World's largest democracy on verge of seismic shift in attitudes towards women?

[islandman]

India mourns Delhi rape victim with candlelit vigils

Thousands of people gathered in the Indian capital to express their grief and demand justice for the 23-year-old victim, who died earlier on Saturday.

Six men arrested in connection with the 16 December attack have now been charged with murder.

The victim's body is being flown back home from Singapore, where she had been taken for specialist treatment.

The rape triggered violent public protests over attitudes towards women in India.

Large areas of Delhi were sealed off and hundreds of armed police and riot troops deployed as news of the victim's death spread.

 

[Lorilei]

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[LadyVer]

Probably not. The 18 year old there who was raped then given the options of a payoff or marrying her rapist chose to drink poison. Over here, depending on the state, a rape victim who becomes pregnant can expect the rapist to have parental rights, and if he is prosecuted and sentenced, a slap on the wrist.

 

[islandman]

To frame the argument, Rosco's thoughts on a 'tipping point' that must be reached in order to effect societal [sic] change. In this quote, Rosco refers to the recent Newtown mass-murders.

Irregardless of your opinions on gun control, there are only so many gun massacres that can happen within a certain time frame without tipping public sentiment and I wonder if we're getting close.

I wonder if Indians are getting close.

 

[islandman]

Probably not. The 18 year old there who was raped then given the options of a payoff or marrying her rapist chose to drink poison. Over here, depending on the state, a rape victim who becomes pregnant can expect the rapist to have parental rights, and if he is prosecuted and sentenced, a slap on the wrist.

In a nation of 1.1 billion people, you use a sample size of 1 to make your point.

 

[killallhippies]

do they still have the death penalty on the books for having hot gay sex or did they change that? i honestly can't remember and don't feel like googling.

 

[LadyVer]

To frame the argument, Rosco's thoughts on a 'tipping point' that must be reached in order to effect societal [sic] change. In this quote, Rosco refers to the recent Newtown mass-murders.


I wonder if Indians are getting close.

What are your thoughts on the situation?

 

[LadyVer]

In a nation of 1.1 billion people, you use a sample size of 1 to make your point.

Then I guess we have something in common then.

 

[islandman]

Then I guess we have something in common then.

Allow me to do the maths for you:

India mourns Delhi rape victim with candlelit vigils

Thousands of people gathered in the Indian capital to express their grief and demand justice for the 23-year-old victim, who died earlier on Saturday.

Six men arrested in connection with the 16 December attack have now been charged with murder.

The victim's body is being flown back home from Singapore, where she had been taken for specialist treatment.

The rape triggered violent public protests [SIC 'PLURAL']over attitudes towards women in India.

Large areas of Delhi were sealed off and hundreds of armed police and riot troops deployed as news of the victim's death spread.

What are your thoughts on the situation?

You'll find my thoughts on the matter in the title to this thread.

 

[islandman]

do they still have the death penalty on the books for having hot gay sex or did they change that? i honestly can't remember and don't feel like googling.

I don't know, but if history is any indication, they're a ways off before tackling that mindset.

 

[1sickbastard]

India mourns Delhi rape victim with candlelit vigils

Thousands of people gathered in the Indian capital to express their grief and demand justice for the 23-year-old victim, who died earlier on Saturday.

Six men arrested in connection with the 16 December attack have now been charged with murder.

The victim's body is being flown back home from Singapore, where she had been taken for specialist treatment.

The rape triggered violent public protests over attitudes towards women in India.

Large areas of Delhi were sealed off and hundreds of armed police and riot troops deployed as news of the victim's death spread.

I'm guessing a public gang-rape on public transportation isn't going to go unchallenged by the bus drivers in the future. But given the country is still largely rural (30% urbanized in 2010), and women still are not as educated (10yrs for females vs 11 for males), I'm guessing it's going to be some years before the culture really changes significantly.

 

[LadyVer]

Allow me to do the maths for you:


You'll find my thoughts on the matter in the title to this thread.

Not really. You post a thread that is an extremely emotional issue for most women. When I comment about it and ask you your views, you act as if I'm an idiot and you can't be bothered to give an opinion. But this is Lit so this isn't out of the ordinary.

 

[islandman]

I'm guessing a public gang-rape on public transportation isn't going to go unchallenged by the bus drivers in the future. But given the country is still largely rural (30% urbanized in 2010), and women still are not as educated (10yrs for females vs 11 for males), I'm guessing it's going to be some years before the culture really changes significantly.

All fair points, but I would note that this one rape happened in the nation's capital.

Not exactly a one stoplight town.

It's also worth noting that the PM waited a week before saying anything on the matter. I imagine like most politicians, his actions are based upon headcount.

 

[badbabysitter]

I got slashed in the throat just outside a nightclub in New Dehli because I had the temerity to turn a guy down

he was never charged, and my vaction was cut short ( after a couple nights in the infirmary of the local prison) as I was deported back home


this is a public outrage, but it will fade

India is quite possibly one of the worst places on earth to be a woman... it will take decades before women are treated as more than babymakers there

 

[islandman]

Not really. You post a thread that is an extremely emotional issue for most women.

When I comment about it and ask you your views, you act as if I'm an idiot and you can't be bothered to give an opinion.

One has nothing to do with the other.

My opinion is that it may be possible that the world's largest democracy is on the cusp of a seismic change in its attitudes towards women. I don't understand the difficulty in understanding this, but I've made it explicit for your consumption.

 

[SkAoUt]

Maybe.

Not that I don't want it to occur however shifting hundreds of years if not centuries of societal attitudes inherent to India is not achieved through one such event. Even with social networking available.

There is a clash happening as we speak. Young people men and women moving to the cities in search for better pay. And making something of themselves. Making good money, really good money and able to pay for a better life. Their parents are happy but weary of this shift. Weary about their daughters access to booze and boys in an unsupervised fashion. This shift from industrial to technological will come with teething issues. I'm not sure that a shift in attitudes toward women will be achieved in the ensuing tech revolution.

 

[badbabysitter]

One has nothing to do with the other.

My opinion is that it may be possible that the world's largest democracy is on the cusp of a seismic change in its attitudes towards women. I don't understand the difficulty in understanding this, but I've made it explicit for your consumption.

Because it isnt.. this is a country rife with protest... it's only making news because it's the first time someones given a crap about a girl


and its not even about reform, its about killing the the men responsible


nothing about protecting women, nothing about advancing thier value, nothing about encouraging equality

 

[Shagly]

I'm guessing a public gang-rape on public transportation isn't going to go unchallenged by the bus drivers in the future. But given the country is still largely rural (30% urbanized in 2010), and women still are not as educated (10yrs for females vs 11 for males), I'm guessing it's going to be some years before the culture really changes significantly.

I wonder if they get free abortions in India.

It's a thirld World nation.

 

[badbabysitter]

I wonder if they get free abortions in India.

It's a thirld World nation.

it's one of the largest economies in the world


seriously, does it hurt to be as stupid as you?

 

[islandman]

Maybe.

Not that I don't want it to occur however shifting hundreds of years if not centuries of societal attitudes inherent to India is not achieved through one such event. Even with social networking available.

There is a clash happening as we speak. Young people men and women moving to the cities in search for better pay. And making something of themselves. Making good money, really good money and able to pay for a better life. Their parents are happy but weary of this shift. Weary about their daughters access to booze and boys in an unsupervised fashion. This shift from industrial to technological will come with teething issues. I'm not sure that a shift in attitudes toward women will be achieved in the ensuing tech revolution.

I hadn't thought about social networking as a conduit for societal change in this example, but then I asked myself that it it can happen in Egypt and Libya, why not India?

But then I answered my own question when I realized that unlike those places, only half of the population in India - round numbers, I'll grant you - are pushing for a change in society's attitudes towards women.

 

[Shagly]

it's one of the largest economies in the world


seriously, does it hurt to be as stupid as you?

Third World nations bring cheap non union labor.

 

[1sickbastard]

All fair points, but I would note that this one rape happened in the nation's capital.

Not exactly a one stoplight town.

It's also worth noting that the PM waited a week before saying anything on the matter. I imagine like most politicians, his actions are based upon headcount.

Sad to say, this one rape will be more like an AIDS awareness fun-run in the USA. It will raise some awareness for a while, very few attitudes will be permanently changed, the politicians will make some statements, possibly debate in the national assembly, maybe even pass some legislation. And the event will more or less fade until another, more horrific rape happens in the future. Families in India still practice arraigned marriages for cryin'outloud. The caste system was abolished by law over 60 years (three generations) ago, but people still mind that sort of nonsense. Cultural inertia is a massive force. Takes more than a few well publicized events to alter it.

 

[LadyVer]

One has nothing to do with the other.

My opinion is that it may be possible that the world's largest democracy is on the cusp of a seismic change in its attitudes towards women. I don't understand the difficulty in understanding this, but I've made it explicit for your consumption.

This is Lit..You igged me 2 days ago. 1sb gave an excellent opinion. Your opinion, as begrudged as it is, was what I was interested in hearing. Anyone can post any article to start a conversation. It doesn't necessarily mean much.

 

[badbabysitter]

Third World nations bring cheap non union labor.

that would make them a financially dependent nation and thusly not one the worlds largest economies... and this simply isnt true, as they are a g20 nation


so once again, does it hurt being as stupid as you?


do you have some sort brain disease which makes you progressively less intelligent the more you type?

 

[islandman]

Because it isnt.. this is a country rife with protest... it's only making news because it's the first time someones given a crap about a girl

First time? Just because it's now making our headlines doesn't mean that past incidents haven't made theirs.

and its not even about reform, its about killing the the men responsible


nothing about protecting women, nothing about advancing thier value, nothing about encouraging equality

Curious as to how you arrived at these conclusions. Please expound.