Would an interracial MMF three-way be dead on arrival?

[JuanSeiszFitzHall]

I’m kicking around a story idea that might ring a change on the Mature category. The main character is a 47-year-old unmarried woman, sour on relationships but up for sex now and then. She hooks up sometimes with a 73-year-old man, and at other times with a 24-year-old man. She has different upsides from each (experience and attentiveness from the former, youthful energy from the latter). She has December and May on either side, and considers herself to be “Stuck in August” (the story’s title).

When I think it’s reasonable, I try to add diversity to a story, which can make it more interesting for me and, I hope, the reader. The older man is a well-off, dandyish white gent, and I currently see the young man as an African-American tech nerd, fulfilling fantasies of his own by nailing a white woman (who shoots down his attempts to behave like a player; hilarity ensues, of course).

The main character, ticked off about things in general and the way her life is going, is normally okay with both men being her studs and nothing else. She hits a breaking point, however, and says that if they want to keep banging her, they’ll have to do it together, making her their focus and (she hopes) giving her bigger thrills than she’s ever had in her life. (She thinks she’d like two mouths, even if two dicks disappoint.)

Thus, the stage is set for two men, one white and one black, to service simultaneously one woman. As uncomfortable as the men are with the situation, and each other, they would probably learn something from the other person’s technique, and the MC’s responses.

From what I’ve picked up on Lit, in this forum and elsewhere, there may be a substantial straight white male-superior readership that would not enjoy this story, even with advance warning. It won’t help that the woman is not a ravishing beauty, just someone trying to get some fun in her unhappy mid-life, on her terms.

There’d have to be more substance, and a believable resolution, for this to become a real story. If I write it and really like it, I’d submit it despite the likelihood of its detonation. I have, however, other stories in the works, and if you folks think that even a good, well-written version of this story would get 1*-carpet-bombed, I might set other priorities.

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[UsuallyPresent]

Personally I suspect that there'll be lots of people who'd find a well-written version of that to be interesting, and lots who'll find something they don't like about it. Putting it in something like mature or group would probably make the most sense, but I welcome correction from those who've written in those areas.

AFAIK the one area that leads to regular one-bombing is loving wives where a cheating wife doesn't get destroyed - the 'burn the bitch' or BTB mentality is pretty strongly represented and vindictive when it feels insulted.

 

[yukonnights]

I see no down side to what you propose. The only suggestion I have is; Make it clear that there is no male homosexual content. I know from what you said in the story summary indicates this. But, the use of the tag MMF generally implies male on male sex. It seems that a carefully worded description blurb is important. Just an off the cuff example on that; Main Title ~ A woman with a man on each side of the bed

I'd read a story like you propose. It could be written in a very positive way, touching on both the age and the racial differences.

 

[Hypoxia]

My advice: I'd go multiracial with her being Asian, Pacific, or Native American. If you emphasize their age differences, post in Mature; if fuckathons dominate, go Group.

 

[KeithD]

Literotica isn't MMF or bisexual supportive, but such stories can be posted here. I'd suggest posting it to Gay Male if you don't want hate comments and down voting, though. Any reasoning you might have that this wouldn't be two males interacting sexually would be countered by those who think it is and will respond negatively if/when they find it in another category.

 

[Cognantreverie]

Literotica isn't MMF or bisexual supportive, but such stories can be posted here. I'd suggest posting it to Gay Male if you don't want hate comments and down voting, though. Any reasoning you might have that this wouldn't be two males interacting sexually would be countered by those who think it is and will respond negatively if/when they find it in another category.

For a bunch of pervs (myself included) that can read thousands of stories for free it amazes me what people get mad about. I am personally a fan of MMF and want to write a story for it, I was unaware it would be ill received here.

 

[KeithD]

There is no category for it here, although one has been requested for more than a decade.

 

[RejectReality]

I don't think the bisexual element is relevant here. The OP says that the guys are uncomfortable with the situation, and doesn't mention them doing anything with each other. If the story is ever going to evolve to have MM contact beyond a high-five, there's reason to be concerned.

Personally, I'd put it in group because it's a multi-partner situation. That's just me, though. Both of the older participants qualify for a segment of the Mature category readership, and mixing in the younger guy absolutely hits the biggest part of the readership that likes age-difference stories.

You may get some blowback from the interracial, but if I had to guess, I'd say it would be minimal in either Group or Mature, unless you're putting a lot of emphasis on it, rather than it being a descriptive element.

Her not being a supermodel probably won't hurt you in Mature. A lot of readers complain about that very thing, actually. So long as you're not going on and on about rolls of fat jiggling, breasts that look like a softball hanging in a sock, or stretch marks that look like the road map of a major metropolitan city, you'll be okay. Just having some miles on the old chassis isn't a deal-breaker. Some sagging, dangling, etc. is to be expected.

 

[EastonWest]

I'm new here (sort of; I've been a reader on this site off and on for years, never have managed to finish a story that I can publish), but I can say I would read that story. Tell the story that you have to tell, and it'll find its audience.

 

[gordo12]

But, the use of the tag MMF generally implies male on male sex.

Edit: You're right YK. It's been 10 years since I had anything to do with this. Memory is a little rusty. So MMF vs MFM. Even so the guys would generally be clear about desiring MM contact

If the author plans bi content, tags can take care of that issue.

My only problem with the sketch is the age of the older guy. Hard to keep up (realistically) with a young guy at that age. You might consider bringing that down a bit. Other than that the IR thing is a non issue with me. Write away!

 

[KeithD]

I don't think the bisexual element is relevant here. The OP says that the guys are uncomfortable with the situation, and doesn't mention them doing anything with each other. If the story is ever going to evolve to have MM contact beyond a high-five, there's reason to be concerned.

Your experience with posting such stories to Literotica is what? You have several of similar stories in your lit. portfolio (I'm not saying you don't, so maybe you do. I certainly do.)

You, I, and the author could rationalize the story as outlined as not an MM problem, but as I noted already, there are plenty of readers at Literotica who won't and will respond negatively, sometimes obscenely and with a quick "1" trigger, when placed anywhere but in Gay Male.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I'd be inclined to put it in Mature - but even there, expect some blow-back from the homophobes. I have no idea what the inter-racial factor might be.

 

[EastonWest]

Your experience with posting such stories to Literotica is what? You have several of similar stories in your lit. portfolio (I'm not saying you don't, so maybe you do. I certainly do.)

You, I, and the author could rationalize the story as outlined as not an MM problem, but as I noted already, there are plenty of readers at Literotica who won't and will respond negatively, sometimes obscenely and with a quick "1" trigger, when placed anywhere but in Gay Male.

This may be a dumb question, but could that be avoided by switching the tag to MFM instead of MMF? I've seen MFM used in other places where there is no guy on guy interactions in a threeway scene before.

 

[KeithD]

This may be a dumb question, but could that be avoided by switching the tag to MFM instead of MMF? I've seen MFM used in other places where there is no guy on guy interactions in a threeway scene before.

No, not really. More than one guy on the bed at a time is the controlling factor with some readers here. Again, the Web site pretty much keeps anything like this out in space without a clear home here and there are readers who want to keep it that way and are happy to vote/comment.

I can only suggest to the OP that a check of the portfolios/actual experience posting here of those giving advice on where stories of this nature are likely to be given a favorable reception be undertaken when considering the worth of the advice.

But, submit it to any category you like. The last time I had a story like this to submit, I submitted it to GM, Laurel changed it to EC, and it got slaughtered in the voting. It was a contest entry.

 

[PennameWombat]

I’m kicking around a story idea that might ring a change on the Mature category. The main character is a 47-year-old unmarried woman, sour on relationships but up for sex now and then. She hooks up sometimes with a 73-year-old man, and at other times with a 24-year-old man. She has different upsides from each (experience and attentiveness from the former, youthful energy from the latter). She has December and May on either side, and considers herself to be “Stuck in August” (the story’s title).

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My story The Princess & the Queen didn't have the interracial elements (but kind of Mature), so YMMV, but I'll comment anyway. I used the tags "MMF" and "MMMF" because I had double- and triple-penetration of females by males (swapping couples who pulled their adult college-age children in, so there were age gaps....) Maybe "MFM" would've been better, but, oh well.

Although the text never said anything like "the men didn't touch each other" the action never included male-on-male, other than, you know, two men's pricks in close proximity (and well, with a DP or TP, it's inevitable there would be contact but each prick was in its own passage but the text did include this). I will admit that I was careful to avoid male-on-male, it didn't really fit the theme I was after.

The theme summarized was one mother and her daughter competing against each other who could best handle multiple men (with a bit of female-on-female thrown in.)

It's one of my higher-rated (until the trolls see this, I guess, knock on wood) and more popular stories, it's in Group.

 

[BelleCanzuto]

My story The Princess & the Queen didn't have the interracial elements (but kind of Mature), so YMMV, but I'll comment anyway. I used the tags "MMF" and "MMMF" because I had double- and triple-penetration of females by males (swapping couples who pulled their adult college-age children in, so there were age gaps....) Maybe "MFM" would've been better, but, oh well.

Although the text never said anything like "the men didn't touch each other" the action never included male-on-male, other than, you know, two men's pricks in close proximity (and well, with a DP or TP, it's inevitable there would be contact but each prick was in its own passage but the text did include this). I will admit that I was careful to avoid male-on-male, it didn't really fit the theme I was after.

The theme summarized was one mother and her daughter competing against each other who could best handle multiple men (with a bit of female-on-female thrown in.)

It's one of my higher-rated (until the trolls see this, I guess, knock on wood) and more popular stories, it's in Group.

I wrote a group sex story that is a triple penetration scene. LIke yours there's no explicit reference to the guys avoiding contact with each other. It's my most viewed and most favorited, and has a good score. I haven't gotten a single comment on it, and the one piece of feedback was positive. No one has raised any mention that it should have been in any other category.

I also wrote a fetish piece that near the end depicts five guys pissing on a woman, and then having sex with her (three at once, then the other two). No concerns raised about it being in the wrong category. It's my lowest scoring story, but I don't think that's because of the multiple male aspect. I think it has other problems, and I was just too enamored of the idea to see them.

So, for the OP, I think your story would be well received if you do decide to write it.

 

[KeithD]

It's sort of getting ridiculous. If two men are DPing a woman, they are having sex with each other. That's reality. It's sort of like those who say "the child was only watching and, though aroused, didn't touch either of those he was watching having sex." Voyeurism is a sex act. When you are in a threesome and you are one of two men with your erect shafts in a woman, you are having sex with each other as well.

But, yes, submit your stuff wherever you want.

 

[BelleCanzuto]

It's sort of getting ridiculous. If two men are DPing a woman, they are having sex with each other. That's reality. It's sort of like those who say "the child was only watching and, though aroused, didn't touch either of those he was watching having sex." Voyeurism is a sex act. When you are in a threesome and you are one of two men with your erect shaft in a woman, you are having sex with each other as well.

Ok. Fine, you're the final authority on this.
However, there are multiple examples of this activity being described, not categorized as gay male, and being well received. Which was the OPs question.

 

[KeithD]

Ok. Fine, you're the final authority on this.
However, there are multiple examples of this activity being described, not categorized as gay male, and being well received. Which was the OPs question.

I'll have to go look at your story file to know whether you are just pulling your opinion out of your "wherever."

Some people can't resist giving advice about everything, whether they know anything about it or not.

 

[BelleCanzuto]

I'll have to go look at your story file to know whether you are just pulling your opinion out of your "wherever."

Some people can't resist giving advice about everything, whether they know anything about it or not.

It's not my opinion. It's a recitation of fact related to two stories I've submitted.
PennameWombat made a similar point about a story they published.

 

[yukonnights]

If I were to take on a scenario such as the one the OP described, I would probably structure it such that the early scenes were about the two friends — just normal hetero guys that still like women, even as the years grow longer. This establishes a non-homo relationship.

From there, it can either be the two friends, or the older woman who goes on the fishing trip to find some fun.

***

Billy-bob finished off with a groan and his first thought was, 'I've scored one more orgasm before the curtains go down'.

Just on time, Ralph walked back into the bedroom with a fresh beer. His eyes first found interest in Pearl, he hadn't yet seen her opened up like this. He almost said out loud, 'Now that's a sight for sore eyes'. His first thought was, 'feels like my cock is gonna wake up right on cue'.

And Pearl...don't even get me started on Pearl. Her thoughts were too scrambled to make any sense of 'em — all mixed up in that time she thought she'd died and gone to heaven blurred with that time she went to that biker bar in college.
***

Where there's a will, there's a way. Clear description, good title, and clever craftsmanship. It's not a gang-bang, but in a gang-bang story I doubt there's a lot of homophobia on the minds of even the most frightened and sensitive readers.

 

[PennameWombat]

I'll have to go look at your story file to know whether you are just pulling your opinion out of your "wherever."

Some people can't resist giving advice about everything, whether they know anything about it or not.

Apparently if we're not a Guru we should shut up and keep our opinions to ourselves... I won't argue that yes, anyone asking for advice should understand from whom that advice comes and sure, it's easy to gather some amount of that by scanning over our profiles and I do that. But if we're going to establish a stable of Only These Contributors Can Give Advice, let me know where we apply.

No, I don't focus on MFM or however we want to mention it. I did describe my key experience above, the most detailed time I've focused on multiple males with a female. I'm not a mind-reader of Laurel as to why she would or wouldn't move a story (she's moved a couple of mine) nor can I read the minds of every reader of this site. I can only describe what I can describe. And I've never claimed to not be newer to this site than many others on this board.

That said, my "One Night" entry had two key viewpoint characters, Tom and Sandy. They each had a major scene, Tom 1x1 MF with a Carole and Sandy (female) was serviced by two enthusiastic dudes, one of whom was black, the other white (Sandy was described as white.) Sorry, there were two dudes on the bed. At once. And they by your definition had sex with each other, although the action was from Sandy's (very appreciative) PoV. Tom and Sandy had a third companion, Jason, and our second-last-view of him was "his left arm around the shoulder of a short, curvy woman with long, brunette hair, his right around the waist of a man with closely cropped brown hair just taller than him." He did NOT get a PoV sex scene, it was just implied how he spent the night by that statement from Tom's PoV. Quite highly rated for me.

I also had an interracial four-way late in (one fully human woman, one human woman transformed into a mermaid and two men) in A Mermaid Christmas, my Winter Holiday entry. Not to mention one of my viewpoint females describing in detail her favorite gang-bang experience (lots of TP) from when she'd still been fully human. Yeah, it's only in the 4.30 rating area. The comments have focused on other aspects, no one's said boo about the four-way and gang-bang.

Both One Night and Mermaid are in SciFi & Fantasy.

My "Nude Day" entry had a lead character who hypnotized people to act out their deepest sexual desires. A small number of them were gay, but it was all mentioned quickly as she didn't really care, she was causing chaos and always moved on from the scenes she caused (one such scene was in a church...) In Erotic Horror.

So long as I'm here, the most heat I've received was where I wrote from a first-person PoV of a woman (Sales & Development), but hid that for the first dozen paragraphs, although if you read carefully it's not that hidden. 4.36 overall but what hateful comments I've received were on that. She ends up seducing a coworker (although he's long made clear he's attracted to her) and it's purely MF and very vanilla in terms of the sex (in EC, they're both married to other people, no one has commented on that.)

My other works have lots of FFM. Have the instances of MFM or whatever caused lower ratings for some of these I've listed? I have no evidence based on comments or feedback. The Nude Day entry was meant to be confronting and for the 'evildoer' to 'win' and she did (although she did it for love). That could account for the rating of 4.25. It was happily ever after but not for anything 'good' she'd done (but it was all 'good' in her mind.) Yeah, maybe if your goal is a 5.00 rating then MFM might be a bad idea. If you want to tell the story you want to tell, MFM might be needed.

So I apologize profusely for having the front to offer what advice I can without having hundreds of stories and multiple years worth of experience on which to base that advice. I'm just trying to be as transparent as I can with my experiences. The scores and info are easily available via my profile and that's why I've included links, go look at the stories (and comments) if you want.

I've never won anything here and I don't have my entire (or any of my) catalog rated 4.95 and up. Oh well. It is what it is. But if anyone wants to discount anything I say because of that it's their freedom to do so. Nothing on my profile claims I've done any of those things.

The OP is simply going to have to decide to take a chance or not based on the description we were given and what info can be gleaned from this discussion. Isn't that what we're all doing here anytime we publish anything?

 

[ChloeTzang]

Speaking as someone whose written a few DP MMF interracial stories, in a First Time, Incest and Interracial as well as a Group Sex, nah, no problem. Go for it. You’ll get a few squeals from the odd reader, but generally I’ve found they’re received quite well as long as it’s a good story.

If it’s not a good story, we’ll, you’re going to be told.... but hey, no skin in the game, you won’t find out. Write it, submit it and see....

 

[RejectReality]

Your experience with posting such stories to Literotica is what? You have several of similar stories in your lit. portfolio (I'm not saying you don't, so maybe you do. I certainly do.)

You, I, and the author could rationalize the story as outlined as not an MM problem, but as I noted already, there are plenty of readers at Literotica who won't and will respond negatively, sometimes obscenely and with a quick "1" trigger, when placed anywhere but in Gay Male.

I do have several MFM threesomes, and I've never had any had even a hint of "Ewww gay!" triggered commentary on any of them. Even the ones with sloppy seconds have drawn no ire of that nature. DP where it's inevitable things are going to be slapping together ( I leave that part undescribed, of course. That would be a step too far ) hasn't proved a problem. The guys talking, ribbing each other, high-fiving, one rubbing the clit while the other goes to town... None of it has been a problem.

Gang bangs with copious amounts of semen that's pretty much unavoidable haven't triggered them either.

So long as all the men's sexual focus is entirely on the woman, the readership doesn't get triggered. At least, they don't get triggered enough to comment or horrendously bomb the score, anyway.

That's the limit of where I would go on here, though. Neither of the bi-male stories I've written are posted here, because there isn't a home for them. They're from the woman's POV, so I don't feel they're appropriate for the GM category.

My most recent one actually drew one complaint that the guys didn't engage each other. That readership is here, but they're drowned out by the triggered ones.

In this name I average a 4.65 on 96k views, 638 votes, and 54 favorites on MFM stories ( including the MMMMMMMF gangbang and the MFMF foursome with sloppy seconds ) and 4.69 on 59k views, 693 votes, and 38 favorites on FMF ( including the FFFFFM "reverse" gangbang )

Pretty much a wash. Higher scores for MFF. More favs for MFM. More views for MFM. More votes for MFF. Only stories from the Group Sex category included, because those in Incest or fantasy categories would skew things in opposite directions.

 

[JuanSeiszFitzHall]

Thanks to all for the input. I may indeed put in some time on this, mainly because details and situations keep occurring to me. I expect it to be a long story (probably well above 10k; for me, that’s long), so I don’t think it’d appear soon. But if I finish it, and like it, I’ll submit it.

In my post I used the ‘MMF’ label without much thought, and I guess MFM is better (it certainly describes their stack order). Especially if that makes clear that this is the F’s idea, and neither M would have sought this, but each goes along because, well, she’s the F, and they want to f her some more.

I value everyone’s perspective, and Keith D’s is one that coincides with what I’ve seen expressed by readers in a number of categories, not just LW. Yet I question whether a reader in the Gay Male category would be greatly interested in this particular story, centered on a straight woman and how she wants her male partners to bang her. The MFM event would be a single scene, giving the story its, ahem, climax. Reject Reality’s results are encouraging, but in my story I don’t think that one scene would suffice for Group Sex readers. So if I do write this, I’d probably post it in Mature. And if I’m a coward, I’d post it through a separate account to limit collateral damage to my other stories. (Kidding.) (Maybe.)

As the OP, I am ready to let this thread end, although I will continue to watch for more postings, and respond if needed. I gather that there’s no substance to the long-running joke that the Chinese ideogram for ‘trouble’ is two women under the same roof. Maybe not, but two naked straight men in the same room could be the Chinese ideogram for ‘Bummer’ or ‘Get Over It Already’ or ‘No, I Don’t Have A Tape Measure, Why Do You Ask?’