World War II romance...

[TheCaptain]

Okay, here's an idea for a story I was thinking about writing somewhere down the line...

A Marine private about to be shipped off to war. The sexy older woman, the wife of his landlord. They have a night of passion before he goes off to boot camp, where the youth looses his virginity... now, he feels like a man, going off to fight a man's war for his country.

After three years of fighting and seeing a lot of his friends and comrades dying in the Pacific Theatre, an older, gruffier, less optimistic Sergeant continues to fight for his country.... though he is embittered by all the killings.

He has orders to see a beautiful nun, Sister Mary, back to the USS Valiant after she is found in the jungles of Taipan a the start of the campaign to take that island. The Valiant is a minesweeper in harbour... supposedly welldefended. It was to take her back to San Diego because it needed to reship and supply.

En route to San Diego, the convoy the Valiant is a part of is attacked by a group of Japanese Zero fighters and a collection of bombers... a couple of ships are damaged and two are sunk, including the Valiant... but the Sergeant and his charge are able to get off the ship. They pick up a nurse who was heading back to the States after she too had been found earlier on, in one of the POW camps on another Jap-held island in the Pacific.

There are no other survivors... the trio make it to a small, deserted island. The Sergeant is wounded pretty badly in the upper right leg while they were trying to get off the ship. The nurse and nun have to help bind the leg and set it in a makeshift cast... they have to hold his cock to the side so the nurse can get at the wound properly.

Over time, clothing becomes torn and tattered... unusable. They become more open with each other, and accustomed to each others' nudity. The nurse and Sergeant become lovers, then the nun, unable to fight against her own natural lust, joins in. They become passionate sex partners, with the two women willing and able to love each other as well as the Marine...

Thoughts, anyone? Suggestions, maybe? Thanks for reading

 

[sirhugs]

a tad dated. Update to Iraq war perhaps?

though I doubt there are nunds there. A gorgeous celibate aid worker perhaps?

there are enough desserted isles in the gulf to suffice....

 

[TheCaptain]

a tad dated. Update to Iraq war perhaps?

though I doubt there are nunds there. A gorgeous celibate aid worker perhaps?

there are enough desserted isles in the gulf to suffice....

hmmm... yes, that's a possibility, though I was sort of wondering how the Marine and women would wind up thrown together because the security around warships would probably be a lot better in Iraq

Will ponder moreso through the week... I'm heading off for a few days up the coast so won't be bak on til around the weekend

Again, this isnt sometime I'm going to rush to do, just trying to nut out preliminary concepts

 

[sirhugs]

hmmm... yes, that's a possibility, though I was sort of wondering how the Marine and women would wind up thrown together because the security around warships would probably be a lot better in Iraq

Will ponder moreso through the week... I'm heading off for a few days up the coast so won't be bak on til around the weekend

Again, this isnt sometime I'm going to rush to do, just trying to nut out preliminary concepts

a hospital ship rather than warship? or other low priority vessel.

 

[snooper]

a tad dated. Update to Iraq war perhaps? ...

No - the advantage of using WWII is that sex was not so free and easy then as it is now, mostly because of the lack of a female controlled contraceptive. This aspect adds that frisson of danger for the participants.

A further problem with the Gulf wars is the much better communications and surveillance. In WWII if a ship was lost it was lost. In the Gulf the position of everything is known to within a few feet.

Finally, in the Gulf, what could sink it? The Zeros (or a Kamikazi) could appear from nowhere, but the Iraquis didn't have a viable air attack capability, and radar would have been tracking them if they had.

 

[sirhugs]

yeah, I gues in Iraq, it's just female soldiers mud wrestling ( Ny Daily News via gawker.com)

 

[fogbank]

Yeah, I agree with Snooper. There's something really fantastic about capturing a completely different era and using it as an erotic setting. Of course, it's a lot more difficult, too. I really like the outline you gave. Definitely has potential.

And I'd add in a fourth inhabitant to the island--a japanese female POW, who is being transported back to the US under mysterious circumstances (possibly because she has valuable information, worked as a spy, etc.). Either way, some japanese woman who is initially hostile towards her companions, but has no choice but to work with them to survive. It would add a nice sense of tension to the relationships between the characters.

 

[snooper]

... initially hostile towards her companions, but has no choice but to work with them to survive. It would add a nice sense of tension to the relationships between the characters.

Sort of sexed up "The Long and the Short and the Tall" by Willis Hall?

 

[fogbank]

Sort of sexed up "The Long and the Short and the Tall" by Willis Hall?

yeah, good comparison. Long time since I've seen that movie, but seems to me it had a great tension to it.

 

[lapropdoc]

Yeah, I agree with Snooper. There's something really fantastic about capturing a completely different era and using it as an erotic setting. Of course, it's a lot more difficult, too. I really like the outline you gave. Definitely has potential.

And I'd add in a fourth inhabitant to the island--a japanese female POW, who is being transported back to the US under mysterious circumstances (possibly because she has valuable information, worked as a spy, etc.). Either way, some japanese woman who is initially hostile towards her companions, but has no choice but to work with them to survive. It would add a nice sense of tension to the relationships between the characters.

Change the nurse to a British woman working for their intelligence service. She's one of the people who were escorting the Japanese prisoner. The junior of the two officers. Unsure of herself without her superior. Initially you can have her a bit of a stuck up hard ass, keeping the Japanese woman handcuffed. Always watching her.

Eventually the other two complain about the treatment of the prisoner. The Japanese woman promises an oath she won't escape until they are rescued if she's allowed some freedom. Maybe she's a Christian. You get to play off the tension between everyone, especially if you have the nun befriend her.

Little in the way of supplies, everyone just wearig the clothes on their back. The Japanese prisoner is wearing a pair of tattered fatigues that show alot of skin. The English woman in heavy dress as was common in that period. The heat, the damp, the rain working on everyone's nerves.

Then you can have the Japanese woman perhaps caught taking a bath in a island pool, the GI secretly seeing her. Then catching the English woman watching too. Perhaps she appears at first to be aroused, then denies it when he confronts her...

You could throw alot of sexual tension between 4 people unfriendly and unsure of each other, forced to rely on each other for survivial. Throw in a tropical storm that wipes out traces of the ship wreck. Perhaps the Japanese woman saves the English woman's life during the storm.

One bit of historical erotica, as I remember reading American GIs in England discovered that unlike American woman, an English lass wouldn't kiss a fellow right off the bat. It took alot of perswading before they would kiss.

BUT and this is the cultural difference, once an English woman of that period kissed you, it was pretty easy to get them to have sex with you.

doc

 

[snooper]

... One bit of historical erotica, as I remember reading American GIs in England discovered that unlike American woman, an English lass wouldn't kiss a fellow right off the bat. It took alot of perswading before they would kiss.

BUT and this is the cultural difference, once an English woman of that period kissed you, it was pretty easy to get them to have sex with you.

You may just find that that was French girls, or to be more accurate Francophone girls.

The reason for this is thought to be that in French the same word is used for "kiss" and "fuck" (baiser), and so the two ideas are inextricably linked in their minds.

1984 and Babel17 both explore this concept.

 

[TheCaptain]

Okay great ideas, people. Thanks a bunch for the assistance... changing the nurse to a MI6 interrogator and adding a Japanese prisoner into the mix sounds especially intereting to me!

Once I work on a couple of other stories first, I will get to this one and work things out as best I can.

Please, keep the ideas-concepts coming! I want to make this one last a bit, and have an interesting, sexy story to it that will keep readers coming back for more!

 

[snooper]

... I want to ... have an interesting, sexy story to it that will keep readers coming back for more!

Don't we all?

 

[Cherokee Rose]

No thoughts or suggestions. Just wanted to say I'm looking forward to reading your story. I love WWII history.

 

[Texguy84]

Okay great ideas, people. Thanks a bunch for the assistance... changing the nurse to a MI6 interrogator and adding a Japanese prisoner into the mix sounds especially intereting to me!

Once I work on a couple of other stories first, I will get to this one and work things out as best I can.

Please, keep the ideas-concepts coming! I want to make this one last a bit, and have an interesting, sexy story to it that will keep readers coming back for more!

Question, did the intel people in England have uniforms, or did they wear business suits?

Also, on the subject of having it in a more modern period (or even just keeping it in the WWII period) you could have the ship lost in a storm or an accident of some sort rather than an enemy attack. Nature takes no sides in war, after all.

 

[TheCaptain]

Question, did the intel people in England have uniforms, or did they wear business suits?

Also, on the subject of having it in a more modern period (or even just keeping it in the WWII period) you could have the ship lost in a storm or an accident of some sort rather than an enemy attack. Nature takes no sides in war, after all.

Okay, thanks for the question and suggestion, appreciated both

The way I'm looking at this, the woman MI6 operative is more of a novice interragator than the actually lead agent in charge of their Japanese prisoner (who I'm thinking was lost on the warship, with most of its compliment). The woman, in my own mind and for the practical benefits of the tale, is wearing conservative clothing to fit the era (more research is needed as to what these items are and what they look like) but these items are more than likely to be shed as impractical and unwieldly as the weeks on the island go by.

A storm or accident? Well, although I'm quite sure that there were warships lost in storms and accidents throughout World War II, and the possibility of making the tale more modern DOES still exist, I myself appreciate the fact that there WAS a desperate battle going on throughout most of the Pacific region and, since I'm from Australia myself, I wanted to touch on the fact that so many people fought and died to defend the country that I call home.

The story is going to be a piece of erotica, yes, but I want at least a bit of historical events and examples of selfless valour that happened throughout that war to be represented also.

I'm trying to finish a somewhat stagnant series I've been writing called Caribbean Cruise before I start on this... I dont really mind one bit if fellow authors take inspiration from this thread, but please dont take it all! Somewhere in the near future, I DO plan in writing this!

 

[snooper]

... (more research is needed as to what these items are and what they look like) ...

I don't know about Australian TV, but in the UK we regularly get old films shown. Anything made in the 1940's (and not in period costume) will be authentic, because it was their era. The acting will look odd, and the story may be rubbish, but the costumes, hairstyles, and slang will be right.

 

[lapropdoc]

The way I'm looking at this, the woman MI6 operative is more of a novice interrogator than the actually lead agent in charge of their Japanese prisoner (who I'm thinking was lost on the warship, with most of its compliment). The woman, in my own mind and for the practical benefits of the tale, is wearing conservative clothing to fit the era (more research is needed as to what these items are and what they look like) but these items are more than likely to be shed as impractical and unwieldy as the weeks on the island go by.

Not even a junior interrogator. Remember people of that time, especially the British were sexist. The head people of MI6 wouldn't think of giving a "woman" a position other than probably secretary or clerk.

But for escorting a female prisoner, you would assign a woman companion. Someone to watch her in the toilet, bath etc. You make the English woman the daughter of one of the local British governors or ambassadors. Make her privileged and studied. Her father is sending her back to Australia for safety, and got her this job as an excuse to get her away.

Set the story at the time of the war just before Midway. The Allies were on the defensive after Pearl Harbor, we'd lost the Philippines and there was a real concern that the Japanese would invade Australia.

As for the heavy clothing, I pictured maybe that when the ship went down the English woman almost drowned. Her heavy skirt and such getting waterlogged and almost dragging her down. The Japanese woman rescues her and they both end up clinging to a piece of floating wreckage until meeting up with the GI and nun.

Also, her heavier clothing is a resource. The others are all dressed more lightly. So as they survive, building a hut, etc, they keep needing a bit of her clothing. Slowly over time she loses both her clothing and her modesty.

While the other three grew up in urban settings, the Japanese woman grew up near the coast and her father taught her how to fish. So while she's under suspicion for being a spy, the other three come to depend on her to get food.

One plot twist I'd thought of. After they all get rescued, the English woman has an interview with some MI6 types. They talk to her about what happened. Then before they leave, the Japanese woman enters. She's dressed in British military uniform with the rank of Captain. Turns out she was a British agent that was going to be sent to spy on the Japanese. That's why she doesn't tell the authorities about the sex that went on on the island.

doc

Added: Thinking thru the mechanics of the plot, I think you're going to have to promote the soldier higher. To Captain, or Major perhaps.

The reason is the ending where they're found. Its been almost a year, the ladies have changed their attitudes and everyone is free and open both with their scantily cladness, and their desire for each other. Then one day while the Japanese and English women are walking thru the woods, or perhaps sunbathing next to a pool, suddenly there are Allied soldiers. Its a recon patrol checking out the island. A dozen men led by a lieutenant. The ladies see them, scream and run. the soldiers follow. The ladies run back to the hut they've been living in. The soldier corner them, along with the nun. There's some lewd talk about the state of their clothing by the soldiers. And the fact the Japanese girl is there. Just as it looks like its going to get out of hand, the castaway soldier shows up. "What the hell is going on!"

The soldiers are a bit embarrassed, and the lieutenant is kind of like "who the hell are you?"

"That's who the hell are you, SIR!"

Just as it really looks like its going to get out of hand, the second part of the patrol shows up. The sergeant leading this part turns out to be an old buddy of the Major. And it turns out the patrol is part of his old unit. Major is famous for winning some medal just before going missing and presumed dead. This way you can give the castaways some protection and cohesiveness while they go thru the rescue and return to Australia.

 

[TheCaptain]

Loved the above post, doc, and totally agree there.

Was thinking about the female MI6 component of the story for a while there yesterday, knowing that something wasnt quite right with the way I was working this up as... I like the way you've worked that in, with the woman being some kind of watcher of the Japanese suspect, and think that's the way I'd probably go for the story, as well.

Well, I'm not EXACTLY sure about changing the GI's ranking, only cause I've got a clear picture of a young man in my head who's been hardened and roughed out by the bloody war in the Pacific, who's had to see and do things that no-one really should have expected him to do, and who has lost a part of himself in the process... you know, those wise-cracking toughmen types that sergeants are usually portrayed as by Hollywood flicks.

Could make him a Captain or something... sort of in the same vein as Tom Hanks' character in Saving Private Ryan. That could work. The way you've described the rescue scene is really quite impressive, and yes it can only work with someone of at least a Captain's rank. Major seems a bit too out there... then he wouldnt really be a soldier on the front, now would he? And I want to write in at least one section of actual combat, when the GI char and his unit is moving into a Jap POW camp to rescue the nun.

I personally cannot see how the Japanese woman can be anything more than some type of enemy spy herself, OR a double agent who had been working for the Brits but in turn was found out and turned by her countrymen. I want there to be true mistrust and initial hostility between the parties stranded on the island, especially between the GI and the Japanese woman, whom he only sees as another enemy hostile at first, who must be eliminated to ensure the survival of the others.

Over time thou, her generosity and willingness to help them all live off nature helps ingrain herself into the group, as they all become closer and closer and the sexual tension between them begins to build.

Though the notion of her being some type of MI6 agent going undercover IS a good idea, why would the powers-that-be allow her to be in custody of MI6 operatives and not making her way into or out of Japanese territory in a more stealthy manner? Wouldnt that make more sense?

Thanks so much thou for your ideas, please dont hesitate to keep them coming if you have more!

And if you want to state why you think it does make the story better to have the Japanese woman a Brit agent (why this wouldnt come up on the island though, in their 'intimate' moments, is beyound me, however), please, state the reasons out here and I'll happily reconsider!

Its all about fresh ideas and sharing concepts with each other, to make our stories better! This tale is only on the drawing boards now, its fluent in my mind, and I'm constantly adding and changing minute details all the time. So, keep the suggestions coming, all!

 

[lapropdoc]

Well, I'm not EXACTLY sure about changing the GI's ranking, only cause I've got a clear picture of a young man in my head who's been hardened and roughed out by the bloody war in the Pacific, who's had to see and do things that no-one really should have expected him to do, and who has lost a part of himself in the process... you know, those wise-cracking toughmen types that sergeants are usually portrayed as by Hollywood flicks.

Could make him a Captain or something... sort of in the same vein as Tom Hanks' character in Saving Private Ryan. That could work. The way you've described the rescue scene is really quite impressive, and yes it can only work with someone of at least a Captain's rank. Major seems a bit too out there... then he wouldn’t really be a soldier on the front, now would he? And I want to write in at least one section of actual combat, when the GI char and his unit is moving into a Jap POW camp to rescue the nun.

I was thinking more along the line with Ron Eldard's character Pvt Manning in "When Trumpets Fade". If you haven't seen it try and pick it up. That soldier is exactly IMO in his mindset of where the GI in this story should be at the start. He really does not care if he lives or dies, just so long as he gets away from the fighting. His unit has undergone terrible causality rates, to the point one or two people are left out of each platoon. As the survivor he's promoted quite quickly. Private to Corporal to Sergeant to Lieutenant in the space of days. While I'm not as familiar with the Pacific campaigns I can imagine that some of the island battles had nearly as high a causality rate in some units.

You could make him an Australian infantry soldier who joined early in the war. I don't know when Australia got involved but wasn't it earlier than the US by several years? That way he goes off and gets some experience working his way up from private to corporal, then sergeant. Then he gets to transfer over to British (or Australian) SAS. Does a few missions and gets promoted to Lieutenant.

Now is to the point of just before Midway. The Japanese have pushed the Allies back repeatedly. Taking island after island. The Lieutenant has watched man after man in his unit getting killed. He always survives. Then just before the story starts his unit gets a mission to rescue an important VIP (not the nun), recently captured. They parachute behind enemy lines to attack the POW camp.

You could also tie in the thought you had earlier about him being injured and they have to help him when they come ashore. He was injured by the POW CO who stabbed him in the leg with his sword when the Captain rescued the nun, who was in the CO's room instead of the VIP. Maybe the CO kept her nun habit in his room and makes her dress up before sex. The CO and soldier fight and when his team arrives he's repeatedly pounding the dead CO's head with something (rock, table leg, etc).

(As a plus, you can start the story with a sex scene. The CO and the nun doing the nasty )

This shows clearly he's gone over the edge and needs some down time. Later just before shipping out on the minesweeper, while in bed recovering he's given a medal and promoted to Captain.

I personally cannot see how the Japanese woman can be anything more than some type of enemy spy herself, OR a double agent who had been working for the Brits but in turn was found out and turned by her countrymen. I want there to be true mistrust and initial hostility between the parties stranded on the island, especially between the GI and the Japanese woman, whom he only sees as another enemy hostile at first, who must be eliminated to ensure the survival of the others.

Over time thou, her generosity and willingness to help them all live off nature helps ingrain herself into the group, as they all become closer and closer and the sexual tension between them begins to build.

Though the notion of her being some type of MI6 agent going undercover IS a good idea, why would the powers-that-be allow her to be in custody of MI6 operatives and not making her way into or out of Japanese territory in a more stealthy manner? Wouldn’t that make more sense?

I thought she was a British agent because I love plot twists at the end.

The distrust and suspicion would still be there because she can't tell them she's a British agent. And I envisioned that the island they are marooned on is in enemy territory, and so occasionally a Japanese patrol passes by. So if she was to tell the truth and they get captured, the soldier and other women might talk.

I have in mind a scene where the GI and the Japanese woman are walking thru the woods and spot a Japanese patrol. They quickly hide in a small cave. Pressed close the GI realizes that she might betray them so he puts his knife to her throat. No need, she smiles, I won't say anything. Their very close, scared. Before they know it his cock gets hard. He's embarrassed. He hasn't had a woman in a while. She's like oh you westerners all hung up on a natural fact of life. A man needs sex and that's what a woman is there for. Before you know it they're having sex. Think the scene in "Enemy at the Gate" between Jude Law and Rachel Weisz. Very hot and sweaty, clinging to each other, trying not to make a sound.

Then afterwards he feels he's betrayed things, sleeping with an enemy. When they get back to the hut, there is tension between them. They don't mention what happened to the others but still its there.

By making her a British agent, then there is a plausible answer as to why she never betrays them to Japanese patrols.

As to why she's being escorted, it was part of her insertion plan. She was picked up locally where she was working as a double agent. Now MI6 plans on getting her to Japan. MI6 plans for her to escape, with a big uproar. Probably once back in Sidney. She would contact local Japanese agents (known to MI6) and then be helped out of Allied territory. Her cover with the Japanese would be solid, and since she escaped anything she says, information etc, she wouldn't need documents. Maybe some sort of misinformation they need to get out now. She'd be more believable and then be in place to move up to the headquarters where she could be of use to the Allies.

Intelligence work, worms within worms within worms.

On thing, I'd have the English woman having never had a man before, but having had sexual play with her female college friend. That way at one point, she and the other two are sunning themselves after swimming. They start talking about sex. Maybe with the Japanese woman being in the role of older more experienced. The English woman admits to never having sex. The Japanese woman jokes "you should let the Captain do it to you". Admitting to having the Captain in the cave. How was he? Girl talk etc. Even the nun is curious. How did he kiss? Here I'll show you. Then the Japanese girl kisses the English girl. The nun is shocked. The Japanese girl is like "what haven't you ever?"

(We really need to name these women!!!)

It comes out then that the nun was used as a "comfort woman" by the CO of the POW camp she was at. He always had her on Friday, because he knew a joke "what meat do priest eat on Friday? Nun."

So the nun is traumatized by the rapes. More so because as the woman talk it comes out that she grew to like it. Now though she can't stand to be around men. Japanese woman is like, "have you ever ridden a horse?" Nun is from New Zealand, family raised cattle, "yes". "What do you do when you get bucked off? Get back on."

So she says you'll never be whole until you make love again, with a caring man. I can't I'm a nun. Wasn't Jesus a man? Yes. Well how can you trust him if he let this happen to you?

In the end the girls decide to get the Captain to make love to the nun that night. They run back to the hut, and dress it up with flowers. So too the nun. Then as dusk comes and the Captain comes back from fishing, the Japanese woman and the English woman are waiting for him in front of the hut. The Japanese woman leds him to a nearby pool and baths him. Even shaving him with his knife. She tells him about the nun and how she needs a gently man. Maybe even gives him a blowjob to cut some of his excitement off, so he'll last longer. Then she leds him back to the hut. The English woman is standing by the door with a big grin.

Maybe you could even get a bit of lesbian action between the two women later when they overhear the action in the hut.

This gives you a logical progression in loosening everyone's inhibitions. First sex with the Japanese woman. Then the nun. Then the English girl decides to loose her virginity, and wants the Japanese girl in the hut with them. Maybe the nun ends up watching and masturbating.



I also figured that the minesweeper in attacked by a Japanese sub. The four of them are awaken by the attack and sinking of an escort ship. Then as they are all standing on the deck, they see a torpedo heading straight towards them. It hits and blows them into the sea. They end up in the water near each other. Then after a bit the sub surfaces and soldiers from it begin shooting the survivors in the water. The four swim / push their bit of wreckage away before they are spotted.

doc

Added: There is another reason to make the Japanese woman a British spy. If you don't you risk the story being very racist in portraying all Japanese of that time as evil. True the Japanese military did some horrific things during WW2, but there were Japanese opposed to that who helped the Allies. The Soldier's going to say some pretty terrible things to the Japanese woman after the submarine machine guns the survivors and they reach the island. Maybe slap her around a bit. This way at the end after they are rescued and its reveal she's on the Allies side, she gets to do a little speech about her love of her native country but disgust with its leaders.

 

[snooper]

... There is another reason to make the Japanese woman a British spy. If you don't you risk the story being very racist ...

I thought that sort of Political Correctness was not required on Lit?

As the old man said, when accused of racism, "I'm not racist. I just hate the Germans. That can't be racist; I've got medals at home awarded to me for for killing them."

REAL war is nasty, as anyone who has ever been in it will tell you. You are taught to hate the enemy, to despise them, and to regard the world as a better place if they are dead. This naturally sticks in the mind long after the end of hostilities.

 

[TheCaptain]

I thought that sort of Political Correctness was not required on Lit?

As the old man said, when accused of racism, "I'm not racist. I just hate the Germans. That can't be racist; I've got medals at home awarded to me for for killing them."

REAL war is nasty, as anyone who has ever been in it will tell you. You are taught to hate the enemy, to despise them, and to regard the world as a better place if they are dead. This naturally sticks in the mind long after the end of hostilities.

True, but I'm liking the 'happy ending' aspect of the doc's notion, though I come from a strong family background with wars, my Dad being in Vietnam and still regards them in a harsh fashion, the same being true with my Grandfather and the Japanese...

 

[TheCaptain]

doc, these ideas are all very good...

are you a writer yourself, because with these ideas you would make a pretty bloody good one

again, I really dont know how long its gonna be til I get round to this story... but if you really want, run with your ideas! It might be good to see something out there with a combination of both our concepts

but I will do this, one day...

have any more ideas or suggestions? Most of what you've said, I agree with and will probably use if you have no objection... adding my own blend of concepts and ideas in as well, of course!

 

[lapropdoc]

I thought that sort of Political Correctness was not required on Lit?

As the old man said, when accused of racism, "I'm not racist. I just hate the Germans. That can't be racist; I've got medals at home awarded to me for for killing them."

REAL war is nasty, as anyone who has ever been in it will tell you. You are taught to hate the enemy, to despise them, and to regard the world as a better place if they are dead. This naturally sticks in the mind long after the end of hostilities.

Wow, I'm at a loss as how to reply.

It wasn't my intention to somehow opt for "political correctness" but to address some of the obvious problems with the Japanese woman character I saw. I've always thought the best characters in a story were ones that operated with a clearly defined internal mental structure. Those that don't do things out of "character. And I've always tried to write them as such.

To have her marroned on the island, and somehow suddenly become a friend and helpful companion to the other three didn't make sense if she was truly a Japanese spy. If that was the case, then her priority would be to escape and/or kill the other three. By making her a double agent I can remove the extranious BS of the whole "we must watch her" and concentrate on the core story.

If you look at the Captain's first proposal for the story

The nurse and Sergeant become lovers, then the nun, unable to fight against her own natural lust, joins in. They become passionate sex partners, with the two women willing and able to love each other as well as the Marine...

You'll see its more of a story about three people who go from aquaintances to lovers. It just happens to be set in WW2.

Now given that she was a double agent, you have to give her a logical and internally consistant reason for "being" a double agent. What makes a person betray the country of their birth to work for the enemy? Her speech at the end would give the reader an insight into that.

Having said all that, hopefully what I'm about to say won't start some flame war between me and you.

If your old man came back from the war and continued to lump all Germans into a derogutory catagory, then he was a racist. Its no different from some Southern white guy from lumping all African American under the "N" word because his father taught him to. Both are wrong. True war is hell. The thought of being responcible for horrendously destroying another human being is sickening. That we as nations must sometime send our young people out to do it is truly regretable.

But I also realize its sometimes neccassary. And sometimes to get those same young people to fight we teach them to dehumanize the enemy. That is no excuse. I hope our military has gotten past that. Maybe in the black and white world of WW2 that kind of thought was useful. In today's geopolitical reality, of non nation states like Al Quada, and insurgents like the problem in Iraq, its just not something we can afford to teach our soldiers. That kind of thinking leads to the prison abuse scandal we saw last year in Iraq.

And let me say I firmly believe in the use of military power as a political tool. I served 4 years from 76 to 80, three in West Germany. At no time that I can think of were we taught to consider the Russian and Eastern European soldiers we might have had to face had they invaded less than human. We were taught to understand them, and why they fought. We were also taught to bring as much destruction on them to complete the mission. I hope like hell that today's soldiers are taught the same.

I'd be interested in your reply,
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True, but I'm liking the 'happy ending' aspect of the doc's notion, though I come from a strong family background with wars, my Dad being in Vietnam and still regards them in a harsh fashion, the same being true with my Grandfather and the Japanese...

I really didn't consider it a "happy ending", but a neccessary part of keeping her character in character. As I mentioned in my reply to snooper, I've always felt the best characters in fiction were ones with an underlying structure to their actions and beliefs. And that they remain consistant to those. Its when they violate those underlying structures, when they do something out of character to further the plot always seems cheap to me as a reader. And what I try and avoid as a writer.

are you a writer yourself, because with these ideas you would make a pretty bloody good one

again, I really dont know how long its gonna be til I get round to this story... but if you really want, run with your ideas! It might be good to see something out there with a combination of both our concepts

Thank you for the compliment. I've been a writer since 1981. Sci-Fi (future combat & military), Fantasy (LoRings stuff), and erotica. I've written a whole bunch of short stories, two completed novels (one published), and have one other partially done.

I'm lucky that I can let my back brain stew on a story line and it tends to mix all the bits together until a decent story line comes bubbling up. I'm esepcially lucky in that I'm the shop foreman where I work and can leave the laptop on while I work, and get my thoughts down as they come.

I probably will go ahead and write my own rendition of our shared colabiration. I'm in the process of "Forest Gumping" an erotic series on a family of female characters from the 1890s to present, placing them within historical context, and this gives me a great story for the 1940s.

I'll post a link to it when I do though it will be several months.

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