January 2001:
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=22041
In Laurel's post, #8, she clarifies a bit about mentioning underage activity in a character's past. She then elaborates on why the underage rule is a hard line.

Additional clarification may be found in this thread:
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=175666
where it says:

This (The minimum age rule) is non-negotiable and has more to do with persons like John Ashcroft than an unrealistic view that teenagers don't have sex. A character can refer sex at an early age (eg I lost my cherry at 14), but cannot describe it.

If your story comes across as pedophilia, it will probably be rejected.

Make sure that your characters are over 18 or at least a senior in high school to fix the problem.

Given all of that there are still some grey areas and this situation could well be one:

The premise is a young Englishman (a virgin) set down in a remote part of Africa about 40 years ago. It is all very foreign to him. Soon after he gets there he sees some teenage girls bathing in the river. He is overwhelmed by how different they are from teenage girls back in England. There is an innocence coupled with a very obvious sexuality. He cannot keep the girls out of his mind but he also has priciples - he knows he can't have sex with them. He is in turmoil.

The situation resolves itself when he has a relationship with an older woman.

There is no sex with the girls although there is an element of voyeurism but there is guilt attached to this.

Voyeurism is a sexual situation in Literotica terms, so the crux then becomes whether the bathing teenagers are women or girls. Calling them 'young girls' is a mistake if you want to be within the rules.

Assuming the age of the bathers will not be specified, the presence or absence of pubic hair would be a major factor in my conclusion regarding whether they are women or girls. Also, if the voyeur focuses on their pubic patch as a major part of the attraction, then I think that's another point in favor of approval because it shows he's attracted to their maturity.

Other ingredients that jump out at me are his guilt and that he feels he can't have sex with them. If he feels guilty for being attracted to them because of their youth and knows he can't have sex with them for the same reason, then I think the story should to be rejected. If he just feels guilty for spying on them and it's inappropriate for him to have sex with them for reasons other than their age, that's much different.

Also, you mentioned something about the girls being better developed than he expects for their age. I can see no reason girls would, on average, become women at a younger age in Africa than in England during the mid-1960s. I'd expect the opposite. Although there are many factors, menarche usually occurs at about 90 pounds or 40 kg. Naturally, a young lady will reach this weight sooner when she has better nutrition and isn't subjected to hard labor, which is why the average age has dropped from about 16-17 to about 12-13 in the past two hundred years.

That was a bit long-winded of me, wasn't it? I guess the point in all that is that any perception that the character is aroused by the sight of a child is a violation of the rules as I read them. Make it clear she's not a child and I think you're ok.

Hope some of that helps. Good luck with your story.

Take Care,
Penny

 

[mariner4]

Thanks again

Penelope - thanks for your hopeful contribution.

Some points - published menarche data are based on averages of population groups. While agreeing that menarche is generally related to nutrition there are other factors. The following article makes interesting points that African-Americans mature earlier than their Caucasian counterparts and also says thatpresumably in Africa, if nutrition was adequate, the same would pertain.

http://www.neoteny.org/a/progenesispuberty.html

We are flooded with images of starvation in Africa but during the early part of the twentieth century there were many areas where nutrition was adequate. Rainfall was reliable, politics was stable and abundant arable land was available.

Here is another link. In 2005 the king of Swaziland took a 16 year old virgin as his queen out of a parade of bare breasted virgins.
http://www.dosima.org/home.pages/anand.madhvani/south.africa/swaziland/reeddance2/


The teenagers my protagonist would have been aware of in England would have been obsessed with looking thin (era of Twiggy remember). All of a sudden he is confronted with teen-agers who do not aspire to being skinny.
He is seeing girl-women whose burgeoning sexuality is part of their lives but also something that marks them out as desirable wives.

Thanks again. I am going to tweak things so it is apparent that I am not talking about little girls but rather girls who in a short time will be married and bearing children.

 

[Penelope Street]

... published menarche data are based on averages of population groups.

Did I mention something about averages, expectations, and other factors? I understand a bit about individuals defying averages and expectations too; my younger sister, how shall we say, blossomed before I did. Or as my mother chose to put it, "Your sister's becoming a woman." Well- Duh! Like I couldn't tell sharing a room with her. Of course, a few months later I got a good lesson in 'be careful what you wish for.' I'm not sure I ever asked God for anything again!

What I had in mind regarding menstruation was that if the girls matured later then the story is even more likely to be within this site's rules about a character's age. Perhaps I do have the wrong idea regarding nourishment in the average African girl's diet of forty years ago, but it really doesn't matter since it sounds like the vision you have of the young lady is not the slender one I pictured. If I gather correctly that you intend to include as part your story that young ladies can be other than skinny and still worthy of an admiring, even lust-filled, look from a young man, then, well, you could be my hero for a day.

Anyway, I didn't intend to steer your thread away from the original topic. I'd say you've the right idea including how the young lady who catches his eye appears mature and will be betrothed soon, if not already. This makes it clear she's of age in her society and lends a reason that he can't approach her. However, I think to call her a girl instead of a woman or young lady is to risk giving the wrong impression and thus court rejection.

 

[mariner4]

right on

Thanks Penny
Point about not using "girls" is well taken. Too many interpetations.

Now all I've got to do is get on with it!