Worried about supplies of fish?

Are you concerned about the world supply of fish for the next 30 years?

  • I'm not concerned at all; humans always figure better technologies and develop alternatives we can'

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  • I don't know what to make of the situation.

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Pure

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See the study below, for example.


HTTP://WWW.STATESMANJOURNAL.COM/APPS/PBCS.DLL/ARTICLE?AID=/20061103/NEWS/611030333

OCEAN ECOSYSTEM

Supply of seafood could be gone by 2048, international study says
Experts say it's not too late to reverse decline of species


Statesman Journal, news services
November 3, 2006

WASHINGTON -- The world will run out of seafood by 2048 if steep declines in marine species continue at current rates, according to a study released Thursday by an international group of ecologists and economists.

The paper, published in the journal Science, concludes that overfishing, pollution and other environmental factors are wiping out important species around the globe, hampering the ocean's ability to produce seafood, filter nutrients and resist the spread of disease.
"Whether we looked at tide pools or studies over the entire world's ocean, we saw the same picture emerging. In losing species, we lose the productivity and stability of entire ecosystems," said lead author Boris Worm of Dalhousie University in Halifax, Nova Scotia. "I was shocked and disturbed by how consistent these trends are -- beyond anything we suspected."

The 14 researchers from Canada, Panama, Sweden and the United States spent four years analyzing all the available data about fish populations and ocean ecosystems to reach their conclusion -- including a 1,000-year time series for 12 coastal regions, drawing on data from archives, fishery records, sediment cores and archaeological data.

They found that by 2003 -- the last year for which data about global commercial fish catches is available -- 29 percent of all fished species had collapsed, and that the rate of population collapses has accelerated in recent years.

"At this point, 29 percent of fish and seafood species have collapsed -- that is, their catch has declined by 90 percent. It is a very clear trend, and it is accelerating," Worm said. "If the long-term trend continues, all fish and seafood species are projected to collapse within my lifetime, by 2048."

As of 1980, just 13.5 percent of fished species had collapsed, even though fishing vessels were pursuing 1,736 fewer species back then. Today, the fishing industry harvests 7,784 species commercially.
"It looks grim, and the projection of the trend into the future looks even grimmer," Worm said. "But it's not too late to turn this around. It can be done, but it must be done soon. We need a shift from single-species management to ecosystem management. It just requires a big chunk of political will to do it."

The researchers called for new marine reserves, better management to prevent overfishing and tighter controls on pollution.
In the 48 areas worldwide that have been protected to improve marine biodiversity, they found, "diversity of species recovered dramatically, and with it the ecosystem's productivity and stability."
Although seafood forms a crucial concern in their study, the researchers were analyzing overall biodiversity of the oceans. The more species in the oceans, the better each can handle exploitation.
"Even bugs and weeds make clear, measurable contributions to ecosystems," said co-author J. Emmett Duffy of the Virginia Institute of Marine Sciences.

Some U.S. fishery-management officials, industry representatives and academics questioned the team's dire predictions, however, saying that countries such as the U.S. and New Zealand have taken steps in recent years to halt the depletion of their commercial fisheries.

"The projection is way too pessimistic, at least for the United States," said Steven Murawski, the chief scientist for the National Marine Fisheries Service. "We've got the message. We will continue to reverse this trend."

The National Fisheries Institute, a trade group representing seafood producers as well as suppliers, restaurants and grocery chains, said in a statement that most wild marine stocks remain sustainable. It added that its members could meet the rising global demand for seafood in part by relying on farmed fish: "To meet the gap between what wild capture can provide sustainably and the growing demand for seafood, aquaculture is filling that need."

But several scientists challenged that prediction and questioned why humanity should pay for a resource that the ocean had long provided for free.

"It's like turning on the air conditioning rather than opening the window," said Stanford University marine sciences professor Stephen Palumbi, one of the paper's authors.

Oregon State University marine biologist Jane Lubchenco said the new study makes clear that fish stocks are in trouble even though consumers appear to have a cornucopia of seafood choices.
"I think people don't get it," Lubchenco said. "They think, 'If there is a problem with the oceans, how come the case in my grocery store is so full?' There is a disconnect."

Seafood has become a growing part of Americans' diet in recent years. Consumption totaled 16.6 pounds per person in 2004, the most recent data available, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. That compares with 15.2 pounds in 2000.

Joshua Reichert, the chief of the private Pew Charitable Trusts' environment program, pointed out that worldwide fishing provides $80 billion in revenue and 200 million people depend on it for their livelihoods. For more than 1 billion people, many of whom are poor, fish is their main source of protein, he said.

Fish and seafood are key protein sources for a world that's expected to add another 3 billion people by 2050. But the projected decline is also a problem for people who don't eat fish. Sixty percent of Americans live within 60 miles of a coast. Declines in marine biodiversity can:

· Increase coastal flooding because of loss of floodplains and erosion control provided by the wetlands, reefs and underwater vegetation that have a symbiotic relationship with marine life.

· Reduce water quality by destroying the plankton, plants and shellfish that are the ocean's biological filtering ability. A single oyster, for example, can filter 50 gallons of water per day.

· Increase beach closure because of harmful algae blooms, such as red tide, facilitated by the diminished filtering.

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fish farming article

http://www.economist.com/business/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1974103



another review study is at

http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/007/y5600e/y5600e08.htm

The State of World Fisheries and Aquaculture (2004)

[...]
Prospects for fish production

Total world fish production would increase from 129 million tonnes in 1999/2001 to 159 million tonnes by the year 2010 and to 172 million tonnes by the year 2015.93 This means that growth in global world fish production is projected to decline from the annual rate of 2.7 percent of the past decade to 2.1 percent per year between 1999/2001 and 2010 and to 1.6 percent per year between 2010 and 2015. World capture production is projected to stagnate, while world aquaculture production is projected to increase substantially, albeit at a slower rate than in the past.

Out of the expected increase of 43 million tonnes in global fish production from 1999/2001 to 2015, 73 percent would come from aquaculture, which is projected to account for 39 percent of global fish production in 2015 (up from 27.5 percent in 1999/2001).

The share of pelagic species in total fish output would decline from 30.8 percent in 1999/2001 to 24.5 percent by 2015. Similarly, the share of demersal fish would shrink from 16.2 percent to 12.7 percent. By contrast, the share of freshwater and diadromous fish would increase from 23.7 percent in 1999/2001 to 29.3 percent by 2015, and that of crustaceans, molluscs and cephalopods would rise from 20.5 to 25.6 percent during the same period.

Prospects for trade and implications for prices

A comparison of the supply and demand projections for fish and fishery products shows that demand would tend to exceed potential supply. The deficit for all types of fish combined would amount to 9.4 million tonnes by 2010 and to 10.9 million tonnes by 2015. The deficit will not materialize as the market will be re-equilibrated, on the one hand through relative price rises and shifts in demand among different types of fish and fish products and, on the other, through shifts in demand towards alternative protein foods.

[...]
 
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I paid 5.49€ / kilo for farmed Sea Bass today. Wild Sea Bass was 16€/kilo in the fish market.

I voted concerned. The example of the potential disaster of overfishing is evident in the Grand Banks - the cod have gone.

However, the potential to re-stock some species through fish farming is gaining ground, the problem with that approach is we do not fully understand the eco-system.

A recent round world sampling of waters by the US Energy Department exposed more than 5,000 new species in the worlds oceans, many in specific locations. These are micro organisms at the 1 to 3 micron scale, ie: invisible, but they clearly play a part in local and world wide eco-systems. Most of these new species were sampled at 200 metres depth, in other words, unlike plants, they don't require photosynthesis to do their 'work'. A plant synthesises CO2 and water, producing Oxygen and glucose. These micro-oragnisms synthesise CO2 and water to produce Hydrogen and Oxygen, what they use for 'fuel' is unclear, but here's a pointer. The carcass of a Minke whale on the ocean floor is the site of a highly active eco-system. Again from memory, it takes around three months to completely strip the carcass to bone, a soup of micro-organisms surround the carcass, working away after predatory fish have taken their fill. Is it possible the detrious of the ocean is their fuel source? Dead fish are part of the detrious. No fish, no Hydrogen producing micro-oragnisms? Maybe someone more clued up than me knows the answers.

Just in case anyone is interested, the Department of Energy is looking for micro-organisms that split water into hydrogen and oxygen. This study has revealed far more of our hydrogen comes from sea water than was previously understood, I can't recall the figures but I believe it was a magnitude of three times more. That in itself is worrying if we are interferring with the ocean eco-systems. I understand the long term plan is to establish 'hydrogen farms' teaming with genetically engineered hydrogen splitting micro-organisms.

As for the fish, they are part of a food chain we know next to nothing about, except at the fish market and the table.
 
What worries me most is that too many won't believe it's even possible until it's too late.
 
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We're a species full of hubris.

And as assorted Greek plays show, hubris in inevitably followed by nemesis.

I'm pretty sure our species will survive an ecological disaster. But we won't like it very much.
 
How many sharks are on the endangered species lists? I think there where 3, not sure if any still remain on the list.

How many species are actually endangered? Roughly half.

How many species of sharks are there? Over 300.
 
FallingToFly said:
How many sharks are on the endangered species lists? I think there where 3, not sure if any still remain on the list.

How many species are actually endangered? Roughly half.

How many species of sharks are there? Over 300.
Shark and Marine Conservation List

Endangered Shark Species
1. Ganges shark
2. Borneo shark
3. Basking shark - North Pacific & Northeast Atlantic sub-populations
4. Speartooth shark
5. Whitefin Topeshark
6. Angular Angel shark - Brazilian sub-population
7. Smoothback Angel shark
8. Spinner shark - Northwest Atlantic sub-population
9. Pondicherry shark
10. Smoothtooth Blacktip
11. Blacktip shark - Northwest Atlantic sub-population
12. Dusky shark - Northwest Atlantic & Gulf of Mexico sub-populations
13. Grey Nurse shark (aka Sand Tiger)
14. Great White shark
15. Gulper shark
16. Basking shark
17. School shark (aka Tope shark)
18. Bluegray Carpetshark
19. Porbeagle shark
20. Whale shark

Insufficient Data
(The sharks listed below have not had enough data collected about them to determine whether or not they are endangered.)
1. Thresher shark (Alopias vulpinus)
2. Java shark (aka Pigeye) (Carcharhinus amboinensis)
3. Kitefin shark (Dalatias licha)
4. Salmon shark (Lamna ditropis)
5. Megamouth shark (Megachasma pelagios)
6. Broadnose Sevengill shark (Notorynchus cepedianus)
7. Bigeye Sand Tiger (Odontaspis noronhai)
8. Narrowmouth Catshark (Schroederichthys bivius)
9. Great Hammerhead (Sphyrna mokarran)
10. Argentine Angel shark (Squatina argentina)
 
neonlyte said:
Shark and Marine Conservation List

Endangered Shark Species
1. Ganges shark
2. Borneo shark
3. Basking shark - North Pacific & Northeast Atlantic sub-populations
4. Speartooth shark
5. Whitefin Topeshark
6. Angular Angel shark - Brazilian sub-population
7. Smoothback Angel shark
8. Spinner shark - Northwest Atlantic sub-population
9. Pondicherry shark
10. Smoothtooth Blacktip
11. Blacktip shark - Northwest Atlantic sub-population
12. Dusky shark - Northwest Atlantic & Gulf of Mexico sub-populations
13. Grey Nurse shark (aka Sand Tiger)
14. Great White shark
15. Gulper shark
16. Basking shark
17. School shark (aka Tope shark)
18. Bluegray Carpetshark
19. Porbeagle shark
20. Whale shark

Insufficient Data
(The sharks listed below have not had enough data collected about them to determine whether or not they are endangered.)
1. Thresher shark (Alopias vulpinus)
2. Java shark (aka Pigeye) (Carcharhinus amboinensis)
3. Kitefin shark (Dalatias licha)
4. Salmon shark (Lamna ditropis)
5. Megamouth shark (Megachasma pelagios)
6. Broadnose Sevengill shark (Notorynchus cepedianus)
7. Bigeye Sand Tiger (Odontaspis noronhai)
8. Narrowmouth Catshark (Schroederichthys bivius)
9. Great Hammerhead (Sphyrna mokarran)
10. Argentine Angel shark (Squatina argentina)

Awesome... they have their own list now! Last I checked, I couldn't find any at all.
 
thanks for the information, neon. i can see there are people far more informed than i, on this one.

here in Canada, of course, it was the disappearance of cod that hit people pretty hard. but i don't know if any measures are in place to prevent the same thing happening to other seemingly plenteous fish.

each nation has its interest (and looks after its fishing corporations, and maybe after its fishermen). getting international cooperation is a bitch (e.g. trying to get the Japs to slow down on killing whales--lately for 'research' purposes).

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PS. How do expect the Portuguese to do in this scrap over limited supplies?
 
Pure said:
PS. How do expect the Portuguese to do in this scrap over limited supplies?
This might make you smile.

The Portuguese, a once great seafaring nation, does not have a fishing fleet. About 20 kilometers from me are the salt marshes and drying fields where Cod was dried and salted for generations. The salt pans, all but the few by the Salt Museum, are left to wild foul, which is no bad thing of itself (we have Europe's largest colony of Flamingo on the marshes). The drying fields and and the factories lay abandoned, the concrete posts that supported the drying racks stand along the shoreline like thousands of tombstones.

When Portugal joined the EU, it was decided it didn't have a single fishing boat that met EU standards. Rather than than modernise an industry in recession, fishermen were paid off, and Portuguese waters divided between the Spanish and French. We still have hundreds of small fishing boats, and quotas, they land their catches, but the EU budget gives not one Euro for Portuguese fishing.

ETA: In the Azores - mid Atlantic Portuguese islands - they used to hunt whales in rowing boats, that sound like a fair and ecological contest. They caught what the islands needed, and no more than they needed.
 
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Here in the Pacific NW, salmon is a pretty big issue - also, many Bering Sea crab and cod fleets call Seattle home. Wild salmon is (rightfully, IMHO) considered a prized catch, yet they've recently issued warnings about consuming too much salmon from the Puget Sound because of mercury concentration. Salmon is pretty far up in the food chain, but Orcas are another level up, and I'd hate to see what happens to that population if the salmon die off. Seeing the Orcas around the San Juan Islands and Victoria BC and Vancouver BC is like a fixture of NW culture.

With forests and other ecological environments that are land-based, we have some early-warning signals. With the oceans, I don't think we're nearly as knowledgeable, sith potentially disastrous consequences.
 
So, my two cents as someone who actually works in the fishing industry. I don't actually go out and fish it, but trade it.

Personally, I think it's deplorable that scientists have to resort to scare tactics to get people to wake up about fishstock depletion. It is a serious problem, to illustrate which, I know of seven local species that have become endangered in the last five years (since I started working in fish).

However, I do disagree with the article. Particularly this part:
It added that its members could meet the rising global demand for seafood in part by relying on farmed fish: "To meet the gap between what wild capture can provide sustainably and the growing demand for seafood, aquaculture is filling that need."

But several scientists challenged that prediction and questioned why humanity should pay for a resource that the ocean had long provided for free.

For free? FOR FREE????? How can they say that! Clearly the ocean has not provided this resource for free, since it's being depleted! There is no such thing as a free ride, m'friend.

I think it's a very good thing that more people in the US are eating more fish. Seafood is much healthier than other meats, is an excelent source of protein, vitamins and minerals, not to mention that it's high in antioxidants and Omega-3. Very good stuff. This a good thing.

However, we have to be reasonable and understand that more consumption will require more production. Just like when humans started to farm wheat, and keep cows, we will have to start farming seafood. This is something that will we have to accept, and if we really care about fishstocks, embrace.

Farmed seafood is much better than "wild" seafood, because it lives in a controlled environment. There are no contaminants in the food or in the water (which is rigorously tested, unlike "land meats"), so there is no risk of mercury or cadmium contamination. Also, there is no "food pyramid" for farmed seafood, which implies contaminants do not accumulate. The species of fish that are farmed are selected for their higher quality, instead of whatever happens to fall in the net. The fish are harvested at their prime age, instead of caught at any age. Most importantly, farmed fish does not destory the environment.

Major fishing opperations use many damaging practices, such as "bottom trawling" which rips up the ocean floor, completely destroying the delicate ecosystem of the ocean. Fish farms are stationary in protected bays, and monitored to have little or no impact on the environment. They are not dragged over thousands of miles of ocean floor. Moreover, other fishing practices, like Longlines, inadvertenly affect other endangered species. Particularly the use of longlines for catching Chilean Sea Bass affect several unique St. George's Island birds, who dive after the bait and get snared on the lines. Another damaging practice, particularly in catching tuna and swordfish, is to use surfice nets that pull in several other endangered species, such as dolphins and even whales. All of these very damaging practices can be stopped by people buying farmed fish, which is healthier, better for the environment and most importantly, sustainable.

I'm sure that when the first woman introduced agriculture, there were a lot of old frumps around who said, "why grow it, when you can get it free from the wild?" Well, it isn't going to be free for long, particularly if people don't get over their old-fashoned ways and start promoting alternatives.

Aquiculture is a viable alternative, but it's up to you, the consumer, to determine what we do in the future: farmed, or continue depleting our fishstocks.
 
Tuomas said:
Farmed seafood is much better than "wild" seafood, because it lives in a controlled environment. There are no contaminants in the food or in the water (which is rigorously tested, unlike "land meats"), so there is no risk of mercury or cadmium contamination. Also, there is no "food pyramid" for farmed seafood, which implies contaminants do not accumulate. The species of fish that are farmed are selected for their higher quality, instead of whatever happens to fall in the net. The fish are harvested at their prime age, instead of caught at any age. Most importantly, farmed fish does not destory the environment.

Isn't it true though that not all seafood can be farmed?

I thought I'd heard that deep-sea fish like tuna and swordfish can't be farmed because they need too much room.
 
dr_mabeuse said:
Isn't it true though that not all seafood can be farmed?

I thought I'd heard that deep-sea fish like tuna and swordfish can't be farmed because they need too much room.
Fish farming is a rather insipient project. In fact, I believe the first real fish farms only began in the later half of the 20th century. Currently, that I know of, fish that are farmed are cod, sea bass, flounder, salmon and trout. There are several other species that are being studied for farming purposes, like golden kingpin and tuna, with some success. There has been significant problems in cultivating deep-sea fishes, however, there have been a number of break-throughs. Chilean Sea Bass, for example, has been sucessfully farmed for the last two years in a Government-sponsored programme in Southern Chile. This is one of those deep-sea fish that need a lot of room.

Other challenges reside in moluscs and crustacians. Although mussels have been sucessfully farmed in France since the 16th century, it is only reciently that these farms have taken on a more industrial rôle and atempted to cover the market's demand. Over 400,000 tonnes of mussels are produced anually, half of which is consumed in China alone. These have been the most successful of farmed bivalves. Crabs and Lobsters pose a different problem because of their violent and predatory nature. Locked in close proximity, they have a bad habit of eating each other.

Eventually, there will be certain species that won't be cultivated, most certainly. Just as we don't cultivate certain types of animals -deer, for example- for meat. I think those species will not be part of the mass-market, and be specialty items, like quail, pheasant and other "game meats" on our tables today.

Specifivally, tuna and swordfish belong to the same genus. I am aware of atempts to grow them artificially, but I have not heard of any success in that area. Tuna take several years to mature, so there will probably be a rather long delay before we hear any good news.
 
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