Would Hay-soos bake a cake for a gay couple?

[jaF0]

After the U.S. Supreme Court agreed to hear his case, Colorado baker Jack Phillips appeared Thursday on ABC’s The View to explain why he refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple. He told hosts that the bible said marriage was only between a man and a woman. When asked if Jesus would’ve done the same, he said yes.

“I don’t believe that Jesus would’ve made a cake if he had been a baker,” Phillips.

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Any stories about the Kenny Loggins look alike banging broads? He was always hangin' out with guys, right?

 

[TheWhiteBull]

Well personally I don't think he would have either.

He definitely affirmed marriage as between a man and a woman, as well as disapproving of divorce. He was raised in an extremely homophobic culture. True, he wasn't about passing contemporary judgement but he also didn't help people in committing what he saw as sin.

Understanding that it might be more difficult for lgbt people in small towns, rural areas, or red states to find service, I still don't see how forcing him or other small businesses to bake these cakes is going to solve anything.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

The gay people want a cake whaaaa!

Everybody wants cake.

 

[Liar]

The whole question is lopsided.

You don't sell a product to a couple. You sell it to a person, the one who pays. The sexual preference of that person or what he plans to do with said product is none of your business. You're not partaking in a wedding, you're selling a person a product.

You should however have the right, as a baker, to clearly advertise: "I do not sell wedding style cakes with two male marzipan figureines on top."

Then the gay customer can say "That's shitty customer service but fine, I'll have your regular design" and replace the marzipan figures himself.

Case closed.

 

[Saint Peter]

you wanna be the man?

or you wanna be the wife??

 

[Liar]

you wanna be the man?

or you wanna be the wife??

I wanna be the cake.

 

[Liar]

its never about the cake....PUTZ

But it should be. That's why the whole thing is so stupid.

 

[Saint Peter]

I wanna be the cake.

"This is not a wedding cake, this is a baseball cake."



you wanna be the pitcher?

or wanna be the catcher??

 

[Saint Peter]

batter

up

 

[hsnh]

The whole question is lopsided.

You don't sell a product to a couple. You sell it to a person, the one who pays. The sexual preference of that person or what he plans to do with said product is none of your business. You're not partaking in a wedding, you're selling a person a product.

You should however have the right, as a baker, to clearly advertise: "I do not sell wedding style cakes with two male marzipan figureines on top."

Then the gay customer can say "That's shitty customer service but fine, I'll have your regular design" and replace the marzipan figures himself.

Case closed.

Both muslims and very religious Christians refuse this sort of service.

I would think it would be ok as long as there are other bakers in that area, who are willing to do it.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Better question...


Would Muslims the world over be outraged that you suggest that it would be wrong for MOO-HAM-ED to refuse to marry gay people?

They take this blasphemy thing pretty fucking seriously.

Is that why you only take on Christians?

 

[hsnh]

There was a case when some muslim stewardesses said that their religion doesn't allow them to serve alcohol.
The airlines made accomodations but it became problematic when those particular stewardesses
didn't show the same flexibility when certain flights become overstretched. (As in only one or no stewardess who was willing to serve alcohol on one flight.)

I'd rather judge this case from the vantage point of supply and demand.
Because the other arguments "were they homophobes or discriminatory or not" vs. "freedom to exercise one's religious beliefs" are much less black and white.

 

[Liar]

Both muslims and very religious Christians refuse this sort of service.

Yes. So?

I would think it would be ok as long as there are other bakers in that area, who are willing to do it.

So you think it should be ok for a business to refuse to sell their product to a gay person. That's what you just said. Because that's all this is, when you strip away the fluff and nonsens.

 

[hsnh]

Better question...


Would Muslims the world over be outraged that you suggest that it would be wrong for MOO-HAM-ED to refuse to marry gay people?

They take this blasphemy thing pretty fucking seriously.

Is that why you only take on Christians?

Yes, I remember a similar case in which people got outraged with a Christian baker and accused him of being a hater. And all sorts of things about Christians.

Then someone did an underground investigation (pretended to be gay asking for a wedding cake and filmed them in secret), and it was revealed that muslim bakers in that area behaved in the same manner.

All these discussions would be more constructive if we start from the premise that both muslims and christians refuse to bake cakes for gay weddings.


Otherwise we get into the same old same old.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The Liberal Left and Fundamentalistic Islam are allies in the war on Western culture.


They want to deconstruct Christianity as the underpinning of "morality."


As I was just discussing in the McDonald's thread their "empathy" drives them to the goodness they feel when they improve alternative communities and ignore the detriment caused to other communities. It feels so good to force Christians to "eat cake." It feels even better to have a Gay Wedding cake baked by a Christian, another victory in the deconstruction of the culture.



Islam gets a pass, because where Liberals live, they are a peaceful minority that causes no harm. They do not see in Islam what they see in Christianity's past, so they hold them to a much lower standard of behavior. As long as the Muslims stay out of their space and keep their proclivities private, they are left alone to be misogynist homophobes who dislike Christians too.

 

[hsnh]

Yes. So?

So you think it should be ok for a business to refuse to sell their product to a gay person. That's what you just said. Because that's all this is, when you strip away the fluff and nonsens.

Don't be paranoid and combative. I'm not a homophobe, nor am I trying to defend homophobes.
I'm just expressing my opinion with the full knowledge that I might well be wrong.


Of course there are some bakers who refuze it out of homophobia. I bet they refuze other services to gay couples too, so they are easy to recognize.
But as far as a wedding cake is concerned:

I wonder if some do it simply because they were told in Church/Mosque that the Bible/Kuran only recognize marriages between men and women. And if they would bake the cake aka go against what their parishoner preached, there would be negative consequences for them in the religious community.
-- I wouldn't demonise those bakers if they explained politely their conundrum and tried to help the customers by directing them to a nearby baker who was more flexible. As long as they weren't the only bakers in the area.


I think that, for those who are upset about these occurrences,
the real battle should occur at the level of Church and Mosques: update the Scriptures to the 21st century, and not just punish those who simply do what they were taught.

 

[Saint Peter]

Liberals!



What a tired ass broken record you are.

 

[Saint Peter]

...both of you are

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The bakers never refused service to gay people.

The couple in question had purchased baked goods on many occasions.

The bakers simply declined to specifically bake a cake for their wedding because of their religious beliefs.

The simple remedy was to go somewhere else and get a cake and purchase all your baked goods there in the future as well as communicating to the community at large that they should also consider not doing business with the bakers. Instead, they chose the path that would cause the most direct, visible harm to the bakers as a form of not just retaliation, but as a form of intimidation (soft terrorism) against the next Christian(s) targeted for services in order to hopefully force them to subordinate their relationship with their creator to the will of the "gay community." They, and by they, I mean not only the gay couple, but also the national movement to normalize all sorts of behaviors while subordinating religion to those behaviors, decided that they would destroy the lives of anybody who dared get in the way of their agenda.

 

[hsnh]

Liberals!



What a tired ass broken record you are.

I'm dying to hear your arguments.
Otherwise, I might confuse you with a troll.
As opposed to someone who's interested in a debate.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

So much for love, tolerance, diversity and "inclusion," which has come to be a dog whistle for Christians must be hated, rejected, forced to conform and excluded from society.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I'm dying to hear your arguments.
Otherwise, I might confuse you with a troll.
As opposed to someone who's interested in a debate.

That's why I have him on ignore.


He just likes to shout out bumper-sticker slogans and rail against conservatives...

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I'm sure that The Prophet and Allah would be quite fine with it.


Oh wait!!!


Well, if the bride were a girl half the age of the Lit minimum age reference, well, the prophet could get behind that. So to speak


But there is a packed fudge joke lurking right under the surface . . . two of them . . . .


http://68.media.tumblr.com/52e32ce264c9333217e8a5add51b325b/tumblr_n8yuhiOMtu1r9x3w6o1_1280.jpg

 

[Wat_Tyler]

http://i.imgur.com/Ff847R2.png

 

[Saint Peter]

I'm dying to hear your arguments.
Otherwise, I might confuse you with a troll.
As opposed to someone who's interested in a debate.

Your definition of me changes nothing.

The line isfuzzy to me. If the carpenter does not want to put a deck on my house he can choose not to. If he chooses not to because I am gay, I have cats, my house is a big piece of shit, or he is allergic to my garden I am good with the decision. What if the grocery store refuses to sell food to me because I am gay or my house is ass? Should I expect to go without food and service in a community that hates my guts?

The first case seems reasonable and the second case is not. The line is fuzzy.

The cake issue is more than getting a cake. It would be easy enough to ask for a cake without plastic people on top, order your own plastic people in whatever configuration you desire, slap those badboys on and be finished. That is what I would do in their shoes, but I am not in their shoes. I support their fight, I support small business, and I do not have a clear cut, uniformly fair answer to this question.