Would Christ kill: Invertiably YES!

[Todd]

Christ was by Christian Dogma God.

Check out:

The Flood
Sodom and Gommorah
Aqullia and Priscilla
Pharoahs Soldiers {Red see Moses chase}
Egyptians First Born {Pass Over Commencement}

And many more found in a Bible near you.

Yup Christ would kill and has.

 

[Azwed]

Yeah and that is old testemant god. Different from new testament god.

 

[Marxist]

Todd, you're so wrong I can't bother to make the argument. Here's a clue, Christ was sent on a specific mission. What was that mission? Think Todd think. When you remember (or read for the first time) you'll know that Jesus wasn't meant to be a killer and couldn't do it and most importantly was God's ultimate expression of love (in Christianity's view).

You're letting a non-Christian point this out to you? Get back to Bible study post-haste.

 

[Thumper]

Old Testament

About as credible as Zeus and his cronies. Primitive mankind trying to explain the complexities of his physical world in the context of his woefully inadequate understanding.

Stick with his New Testament teachings for guidance.

 

[PHANTOM5875]

How about an archangle assault team for Tora Bora?.........

Christ was by Christian Dogma God.

Check out:

The Flood
Sodom and Gommorah
Aqullia and Priscilla
Pharoahs Soldiers {Red see Moses chase}
Egyptians First Born {Pass Over Commencement}

And many more found in a Bible near you.

Yup Christ would kill and has.

Hmmmm....I thought that was his daddy? BUT, along those lines, I wonder if he could order down a squad of kick ass archangels to go find Osama Bin Fuckhead and his Al Quaida flunkies and save us some ordinance?

Just a thought..........

Phantom

 

[Todd]

Re: How about an archangle assault team for Tora Bora?.........

Aquilla and Priscilla New Testament.

Trinity god in Three person one Essence: Father, Son, Holy Ghost.

Yes Jesus had a specific purpose but as God he particpated in everything that God did because he was God.

As For further Killings of Jesus, Look at all the killings he is going to do future tense in Revelation.

Yes Jesus, did, would and will kill.

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

Yeah and that is old testemant god. Different from new testament god.

Ummm, not a different God, different times, and different understandings - same God. "New Testament God" did not replace "Old Testament God" at some place in time - they are one and the same God.

I know you know that, but if you are going to make such statements then you are going to have to expect someone to point out just how wrong the statement is - especially when it infers some kind of theological change happened in this regard 2000 years ago.

If you believe in God, the change wasn't that we suddenly got a new God, or that God changed - the change was that we had a new understanding of God.

I don't agree with how Todd is going about pointing this out, but yes, God does kill people every day, and the fact that God does kill humans is not evil, anymore than the fact that a person who kills in self-defense is evil. Murder is evil, but murder is unjustified killing - as such it is a subset of killing, the other subset being the justified taking of a human life (as in self defense).

 

[Marxist]

Todd, I can't change your mind because you are simply too dogmatic and hard headed. Do yourself a favor and ask someone who's been to seminary, like your pastor or deacon and report back.

You do go to church, right?

But if you'd like an explanation I'll try. The Godhead is divided into three parts. You've got that down. Jesus' role is that of mercy and love. He has no part of vengeance or killing in any way.

Ask yourself these important questions Todd:

If Jesus could or would kill, why did he let himself get strung up on the cross?

If Jesus could or would kill, why didn't he convert his flock with the penalty being immediate painful death (a pretty easy to understand concept in Roman society), instead of eternal damnation (not easily grasped until much later)?

If Jesus could or would kill, why did he hang out with the devil and let him tempt the Lord?

If Jesus could or would kill, why did he cry to heaven and scream to God, the father, on the cross?

It's pretty simple theology Todd. The divide between spirit, father, and son is real in your religion. One hand has no idea about the other. You can't go out and proclaim you want to shoot someone one day and say you're a follower of Christ the next. And even accepting your poor argument, you're not Christ or God, but a follower and not capable of all that divine killer wackiness.

I don't buy into any of the Christian mythology frankly. It's a bad retelling of a Jewish Dionysus cult, strained and frapped over the centuries into a distasteful and contradictory smoothie.

But if you're OK with Killer Christ, who am I to bother you?

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

You do go to church, right?

That has little to do with anything; there are ahell of a lot of people who go to church who do not have much more than a superficial understanding of their religion.

If Jesus could or would kill, why did he let himself get strung up on the cross?

The basic principal according to Christian theology was that Christ's death was a sacrifice offering in payment for our sins. Whether Christ could or would kill is immaterial, Christs mission at that time was to die on that cross as a sacrifice.

It's pretty simple theology Todd. The divide between spirit, father, and son is real in your religion. One hand has no idea about the other.

Actually the last sentence is not true; there is some debate as to whether Christ was separated partially from the Trinity while human, but before his human birth and after his crucifixion all theologians agree that Christ knows all that the Father knows.

You can't go out and proclaim you want to shoot someone one day and say you're a follower of Christ the next.

He sure can - as I said in my previous post, there is a difference between killing and murder, the latter being a subset of the former.

 

[Marxist]

I've just been told by my rabbi that Christ would not only kill, but fuck the corpses. I have to go with his word.


Strike all that shit above.


Thanks.

 

[JazzManJim]

For those of yo who happen to believe in the "peace and love" Jesus, there are a few moneylenders from a Jewish temple who would like to speak with you.

After they get their lash wounds healed, that is.

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

What the fuck is "Invertiably"??

 

[JazzManJim]

Strike all that shit above.


Thanks.

Dude, that post was absolutely vile.

 

[Marxist]

Dude, that post was absolutely vile.

Thanks again. I aim to quease.

 

[JazzManJim]

Thanks again. I aim to quease.

Sure. Anytime. I, a Christian who takes great pains not to wear his lifelong faith on his sleeve, actually got pissed at that.

Nice job.

 

[Marxist]

Sure. Anytime. I, a Christian who takes great pains not to wear his lifelong faith on his sleeve, actually got pissed at that.

Nice job.

Get mad. I'll still like you. But remember where you are and the same applies to you as Todd. What Would Jesus Do? Would he be here? And don't give me that Jesus among the po' folks stuff. That wasn't for his enjoyment, but this most certainly is for yours. Should a Christian feel guilty? Don't know, I'm not one, but this doesn't seem like a Christian project to me.

I try to use logic but sometimes a Zen whip works much better.


Edited for spelling not argument.

 

[JazzManJim]

Get mad. I'll still like you. But remember where you are and the same applies to you as Todd. What Would Jesus Do? Would he be here? And don't give me that Jesus among the po' folks stuff. That wasn't for his enjoyment, but this most certainly is for yours. Should a Christian feel guilty. Don't know, I'm not one, but this doesn't seem like a Christian project to me.

I triy to use logic but sometimes a Zen whip works much better.

See, the thing is that I don't wear my faith on my sleeve. What I do within my religious beliefs is pretty much my own business, just what what you do with whatever you believe is yours. I don't club you with mine and I don't ridicule you. That's my rule.

And about enjoyment and being here, I don't have any moral problems with it. I can give you my rationale, but I'm not entirely sure you'd buy it, which is, again, fine with me. You don't have to buy it. That's between me and God.

Unfortunately, I don't dig Todd as a spokesman for Christianity. He's not very eloquent in his defense, and his facts are pretty much screwed up. If you want to talk Jesus and violence, that's cool. I can go there pretty well. I spent lots of time doing the research in my youth and I haven't lost but perhaps a step in the intervening years. I just look to bow out of things when the conversations gets stone-walled by stuff like what you said. It's tantamout to dropping the "Yo Mama" bomb in an argument between kids. It's a nuke, and I'd just rather not play.

 

[Laurel]

Killing justified by God - like the WTC attacks?

Killing justified by God - like abortion bombings and doctor murders?

Killing justified by God - like attacks on homosexuals, as advocated by Fred Phelps and others?

 

[Marxist]

Killing justified by God - like the WTC attacks?

Killing justified by God - like abortion bombings and doctor murders?

Killing justified by God - like attacks on homosexuals, as advocated by Fred Phelps and others?

shit stirrer

 

[Laurel]

No! I'm not trying to stir shit, nor am I trying to imply that all people of faith are fanatics. I have friends of all faiths. I'm just uncomfortable with the idea of ANYONE believing they have a right - natural, God-given, or whatever - to take the life of another.

 

[PHANTOM5875]

This trolley is OFF the tracks!...........

Reading those last few postings above Ms. Whisker face

Damned if this little trolley didn't turn down a bizarre track. First we started out with "would Jesus kill somebody or the other" to necrophilia. *Yuck!*

I'm SO glad I just worship her holy royal worthiness, the all present, the all knowing, the all feeling *Siren*

(kneeling and laying offerings at her sacred feet)

(praying to holy Siren..."please make the scary, irritating people go away, please, please, please....)

Phantom

 

[Guest]

We rage against the darkness, shout against the madness.

We cry out to our god how could you let this happen? Why does this go on and on? Truly JOB was our brother and GOD is our father. Will we never be still and know that he is God?

 

[PHANTOM5875]

Pay no attention to Ms. Whisker Face. She's one of those CAT worshipers. Ya CAN'T trust 'em! Her soul has already been sucked of her body by the evil cat creatures that lurk in her house. These evil cat creatures just want to make sure there are PLENTY of live, warm bodies to suck souls out of for their own nefarious feline purposes.

(Pay no attention to that fuzzy, whiskered critter sleeping on my DSL router)

Phantom

 

[PHANTOM5875]

We rage against the darkness, shout against the madness.

We cry out to our god how could you let this happen? Why does this go on and on? Truly JOB was our brother and GOD is our father. Will we never be still and know that he is God?

Well, in a word, NO!

Phantom

 

[Marxist]

No! I'm not trying to stir shit, nor am I trying to imply that all people of faith are fanatics. I have friends of all faiths. I'm just uncomfortable with the idea of ANYONE believing they have a right - natural, God-given, or whatever - to take the life of another.

(Playing the role of Todd today will be someone who can actually spell)

As Todd: What about Christ himself? Can't the Godhead collect up the malformed among us like misshappen cookie dough and stuff us back in the batter? Isn't that his right as our creator? I believe so. And on judgement day it'll be Killer Christ you've got to watch out for!