Words floating in my mind

[tulip2lipservice]

Words.....

 

[lobito]

The Food Network wasn't carrying it, so I didn't see it.

War is gonna happen whether I want it to or not. It's just a matter of time. I have no "real" say so in it. The government can fuck things up for us, as they do quite a lot, and in a few years, someone else will be in office (hopefully) that will have to clean up their mess, it's an endless cycle.

 

[peachykeen]

well the thing is, none of us can see anything at this point with some serious preconcieved notions, you know? So it's hard to view anything objectively. That doesn't mena we shouldn't try though. I mean, if you have already decided befre you watch something that it is 'just propaganda' then it that's what it is; or you can choose to take it at face value and see if it rings true for you.

 

[k¡tty]

I watched bits and pieces of that as well Tulip, while my son was out of the room. He begged me not to keep it on.



Interestingly enough, I found myself doing the same as you were.. looking for faces that I might recognize. Of friends, loved ones.. hoping for that glimpse..

 

[Zmey]

I'm afraid to post since I'm afraid to turn this into a fluff zone and also I'm afraid that my political views may cause some frowns.
I just watched Pearl Harbor the movie and with all the horror that Hollywood is trying to portray 3000 deaths does not come even close to loses in WW2 by European countries. US has never seen war, there are no experience of horror that a real war can bring. Vietnam and all other wars has been fought over seas with no civilian casualties to US. The way I see it waging war in foreign country is offence and not defense there for United States IS the aggressor and I don't like the idea of that. If Bush does not comply with UN that makes him no better then Sadam.

 

[sweet soft kiss]

I'm afraid to post since I'm afraid to turn this into a fluff zone and also I'm afraid that my political views may cause some frowns.
I just watched Pearl Harbor the movie and with all the horror that Hollywood is trying to portray 3000 deaths does not come even close to loses in WW2 by European countries. US has never seen war, there are no experience of horror that a real war can bring. Vietnam and all other wars has been fought over seas with no civilian casualties to US. The way I see it waging war in foreign country is offence and not defense there for United States IS the aggressor and I don't like the idea of that. If Bush does not comply with UN that makes him no better then Sadam.

Don't tell the South that we never had a war here... or Gettyburg Pennsylvannia or York or Terrytown or San Antonio to name a few...Now we haven't been in war in our home for a long time... but collective memory of history still runs deep Zmey...

 

[Zmey]

Don't tell the South that we never had a war here... or Gettyburg Pennsylvannia or York or Terrytown or San Antonio to name a few...Now we haven't been in war in our home for a long time... but collective memory of history still runs deep Zmey...

People do not remember war here. There isn't a single living person that experienced war first hand (civilian) My grandmother was forced to work in mine shafts during Nazi occupation ...She is still alive. My Grandfather fought in WW2 and stomped Germans back to Berlin. There are many people in Europe who lost family members in WW2. They remember real war. Can you say the same for United States?

 

[Guest]

If Bush does not comply with UN that makes him no better then Sadam.

So then the United Nations Security Council is a joke then
if one country is able to, not comply with a ruling against it then other countries may do the same

remember the United Nations Security Council passed 1441, 15-0 so that Saddat Hussian would have to obey the ruling with in a time frame that time frame has passed 26 days ago

and now I will go back to being a fluff

 

[sweet soft kiss]

Well no...

But my Father and Uncles were all in W.W. II and Korea...People all over the U.S. lost sons, husbands and even daughters... my Uncle was seriously wounded on Iwo Jima carrying a wounded buddy, who later died, out to safety... My father worked on a hospital ship in the south pacific... They all have stories that they find hard to tell or remember... another Uncle was one who liberated people from one of the KZ camps... My aunt says he still has nightmares about it...

Which is not my point... to say that war even distant wars does not touch us is not true... the south has suffered an inferior status for over 100 years... only now are they getting free from that.. and I am not saying the suffering in Europe over 2 World Wars is less important... I am saying suffering is suffering..

BTW: I wasn't trying to flame you Zmey... friends?

 

[Zmey]

Sure we friends. I get defensive every time I talk politics... Can't help it

I agree that suffering is suffering but you have to look objectively at the whole picture and tell me who suffered more.

 

[sweet soft kiss]

Sure we friends. I get defensive every time I talk politics... Can't help it

I agree that suffering is suffering but you have to look objectively at the whole picture and tell me who suffered more.

How can I say that?... suffering is a subjective subject... How can it be quantified?

The world has had horrors forever...

If you loved someone who died in a Gulag... is your suffering less or more than someone who lost a loved on in a Nazi concentration camp?

Was the Childrens Crusade more cruel than the Trail of Tears or less?

Are you luckier to be a Catholic in Belfast or a Protestant?

Or a Palestinian or an Israeli?

Yes, we have been lucky here in the U.S. for the last 100 years or so, not to have a war on our soil... But our luck will not hold forever.

 

[Zmey]

You misunderstood me. Not suffering of individual but the number of people who suffered.

 

[sweet soft kiss]

You misunderstood me. Not suffering of individual but the number of people who suffered.

Well if you want to add up how many were affected over the last hundred years I would have to say Europe has certainly sufferred more than the US... but I wouldn't necessarily say the most, because I just don't have hard numbers... It has been brutal in Africa... and what about the havoc that went on in China, Korea, Japan and the Phillipines?

 

[Zmey]

Well if you want to add up how many were affected over the last hundred years I would have to say Europe has certainly sufferred more than the US... but I wouldn't necessarily say the most, because I just don't have hard numbers... It has been brutal in Africa... and what about the havoc that went on in China, Korea, Japan and the Phillipines?

Exactly my point. There are countries that suffered more then anyone Afghanistan for example. In some cases war brings more hate and it is VERY hard to stop fighting ones you start but when it's over people remember pain for generations and do every thing they can to avoid war be it on their own land or anywhere else.

 

[tulip2lipservice]

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