worse than a fairy tale

[babiesmiles]

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that's worse than a fairy tale !! I can't believe it

 

[TaintedB]

I'll say about this what I say about all of this crap: the world has gone totally bonkers. NOBODY ever thinks or considers what is humane, appropriate, correct for the circumstances, etc. anymore. They just act like terrified sheep and follow a idiot-script. :/

 

[babiesmiles]

I was really shocked when I saw it .

I though about that poor child , the video was on all TV on here and she looked terrified . There is not totally measure anymore .

 

[caela]

O.k. maybe I am just stupid but what kind of moron puts a 5 year old in handcuffs? Since when are adults not able to restrain a small child without the use of steel wrapped around the kids wrists? Christ my youngest brother is ADD and he used to go into wild fits before he was on his meds but we could restrain and calm him without resorting to calling cops and having the poor thing cuffed.

All it takes is a strong enough arm to hold the child and the willingness to do so, preferably while talking in a very calm and soothing tone and getting them out of the way of other children so none of them get hurt as well.

 

[arctic-stranger]

\All it takes is a strong enough arm to hold the child and the willingness to do so, preferably while talking in a very calm and soothing tone and getting them out of the way of other children so none of them get hurt as well.

Amen. I work with 7th -- 12th graders on a regular basis. I just dont have discipline problems. That is not to say we dont have fun...that is part of what we do. And that is not to say that things dont get out of control at moments, but never totally.

I dont understand it. Other people, who are much more hardass than me, are always sending me discipline problems, and i am having to take over the ruly classes. (This is a church, not a public school, and the classes are things like worship skills, bible study, etc...but dont think that just because it is a church, they are angels.)

I think the difference is that I actually like the kids....especially the troublemakers.

 

[Kajira Callista]

My two cents

Anyone who can not control a 5 yr olds temper tantrum has no business being an educator. Educators actually get taught how to handle situations like that in school....parents don't get afforded the same opportunity and i would say we manage just fine without having to call police in for help. What amazes me is that these ppl felt the action was justified...when all it did was make em look like incapable morons.

 

[DustyWolfe]

This story greatly saddens me. And yes, there is a way to restrain a small child so that she cant hurt you or herself. Do they not teach this to teachers anymore? I dont understand why the cuffed a child that was already calm in the first place. That just doesnt make sense. This kid is now going to be scarred for life... Imagine the fright, imagine the humiliation... This will follow her all through school unless they move to another town. Kids will make fun of her for the rest of her school days. It's horrible

 

[Sir_Winston54]

On the other hand, teachers and administrators have their hands tied behind their backs (in a figurative manner) by the plethora of parents who sue them because their child didn't get an education, or because their child lost a fight with another student (the teachers/admins didn't prevent the fight), or because a teacher restrained them from hurting another student.

(Yes, this is true - I know a teacher who was sued because she held a student back from trying to brain another student with a classroom chair. The student who was held had slight bruising on her upper arms where the teacher held her. The student's personal physician testified that the child had a near-uncontrollable temper, bruised easily, and had stopped taking her ADHD medications. The teacher won the suit, but it still cost the union more than $30,000 to defend her, because the judge refused to grant costs, because the union had provided the attorney. Despite the fact that the union provided the attorney because the teacher was a member, and that any costs granted would only have gone to reimburse the union, the judge ruled that the union was not a party to the suit and therefore could not recover costs, and the teacher couldn't recover costs, because the union had paid them!)

Until parents once again take responsibility for their children's behavior and performance in school, the schools are going to have to call the police when a child is deemed uncontrollable.

The behavior of the SPPD officers on the other hand, should be considered criminal stupidity.

 

[Kajira Callista]

On the other hand, teachers and administrators have their hands tied behind their backs (in a figurative manner) by the plethora of parents who sue them because their child didn't get an education, or because their child lost a fight with another student (the teachers/admins didn't prevent the fight), or because a teacher restrained them from hurting another student.

(Yes, this is true - I know a teacher who was sued because she held a student back from trying to brain another student with a classroom chair. The student who was held had slight bruising on her upper arms where the teacher held her. The student's personal physician testified that the child had a near-uncontrollable temper, bruised easily, and had stopped taking her ADHD medications. The teacher won the suit, but it still cost the union more than $30,000 to defend her, because the judge refused to grant costs, because the union had provided the attorney. Despite the fact that the union provided the attorney because the teacher was a member, and that any costs granted would only have gone to reimburse the union, the judge ruled that the union was not a party to the suit and therefore could not recover costs, and the teacher couldn't recover costs, because the union had paid them!)

Until parents once again take responsibility for their children's behavior and performance in school, the schools are going to have to call the police when a child is deemed uncontrollable.

The behavior of the SPPD officers on the other hand, should be considered criminal stupidity.

sorry darling...i'm gonna disagree. something obviously agitated this child well before she lost control. according to what i read this went on for a while. do not blame parents for actions of their children while they are in someone else's care... it was the teachers responsibility, not the parents, and when the parent was called she was there in 20 mins. i would say that she took her responsibility as a parent pretty seriously.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

sorry darling...i'm gonna disagree. something obviously agitated this child well before she lost control. according to what i read this went on for a while. do not blame parents for actions of their children while they are in someone else's care... it was the teachers responsibility, not the parents, and when the parent was called she was there in 20 mins. i would say that she took her responsibility as a parent pretty seriously.

Yes, something agitated the child. Yes, it went on for a while. However, teachers, especially in FL - I know, I taught there for a dozen years - are terrified to touch a child these days to try to restrain them. Some kids simply won't be controlled until they can get control of themselves, especially the younger ones. Yes, teachers need to be able to handle their students, but sometimes it just can't be done, especially if it's a teacher without a lot of experience, which is implied by the fact that the taping was being done as part of a "self-improvement exercise" for the teacher.

However, I have to disagree with you on the second part, regarding the parent:
"After calling her mother and learning she would not be able to pick up the child for at least one more hour, the teachers resorted to calling the police.

Three officers rushed to the scene and handcuffed the girl, by that time apparently calm, after pinning her arms behind her back.

The footage showed her in distress after being handcuffed.

They finally drove her to her mother in the back of a police cruiser."

 

[Kajira Callista]

Yes, something agitated the child. Yes, it went on for a while. However, teachers, especially in FL - I know, I taught there for a dozen years - are terrified to touch a child these days to try to restrain them. Some kids simply won't be controlled until they can get control of themselves, especially the younger ones. Yes, teachers need to be able to handle their students, but sometimes it just can't be done, especially if it's a teacher without a lot of experience, which is implied by the fact that the taping was being done as part of a "self-improvement exercise" for the teacher.

However, I have to disagree with you on the second part, regarding the parent:
"After calling her mother and learning she would not be able to pick up the child for at least one more hour, the teachers resorted to calling the police.

Three officers rushed to the scene and handcuffed the girl, by that time apparently calm, after pinning her arms behind her back.

The footage showed her in distress after being handcuffed.

They finally drove her to her mother in the back of a police cruiser."

well you read and i saw two different things, the news i watched said her mother arrived in 20 mins. and i still think that when i leave my child in someone else's care, they should be capable of handling my child...or else i might as well home school and forget paying a teachers salary by neglecting my school taxes. and as an aside, you cant tell me that whomever was with this child let whatever was happening fester til the child exploded...i have seen way too many times children who are upset being ignored or treated like they aren't emotional feeling beings. you know me well enough to know I'm not pounding my chest for all the poor children neglected in schools (sarcasm) but you also know that police and school staff alike would have some big time explaining to do to me....after they picked there damned teeth up off the floor of course.

 

[Aeroil]

Ugh, there are way too many serious conversations going on here recently, I am really ceasing to care...

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Ugh, there are way too many serious conversations going on here recently, I am really ceasing to care...

No one's forcing you to read the serious conversations, are they? Or, given your submissive nature, are they?

 

[Aeroil]

No one's forcing you to read the serious conversations, are they? Or, given your submissive nature, are they?

My charm and wit are too great for me to deprive the forum of such a gift.
It's a curse, really .

hehehe, but seriously, I'm not really complaining, just getting a bit too tiring for my tastes, a lot of serious non-bdsm topics have been springing up.

 

[redelicious]

Not all teachers are taught safe ways to restrain children. I was, because I taught special education and many of my students had some pretty extreme behaviors. I wouldn't use those techniques in a regular ed setting unless someone was in danger of being injured. Hopefully I would be able to defuse the situation before it got to that point.

On the other hand, some students go to school without any structure or social skills whatsoever. My not being able to control them would not make me an ineffective teacher. It would indicate the need for more support for both the student and myself - which we may or may not get.

 

[Xelebes]

If the union was worth something, I would only believe that they are petitioning the state government to help the teacher's cause. I mean, that is what a union is for.

 

[jasonlf]

I think some of you have some MAJORly optimistic views of kids.

I work in schools of all ages.

Some 5 year olds get violent. Very. While they may not pose a threat to adults, they can to the other kids.

I pin blame for this SQUARELY on the shoulders of the mom. If her kid was acting up that bad, she's been a deliquent parent, and then she fucked up again by not picking her up.

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[Lilith]

Here in FL we are trained to refrain from restraining a child if we have not had the proper courses to ensure liability coverage. I know a principal who lost his job and was sued when a child was injured as he broke up a fight. Looks to me like the teacher/admin were the ones correctly handling the situation and that things did not escalate beyond repair til the police arrive. This issue should be between the parents and the police. The school staff did what was necessary to keep the child and the other students safe.

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[shy slave]

As with every news story we will never know the whole truth about this incident, even with video footage its only a snapshot of the bigger picture.


There would be an outcry if that happened in the UK.
However, its just too easy to blame either educators or parents, somewhere at sometime that child has been put in a situation where the only reaction available to them has been one of violence.

If your being ignored, the way to get attention is to cause a problem.....

"Any attention is better than no attention"

Learnt behaviour can be changed it just takes longer and needs lots of positive reinforcement over a very long period of time.