Workers win and UAW loses

[Dazzle1]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/natio...w-vote-20140214,0,1974254.story#axzz2tNmnHuXi

Workers decided against paying extortion money to the labor mafia. Despite every effort including having the govt and the corrupt NLRB on your side; workers in a VW plant decided they want to keep their salaries for themselves.

Lets see if the UAW will committ to open and free voting in the mid west plants so workers can be right to work

 

[Liar]

Apparently the employer loses too, since they wanted a union.

Because of US law, they can't manage their US plats the way they manage all other plants in the world, unless there's a union on site. Now they have to re-organize and invent a new way to manage the facility to their liking, a costly and annoying endeavor.

Oh well, who cares? It's just a job creator.

No really, I don't care. They'll survive. But it's a funny turn of tables.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Apparently the employer loses too, since they wanted a union.

Because of US law, they can't manage their US plats the way they manage all other plants in the world, unless there's a union on site. Now they have to re-organize and invent a new way to manage the facility to their liking, a costly and annoying endeavor.

Oh well, who cares? It's just a job creator.

No really, I don't care. They'll survive. But it's a funny turn of tables.

Your ignorance is stunning.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Apparently the employer loses too, since they wanted a union.

Because of US law, they can't manage their US plats the way they manage all other plants in the world, unless there's a union on site. Now they have to re-organize and invent a new way to manage the facility to their liking, a costly and annoying endeavor.

Oh well, who cares? It's just a job creator.

No really, I don't care. They'll survive. But it's a funny turn of tables.

According to the article, VW was strictly neutral. There was nothing there about wanting a union so why do you say they wanted one?

 

[Liar]

Your ignorance is stunning.

Your quippance is boring.

 

[Liar]

According to the article, VW was strictly neutral. There was nothing there about wanting a union so why do you say they wanted one?

Their modus operandi are work councils. The way US labor laws are written, such a council can't be created unless the workers are represented by a third party, such as a union. No union is therefore a complication. Not a dealbreaking one, the plant is not new and they already have a wortkaround. But VW is German. They don't like workarounds. It's only the US and China that messes with how they do business. Big Government indeed.

But unlike Tennesee Republicans, they stay out of the decision and remain neutral, cause getting invloved in politics bullshit ain't worth it.

The story here is the GOP cock-blocking the UAW with FUD so they don't have the power to bankroll Dem campaigns.

Personally, I think the pro-or-against unions is a way overblown issue. It's a proxy for partisan nonsens, that is all.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Their modus operandi are work councils. The way US labor laws are written, such a council can't be created unless the workers are represented by a third party, such as a union. No union is therefore a complication. Not a dealbreaking one, the plant is not new and they already have a wortkaround. But VW is German. They don't like workarounds. It's only the US and China that messes with how they do business. Big Government indeed.

But unlike Tennesee Republicans, they stay out of the decision and remain neutral, cause getting invloved in politics bullshit ain't worth it.

The story here is the GOP cock-blocking the UAW with FUD so they don't have the power to bankroll Dem campaigns.

Personally, I think the pro-or-against unions is a way overblown issue. It's a proxy for partisan nonsens, that is all.

VW could sign a hiring hall agreement with the union, idgit.

 

[koalabear]

VW could sign a hiring hall agreement with the union, idgit.

The union is not needed. The Japanese car companies went mainly non-union, the uaw has nothing to offer the workers they don't already get from the companies.

 

[Liar]

VW could sign a hiring hall agreement with the union, idgit.

That would be a... drumroll please... workaround.

The local plant worked fine, the push came from Germany. Because Germans. The UAW jumped on the chance, the GOP couldn't care one way or the other but doesn't want a strong UAW, because that's political bank competition.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I'm disappointed, but the majority has spoken at that plant. Unlike, say, Dazzle1, I'm okay with the concept of "majority rule".

At least the VW plant had the opportunity to vote on a union. I'd like to see Walmart afford their employees a similar opportunity.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The union is not needed. The Japanese car companies went mainly non-union, the uaw has nothing to offer the workers they don't already get from the companies.

Sure. I was a member of two unions and both sucked.

 

[Dazzle1]

I'm disappointed, but the majority has spoken at that plant. Unlike, say, Dazzle1, I'm okay with the concept of "majority rule".

At least the VW plant had the opportunity to vote on a union. I'd like to see Walmart afford their employees a similar opportunity.

And I like to see the current workers in Detroit at the Big Three get to vote union out. Just like I want the right not to hire union for outside contractors.

WIN which is part of the extremist Sound of Dissent was boasting on a prerecorded brodcast how they would win the vote.

BTW Rob the majority does eliminate the rights of the minority as Harry Reid did in the Senate

 

[jeninflorida]

why would anyone want to be in ANY union



the only thing a union does is protect the lazy. by lazy I mean the obama kind

 

[Sean Renaud]

BTW Rob the majority does eliminate the rights of the minority as Harry Reid did in the Senate

That bullshit should never have been allowed to begin with. It's a sad day for American workers but oh well shit happens all the time and when the South REMAINS the poor states in the US because they get shit wages and have no means to pull themselves out of poverty they have nobody to blame but themselves.

But as Rob said the majority spoke and got what it wanted. Sometimes democracy doesn't work out in your favor. It's one of the many downsides to democracy.

 

[Dazzle1]

That bullshit should never have been allowed to begin with. It's a sad day for American workers but oh well shit happens all the time and when the South REMAINS the poor states in the US because they get shit wages and have no means to pull themselves out of poverty they have nobody to blame but themselves.

But as Rob said the majority spoke and got what it wanted. Sometimes democracy doesn't work out in your favor. It's one of the many downsides to democracy.

Which Bullshit that the Union muscled in where they were not wanted in progressive states who have eliminated union extortion

Texas btw is doing far better than California or Illinois which are soaking the public with taxes and NYC under Blasio is going to try the same thing

 

[Liar]

End result is that Tennessee is no more or less unionized than it was before.

So meh.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Which Bullshit that the Union muscled in where they were not wanted in progressive states who have eliminated union extortion

Texas btw is doing far better than California or Illinois which are soaking the public with taxes and NYC under Blasio is going to try the same thing

Texas is not doing far better than California. They aren't even on our level. Call me when they are and then we can discuss the merit of their policies. By all logic they should probably be a larger economy than California but they aren't.

The union did not muscle in where they were not wanted. In Tennessee they were defeated because they weren't wanted and everywhere else they were wanted. Union extortion. I keep forgetting that Conservatives live in a universe where workers are capable of extortion on any level high enough to be impressed. In the end the worker will always lose and the business owner always holds the better hand.

 

[CeasarBoobage]

Good!

Unions had their time in the spotlight. They were FOR the workers' rights. They prevented abuses by the companies, helped establish the work-week as we know it, etc. However they now have flipped the tables. It's now more about the profit of the union as a business first, then the workers. They impede both the business and worker, taking too much money and blocking over-achievers. Good riddance to them.

OK, I'll quit derailing the thread, now back to the auto company and the workers...

 

[Sean Renaud]

We don't have a forty hour work week anymore though. Which can be blamed directly on the decline of the union.

 

[Dazzle1]

We don't have a forty hour work week anymore though. Which can be blamed directly on the decline of the union.

We also starting to hold bad workers accountable well untill the Obama run NLRB decided drinking and taking drugs on the job was fine if you are union.

 

[JohnnySavage]

We also starting to hold bad workers accountable well untill the Obama run NLRB decided drinking and taking drugs on the job was fine if you are union.

Where do you nuts get this stuff???

Obama decided it was ok for union workers to drink and take drugs?

For fuck's sake, just shut up.

 

[jeninflorida]

We don't have a forty hour work week anymore though. Which can be blamed directly on the decline of the union.

derp.

union, wtf?

smart phones .... China ....

 

[jeninflorida]

Where do you nuts get this stuff???

Obama decided it was ok for union workers to drink and take drugs?

For fuck's sake, just shut up.

Pretty much, yes! a union worker CAN pretty much drink on the job with out any issues ....

where the fuck do you get this dream fantasy derp? union workers are like ... carp

 

[Boxlicker101]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/chrysler-workers-drinking_n_2272291.html

 

[Boxlicker101]

Here is something about that:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/chrysler-workers-drinking_n_2272291.html