World Cup Fever - one for the Scots!

jass1960

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Euan Ferguson
Sunday December 2, 2001
The Observer


Oh to be alive and Scottish in this dawn! Yesterday, with a fine serendipity to mark the passing of St Andrew's Day, England's World Cup hopefuls won the Hellspooked Draw from Obsidian Deep, and suddenly all is right within our Jock world: the winter sun beams golden, the air is fresh and hearts are glad, especially for those of us absurdly patriotic Caledonians who live in London. Or, as our own Bard himself put it, in tongue so belovedly expressive: 'Aye gang dree ma weerd ye reet numpty frauchie wheeshmacrackle bodniggle frowsty drouchtie slichtie wee hypocrite.'

It would be untrue to say that we take pleasure from your pain. Schadenfreude there is, for generations of Scottish football teams made careers out of woebegotten World Cup draws, albeit with a twist. Normally, the form seemed to be that we would play out of our drink-sodden skins to beat the likes of Holland and Brazil, leaving just one miserable goal needing prodded past the last team from the qualifying group, this usually being Tasmania, the Faeroes or the Women's Own One-Legged Macramé Team; and we would, of course, self-immolate, letting in 15 goals, fighting on the pitch, throwing girders at the ref and cheering to the rafters as Joe Jordan toe-punted another open goal high into them, letting us swim happily in our misery and go home broke and beaten and strangely comforted; for the great advantage of being in a rut is that one knows exactly where one is.

So there were a few salvadors* taken last night by London Scots cheered at England's grim prospects. It's not that we're wholly unsympathetic, for after a few years down here you learn to respect, revere and often adore aspects of Englishness; and so I cheered along with the rest of the pubful of mincing Jeremies when Beckham scored that last-minute free-kick, a sentiment which could have me garrotted in some of Scotland's more heroically unpleasant bars, such as one of those places in Aberdeen swimming waist-deep in fish-oil and bigotry.

So no, there's no actual hatred, far from it, but there is a mild frisson of anticipation and a little bit of hand-rubbing. Maybe it was, as I say, St Andrew's Day, passing unnoticed down here yet again. I know you don't really even celebrate St George's Day in England, apart from those people who dress up and scamper round the mimsy tree with a fol do lol or whatever, many of whose number I assume are now in jail following last week's paedophile swoop; but at least in Scotland you knew the day had passed, even if it just meant Glasgow was more impossibly drunk than usual. So, as Friday approached, someone suggested I wear the kilt to work, which would surely have knocked them out, especially those predisposed to severe anaphylactic reactions when confronted with insufferable nationalistic pomposity, or a man who looks like an arse. I didn't of course, not having the self-belief needed to be a true arse, or the brogues... and the day passed unfussed, again.

And then, suddenly the news comes through of England's sickener, and it seems like St Andrew himself is beaming down on us, sitting up there with his spider and Bonnie Prince Bruce and his... um... shortbread. And all is well and as it should be, for cheap emotion, false division, meaningless totems and a ludicrously overblown sense of national character are the fine steady rocks on which the Scots psyche is built. Wha's like us?

* For you poor uninitiates: Salvador Dali - a wee swallie. From, of course, Niall MacDiarrmidddh's 1850 classic, Falling Ower Again Wi' Ma Pockets Full of Porridge and Landin' oan the Dug
 
I take it you are getting a tad excited !!

Still a month away !!

I was in Italy in 90 , where we did our usual - lost to Costa Rica ( shit how could we ) then we beat Sweden and needed a draw agaisnt Brazil.

It was 0 - 0 right up to 89th minute, then Leighton did his usual - lost the plot .......1-0 to Brazil and the Scots out again in the first round.

I will shout for England ( very quietly though ) but as I said before please dont go and win the fucking thing, maybe a semi that is it OK !!
 
Re: I take it you are getting a tad excited !!

Gord said:
Still a month away !!

I was in Italy in 90 , where we did our usual - lost to Costa Rica ( shit how could we ) then we beat Sweden and needed a draw agaisnt Brazil.

It was 0 - 0 right up to 89th minute, then Leighton did his usual - lost the plot .......1-0 to Brazil and the Scots out again in the first round.

I will shout for England ( very quietly though ) but as I said before please dont go and win the fucking thing, maybe a semi that is it OK !!


Oh yes, very excited!

...it's hard being an England supporter but it must be cruel being a Scottish supporter - you were always so close!!!!
 
I'd rather cheer the Yanks!
I'd rather cheer the Germans
I'd rather cheer the Italians
I'd rather cheer the Swedes
I'd rather cheer the Nigerians

I'd rather cheer the fucking Argentinians

I'd rather cheer the British synchronised drowning team!


Cheer England? Not a chance.

Biased? Of course I am.
 
bluespoke said:
I'd rather cheer the Yanks!
I'd rather cheer the Germans
I'd rather cheer the Italians
I'd rather cheer the Swedes
I'd rather cheer the Nigerians

I'd rather cheer the fucking Argentinians

I'd rather cheer the British synchronised drowning team!


Cheer England? Not a chance.

Biased? Of course I am.

I wouldn't expect anything else, Blue :)

Thats why I thought of you when I read the article (& Gord & Frescofr)
 
jass1960 said:


I wouldn't expect anything else, Blue :)

Thats why I thought of you when I read the article (& Gord & Frescofr)

I was sure you did. I would hate to disappoint.:D

The only supportive utterance you will get from me on the subject is that I hope you get through the tournament with interruption from the scum that have too often attached themselves to the team. Nobody, not even the English, deserves that bunch of retards.

Now, how do you say 'are you fucking blind referee?' in Swedish, Nigerian and Argentinian?:D
 
I heard Posh and Becks threw a good bash...

pity I lost my ticket...

The team looks good, Sven looks good even the supporters look good.

Now all they've got to worry about is whether the tickets will turn up on time. Usual story, so many thousands have been sent, not so many thousands have arrived...

:)
 
bluespoke said:




The only supportive utterance you will get from me on the subject is that I hope you get through the tournament with interruption from the scum that have too often attached themselves to the team. Nobody, not even the English, deserves that bunch of retards.


I couldn't agree more!

Did you see that program on about Hooliganism?

There was a mad jock on it who said that he couldn't abide the image of the friendly Scottish supporters abroad - so he supported the only National Team that a hooligan could - England - it's a mad fucking world:(
 
Re: I heard Posh and Becks threw a good bash...

p_p_man said:
pity I lost my ticket...

The team looks good, Sven looks good even the supporters look good.


:)


Don't worry P_P_Man, ITV paid a 7 figure sum for the rights so you will be able to watch it on the Telly confused:
 
on the thread on footie

Changed my AV to only the greatest footballer ever to grace this planet.

No arguments please he was
 
Re: on the thread on footie

Gord said:
Changed my AV to only the greatest footballer ever to grace this planet.

No arguments please he was


You are fucking Joking!!!!
 
Re: Re: Re: on the thread on footie

Gord said:


Deadly serious - the man was a genius

Don't worry - I was the one that was Joking - great player - and there have been lots of great Scottish players and it is a shame that your national team is one of the worst ever - England need the rivalry of a good Scottish side.
 
Re: Re: Re: on the thread on footie

Gord said:


Deadly serious - the man was a genius


Genius he may have been but not in the same class as:

Pele
Maradonna
di Stefano
Garrincha
Puskas


And he never suited green and white! Now a nice shade of blue!
 
Many a Salvador Dali slid down my throat on Scotland England match days. I was always there when Scotland was beat. I believe it taught me optimism.

I'm with Bluespoke - even though we was breeded on opposite sides of our own biggotry line. Nothing united the religious divide in Glasgow like the English.

As p_p man hints often enough there is nothing like a good dose of xenophobia to unite the troops, unite a nation.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: on the thread on footie

bluespoke said:



Genius he may have been but not in the same class as:

Pele
Maradonna
di Stefano
Garrincha
Puskas


And he never suited green and white! Now a nice shade of blue!

I almost was going to try and justify why - until the last sentence !! ( who the hell is Garrincha )

So now we have gathered what side of Glasgow you come from we can take most of what you say with a slight pinch of salt
 
jass1960 said:


I couldn't agree more!

Did you see that program on about Hooliganism?

There was a mad jock on it who said that he couldn't abide the image of the friendly Scottish supporters abroad - so he supported the only National Team that a hooligan could - England - it's a mad fucking world:(


Didn't see the program but there are lunatics in every country. He sounded a little madder than most though.
 
freescorfr said:
Many a Salvador Dali slid down my throat on Scotland England match days. I was always there when Scotland was beat. I believe it taught me optimism.

I'm with Bluespoke - even though we was breeded on opposite sides of our own biggotry line. Nothing united the religious divide in Glasgow like the English.

As p_p man hints often enough there is nothing like a good dose of xenophobia to unite the troops, unite a nation.

Hey Freescorfr joins us - now my 3 favourites scots (apart from my grandad - but hes dead, so he don't count) are on the thread!
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: on the thread on footie

Gord said:


I almost was going to try and justify why - until the last sentence !! ( who the hell is Garrincha )

So now we have gathered what side of Glasgow you come from we can take most of what you say with a slight pinch of salt


Who the hell was Garrincha? The little bird. Finest thing you ever saw on the wing of a Brazillian side.

Played in the '58 and '62 finals, died a couple of years ago

I forgot two names on the list, the late great Jim Baxter and the ,sadly now very ill, Jimmy Johnstone.
 
jass1960 said:


Hey Freescorfr joins us - now my 3 favourites scots (apart from my grandad - but hes dead, so he don't count) are on the thread!

So you obviously dont know many Scots !! - but I cant think many would live in Stratford

Talking all this world cup history certainly brings back memories. I remember Argentina 88 with Ally Macleods fucking tartan arny .........man we thought we were going to win the cup we really did then we went and lost to Peru , DREW with IRAN and then went and beat HOLLAND ( remember Archie Gemmels goal)

At least now we recognise that we are shit and dont have have any of these false hopes like actualy winning something
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: on the thread on footie

bluespoke said:



Who the hell was Garrincha? The little bird. Finest thing you ever saw on the wing of a Brazillian side.

Played in the '58 and '62 finals, died a couple of years ago

I forgot two names on the list, the late great Jim Baxter and the ,sadly now very ill, Jimmy Johnstone.

Did they play footie in the 50's ? my memories only really start from 70's I will take your word regarding the Brazilian

Slim Jim now he was class remember seeing footage of him playing keepie up in the corner during a Scotland vrs England match the crowd went daft

Wee " Jinky " he was great but completly off his head. He spent more time in the pub during his career than the cast of coranation dt
 
Gord said:


So you obviously dont know many Scots !! - but I cant think many would live in Stratford

Talking all this world cup history certainly brings back memories. I remember Argentina 88 with Ally Macleods fucking tartan arny .........man we thought we were going to win the cup we really did then we went and lost to Peru , DREW with IRAN and then went and beat HOLLAND ( remember Archie Gemmels goal)

At least now we recognise that we are shit and dont have have any of these false hopes like actualy winning something

I gotta admit that was a funny world cup - Ally had got you all fired up and that bloody song and then you came a cropper - pride comes before a fall!

England on the other hand approach ever competition without any hype!

Btw great goal and one of FIFA's top 7 world cups goals ever!!!
 
Who would form the greatest team made up of current players? a World XI?

I would say....

Toldo
RB(?), Stam, Hyypia, Maldini
Beckham, Zidane, Vieira, Figo
Henry, Totti

perhaps.... ?
 
Thanks for the invite Gord. I was going to say Jimmy Baxter and wee Jimmy Johnstone, Bluespoke.

John Gregg and Billy McNiell, of course.

Let's forget Fallon!
 
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