Woo hoo! Join the US military if you want to gun down women, children and babies!

[Le Jacquelope]

Imagine how much of a man you'd feel like if you'd only signed up for the military and been allowed to participate in this one!

<sarcasm off>


http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/new...311_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ-RAID.xml&archived=False

Iraqis say US raid on home killed 11 family members
Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:16 PM GMT15

By Amer Amery

TIKRIT, Iraq (Reuters) - Eleven members of an Iraqi family were killed in a U.S. raid on Wednesday, police and witnesses said. The U.S. military said two women and a child died during the bid to seize an al Qaeda militant from a house.

A senior Iraqi police officer said autopsies on the bodies, which included five children, showed each had been shot in the head. Community leaders said they were outraged at the killings and demanded an explanation from the U.S. military.

Television footage showed the bodies in the Tikrit morgue -- five children, two men and four women. Their wounds were not clear though one infant had a gaping head wound.

A freelance photographer later saw them being buried by weeping men in Ishaqi, the town 100 km (60 miles) north of Baghdad where the raid took place.

The U.S. military said in a statement its troops had attacked a house in Ishaqi early on Wednesday to capture a "foreign fighter facilitator for the al Qaeda in Iraq network".

"Troops were engaged by enemy fire as they approached the building," spokesman Major Tim Keefe said. "Coalition Forces returned fire utilising both air and ground assets.

"There was one enemy killed. Two women and one child were also killed in the firefight. The building ... (was) destroyed."

Keefe said the al Qaeda suspect had been captured and was being questioned.

RUBBLE

Major Ali Ahmed of the Ishaqi police said U.S. forces had landed on the roof of the house in the early hours and shot the 11 occupants, including the five children.

"After they left the house they blew it up," he said.

Another policeman, Colonel Farouq Hussein, said autopsies had been carried out at Tikrit hospital and found "all the victims had gunshot wounds to the head".

The bodies, their hands bound, had been dumped in one room before the house was destroyed, Hussein said. Police had found spent American-issue cartridges in the rubble.

"It's a clear and perfect crime without any doubt," he said.

Police in Salahaddin province, a heartland of the Sunni Arab insurgency and the home region of Saddam Hussein, have frequently criticised U.S. military tactics in the area.

Police officers said the U.S. military had asked for a meeting with local tribal leaders. The Joint Co-ordination Centre in Tikrit which coordinates between U.S. and Iraqi security forces said later the meeting would happen on Friday.

Ishaqi's town administrator, Rasheed Shather, said the town was shocked: "Everyone went to the funeral. We want the Americans to give us an explanation for this horrible crime."

Photographs of the funeral showed men crying as five children, who all looked under the age of five, were wrapped in blankets and then lined up in a row. One man who described himself as a relative said one was just seven months old.

"They killed these innocent children. Are these considered terrorists? Is a seven-month-old child a terrorist?" he said angrily, speaking close to the remains of the house.

Local teacher Faeq Nsaef was also outraged: ""An entire family was killed. It's a barbarian act."

In January a U.S. air strike on a house in Baiji, further north, killed several members of a family. In December U.S. fighter jets dropped two 500-pound bombs on a village, also in the region, killing 10 people. The U.S. military said the people targeted had been suspected of planting roadside bombs.

(Additional reporting by Ghazwan al-Jibouri in Tikrit and Aseel Kami in Baghdad)

 

[fingermagic]

As much fun as this sounds, it is a lot of bullshit.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

So, killing unarmed civilians is part of defending America's freedom?

 

[unregistered]

 

[busybody..]

I dont believe anyone named AMIR, to write a truthful story about the US!

I say it never happened

 

[unregistered]

 

[KRCummings]

"How can you kill women and children?"

"Easy, you just don't lead them as much."

 

[unregistered]

 

[Holy Devil]

Accidents can happen during any conflict. There's no war where no civilians include in the casualties.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

You lefties are forever trying to protray our troops as baby killers, etc. I will be waiting for the investigation results that are sure to come. Our troops commiting a mass murder and then leaving their brass all over the scene.....yeah right. Check the last word in the URL you posted, it probably accurately describes the veracity of this story.

You sound like the fool who said Abu Ghraib was a leftie conspiracy theory.

Oh wait, you probably are that fool...

 

[Le Jacquelope]

And now for a but "Dubya did it!" moment...

This incident is far more likely to be true than the bit about WMD's being stockpiled in Iraq. Funny, how Vetteman probably believes they're still there

 

[woody54]

This incident is far more likely to be true than the bit about WMD's being stockpiled in Iraq. Funny, how Vetteman probably believes they're still there

For a team with draconian rendition and torture policies, why would a little baby killing on the side be seen as a less than wholesome issue when they are only Mussies after all.

The only good Mussie is a dead one, no? I thought that was US policy according to Krauthammer.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

For a team with draconian rendition and torture policies, why would a little baby killing on the side be seen as a less than wholesome issue when they are only Mussies after all.

The only good Mussie is a dead one, no? I thought that was US policy according to Krauthammer.

Krauthammer and the Peenakkers. Now there's a death metal band name if there ever was one.

 

[Peregrinator]

Can I just say that as a member of the US military this thread is insulting?

It's the equivalent of saying, Woohoo, be black and be a carjacker.

LT, you know better. Not all US soldiers are criminals, and most would never even consider such a crime as described here. Please, the broad brush is over the top.

Which of the ones you bought body armor for did this? I'm guessing none; do you think they would enjoy your generalizing them to be murderers?

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Can I just say that as a member of the US military this thread is insulting?

It's the equivalent of saying, Woohoo, be black and be a carjacker.

LT, you know better. Not all US soldiers are criminals, and most would never even consider such a crime as described here. Please, the broad brush is over the top.

Which of the ones you bought body armor for did this? I'm guessing none; do you think they would enjoy your generalizing them to be murderers?

What does it matter? Fine, I'm sorry for pissing on all the troops.

The murderers who did this won't ever be punished. Bush is a God damned war criminal. Take a seat and watch the keyboard troops come by and launch a spirited defense of this slaughter. I can't wait until busybody sees it...

 

[Peregrinator]

What does it matter? Fine, I'm sorry for pissing on all the troops.

Thank you, on behalf of all of us who are not criminals.

The murderers who did this won't ever be punished. Bush is a God damned war criminal. Take a seat and watch the keyboard troops come by and launch a spirited defense of this slaughter. I can't wait until busybody sees it...

We'll see what comes of it.

 

[skeaky]

You are really way out there. I have fun reading your rant, though.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

You are really way out there. I have fun reading your rant, though.

Next time I hope it's your family that the troops gun down. You know, like Randy Weaver's unarmed wife over in Ruby Ridge.

Oh wait, I get it. You're ok with them killing Iraqi babies. It keeps them from killing Americans over here......... like they did the last time a Bush was in office.....

 

[skeaky]

There really is no answer to raving propaganda, wther it is from the right or in your case the left. Reality is a hell of alot closer to the middle.

Do terrible things happen? Yes, they do. They always have. The winners always decide who the war criminals are.

BTW, it makes you look stupid when you pretend you can read everyone else's mind.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

There really is no answer to raving propaganda, wther it is from the right or in your case the left. Reality is a hell of alot closer to the middle.

Do terrible things happen? Yes, they do. They always have. The winners always decide who the war criminals are.

BTW, it makes you look stupid when you pretend you can read everyone else's mind.

Only a right wing nutcase calls what I said raving.

Those murders weren't propaganda you dumb shit. They were US troops massacring unarmed civilians.

What the fuck is your argument here? That they were stopping the murder of 100 troops by an assault baby? Do you realize how jaw droppingly stupid you look like referring to news of women and babies being slaughtered as propaganda?

You stupid bitch. I bet you believe that Iraq was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction, don't you?

 

[Le Jacquelope]

LOL, ladies and genlemen, we've found ourselves another victim from the "any facts that expose Bush as a war criminal are propaganda" crowd.

As the war becomes more and more unpopular and Bush is left begging Americans to see things his way, we can count on more people like skeaky to come out.

The water is rising and the rats are on the move...........

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060321...NmE3fkGw_IE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-

Bush Asks U.S. to Look Past Iraq Bloodshed

By TOM RAUM, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 40 minutes ago

Beginning the fourth year of an unpopular war, President Bush defended his Iraq record on Monday against skeptical questioning. He said he could "understand people being disheartened" but appealed to Americans to look beyond the bloodshed and see signs of progress.

Bush fielded questions for nearly an hour at the City Club, a forum known for its tough interrogations of world leaders. Not only was he grilled on Iraq, but he also was asked to justify his warrantless wiretapping program, U.S. relations with Pakistan and his domestic priorities.

The president was asked why he deemed Iraq — which turned out not to have weapons of mass destruction — as enough of a threat three years ago to launch an invasion, in contrast to nuclear-ambitious Iran today.

"One difference was that, in Iraq, there was a series of unanimous (U.N. Security Council) resolutions that basically held the Iraqi government to account, which Saddam Hussein ignored," Bush said. Still, he said Iran was a concern, on the question of nuclear weapons and on its role in Iraq.

The White House has accused Iran of meddling in Iraqi politics and of supporting armed militias in Iraq by sending men and weapons, including components for increasingly lethal roadside bombs. Iran and the United States have agreed to talk about Iraq, but Bush said, "It's very important, however, for the Iranians to understand that the discussion is limited to Iraq. We feel like they need to know our position."

As the president delivered the latest installment in an upbeat defense of his Iraq policy, opponents used the day after the third anniversary of the invasion to step up their criticism.

Three potential 2008 presidential candidates — Democratic Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson and Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel (news, bio, voting record) of Nebraska — offered critical assessments at the International Association of Firefighters' legislative conference in Washington.

Biden said it was time for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld to "be told to go home" and for Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff "be given his walking papers." Richardson said U.S. involvement in Iraq had been "badly mismanaged by the administration."

Hagel, in an interview at the conference, said many of the predictions and promises made by the administration have fallen short, such as that oil revenues would pay for the war and the conflict would be short. He also pointed to Vice President Dick Cheney's assertion last May that the insurgency was in its "last throes."

"There's been a credibility erosion for three years," Hagel said.

On Capitol Hill, some Democrats said there had been progress in Iraq, as Bush asserted, but they said it was clouded by problems across the country. They said Bush had gone to war without enough troops.

"Some positive signs do not mitigate this administration's gross miscalculations and stunning incompetence in Iraq," said Rep. Steny Hoyer (news, bio, voting record) of Maryland, the No. 2 Democrat in the House.

Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said the "policies of the Bush administration and the civilian leadership of our military have made America less safe and left Iraq on the precipice of all-out civil war."

Bush pointed to success in stabilizing an insurgent stronghold in Tal Afar, a northern Iraqi city of 200,000 near the Syrian border.

"The strategy that worked so well in Tal Afar did not emerge overnight," Bush said. "It took time to understand and adjust to the brutality of the enemy in Iraq."

"The example of Tal Afar gives me confidence in our strategy," the president said.

One woman asked Bush whether he saw terrorism as a sign of the biblical Apocalypse, and a man followed up with how he could restore confidence in U.S. leadership after several reasons for going to war with Iraq later proved false.

"Like you, I mean, I asked that very same question: Where'd we go wrong on intelligence?" Bush said. He said he was working to improve intelligence gathering because "the credibility of our country is essential."

As for the Apocalypse, Bush said, "I haven't really thought of it that way. ... I guess I'm more of a practical fellow."

Bush bantered with the audience at times. And despite the probing questions, he received several rounds of enthusiastic applause.

"Anybody work here in this town?" Bush joked to laughter as he responded to question after question.

The White House made no attempt to screen either the audience or the questions, said spokesman Scott McClellan.

However, much of downtown near the hotel where Bush spoke was barricaded off. About 100 anti-war protesters chanted for the Republican president to leave the heavily Democratic city, held signs with peace messages and banged on drums.

Inside, not all the questions challenged Bush's war rationale.

One member of the audience invited him back for the Cleveland Hungarian Revolution 50th Anniversary next October. Others complimented him on his vision for a nuclear treaty with India and for his "very enlightening" comments about Iraq.

Cheney, attending a political fundraiser in Hanoverton, in northeast Ohio, also defended U.S. involvement in Iraq and said decisions on troop levels would be made without political consideration.

"Our coalition is also helping to build an Iraqi security force that is well trained and well equipped," Cheney said.

 

[skeaky]

Only a right wing nutcase calls what I said raving.

Those murders weren't propaganda you dumb shit. They were US troops massacring unarmed civilians.

What the fuck is your argument here? That they were stopping the murder of 100 troops by an assault baby? Do you realize how jaw droppingly stupid you look like referring to news of women and babies being slaughtered as propaganda?

You stupid bitch. I bet you believe that Iraq was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction, don't you?

Once again proving that the radical left have no aurgument so propaganda and name calling have to do. Being an ignorant left wing radical, you are unable to see that the vast majority of the American public are revolted with your tactics. If you had a coherent aurgument you wouldn't need to resort to foul mouthing your political oponents. Maybe someday, you and the other 12 members of the I hate Bush club will be able to have a civil conversation. Until then the other 250,000,000 of us will chuckle at your stupidity and change the channel.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Once again proving that the radical left have no aurgument so propaganda and name calling have to do. Being an ignorant left wing radical, you are unable to see that the vast majority of the American public are revolted with your tactics. If you had a coherent aurgument you wouldn't need to resort to foul mouthing your political oponents. Maybe someday, you and the other 12 members of the I hate Bush club will be able to have a civil conversation. Until then the other 250,000,000 of us will chuckle at your stupidity and change the channel.

Poor boy. Most Americans now hate Bush. There were 57 million of us in 2004. There's probably TWICE that many now.

Our arguments are coherent and flawless. You have no counter argument. This debate is going to be hopelessly mired in you claiming I'm posting propaganda without having any basis to back yourself up.

I have most of the country behind me. I have documented that flawlessly. That is not something you are going to argue with me. Got that? Good. Now shut up and be a good boy and speak when I tell you to speak, and not before.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

No, really skeaky, shut up.

Whatever you're about to say is dead fucking wrong. Here's why:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060321...NmE3fkGw_IE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-



You will read that article and you will be scared to fucking death of acknowledging it because I have your silly neo con ass locked down. You ain't got shit to say. America sides with me now, and against you. Period.

Game over.

 

[skeaky]

No, really skeaky, shut up.

Whatever you're about to say is dead fucking wrong. Here's why:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060321...NmE3fkGw_IE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-



You will read that article and you will be scared to fucking death of acknowledging it because I have your silly neo con ass locked down. You ain't got shit to say. America sides with me now, and against you. Period.

Game over.

You really are an idiot. WTF do you know about my political affiliations? You'll never impress your position spewing ignorant hatred at your oppenents. Why the hell can't you idiots realize that. And because you people act so irresponsibly, the people who do know how to articulate the message are turned off by the majority. You know, there are spectrums in politics. Do you get that. Not everyone who isn't YOU qualifies as a "neo-con". For crying out loud, grow up.

Go get laid. You've become to friendly with your hands.