Women - what if your SO came on your face while you were sleep?

[Tooch McGroin]

Sometimes, the only thing that works for the Hanns-types is using the ignore function. But of course, Hanns is simply fun to fuck with on occasion, which is the category this character is placing himself in...someone who won't be taken seriously, only used as target practice on bad days...just like Hanns.

This is hilarious. Anyone reading through the thread can see that the insults began when you, sheath, got bent out of shape after I suggested that perhaps the only cum facials you've ever had were the jerky, humiliating kind. I must have touched a nerve there.

I didn't place myself in the Hanns category, but in your tiny mind I am there. If you try to use me for target practice, you will miss every time. And you may run the risk of becoming someone's online punching bag.

 

[Alyx]

I must be missing something. Italian Goddess said that Bobmi started the “patronizing acts” in this thread. Now, I’ve read the thread (why, I’m not sure, since it seems to have dropped to the level of “My opinion means more than your opinion”), and I can’t find this anywhere. What I did find was this:

Tooch Said:

Perhap you, and and a few others like yourself on this thread, find this idea so objectionable for other reasons. For instance, maybe your lover isn't suave or sexy but sort of a jerk, or maybe you're a male-hating dyke, or maybe you're a domineering type who resents any man playing around with you.

That's on page 3.

The best part of being fake-ignored is watching the idiots try to comment on what you say while pretending to ignore you. It gets tricky, I know.

That's on page 4.

I guess I missed the part where Bobmi started the “patronizing acts”.


While this whole thread has fallen to the level of the GB, and I’m sure Kardon is getting his kicks out of watching it happen, what I don’t understand is WHY it’s happening. So someone doesn’t agree with your opinion. So they dislike the violent way in which you stated your opinion. Who cares? Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and they’re not always pretty. You’re certainly not going to change that by throwing around insults. What you ARE doing is feeding a troll, maybe a few of them. As long as you keep doing so, there will be more posts like this one on the How-To. If that’s the case, we might as well change the name of the forum to “GB2”.

 

[Meat Whistler]

I must be missing something. Italian Goddess said that Bobmi started the “patronizing acts” in this thread. Now, I’ve read the thread (why, I’m not sure, since it seems to have dropped to the level of “My opinion means more than your opinion”), and I can’t find this anywhere. What I did find was this:

-snip-

I guess I missed the part where Bobmi started the “patronizing acts”.

While this whole thread has fallen to the level of the GB, and I’m sure Kardon is getting his kicks out of watching it happen, what I don’t understand is WHY it’s happening. So someone doesn’t agree with your opinion. So they dislike the violent way in which you stated your opinion. Who cares? Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and they’re not always pretty. You’re certainly not going to change that by throwing around insults. What you ARE doing is feeding a troll, maybe a few of them. As long as you keep doing so, there will be more posts like this one on the How-To. If that’s the case, we might as well change the name of the forum to “GB2”.

I don't consider what Tooch said to be insulting - he was commenting on the potential reasons as to why one wouldn't like surprise cum facials. It wasn't patronizing.

However, Bobmi ended up utilizing large fonts and other comments (indicating someone's lack of intelligence and Bobmi's superiority), which were patronizing.

I've not seen you around these parts before; however, if you've lurked for any amount of time, you'll know that I actually like Bobmi and Sheath and others. However, I happen to disagree with them in this case. It isn't a matter of my opinion being better than their opinion; it's a matter of my opinion being different.

I don't think I've insulted one person in any of my posts. Please correct me if I'm wrong. If you've read any of my posts on this issue, you'll see me stating that I can simply "agree to disagree" or that I am not trying to change another's opinion to mine. I don't see any indication of me wanting anyone to agree with me; I'm simply explaining my reasons for disagreeing.

Furthermore, I'm not feeding a troll, as I don't consider Tooch a troll. I consider him a person with an opinion (and yes, they are like assholes); however, he has the freedom to express his opinion, as you have the freedom to not agree and/or not view it.

 

[Alyx]

Italian Goddess, I think we have our wires crossed. I wasn’t trying to dun you, or anything you said. As I said, I guess I missed the part where Bobmi started the patronizing acts.

However, saying that women must be “male-hating dykes” if they don’t enjoy their SO’s coming on their faces CAN be construed as an insult, and a patronizing one at that, by some people. I personally find it so, but saw no reason at the time to comment on it, as he’s welcome to his opinion. Just as you took the comments about a woman cutting off her man’s balls seriously, when many others didn’t. This sort of communication (message boards) is ripe with opportunities for misunderstandings. We’ve seen a lot of that in this thread alone I think.

As for the troll comments, I wasn’t saying Tooch was a troll. It seems I wasn’t clear enough in my post. Sorry about that. He’s welcome to his opinion, as is everyone who participates on these boards. Whether I agree with his opinion or not makes no difference. Kardon is the troll. And there may be others out there as well who are being fed on this sort of behavior. All they have to do is read this thread to know that trolldom DOES work.

I’ve been around, but don’t post often, as I don’t have the time. By the time I read a post, my opinion has already been stated (and usually more clearly than I could have done!). I personally see no purpose in “Me Too!” posts, other than to increase one’s post count or clutter up the board. I have, however, seen a number of your posts and you’ve always been polite in them.

I think the “crossed wires” came in when I didn’t specify that the rest of my post was not meant for you alone. The first half of my post was meant for you. And I think we’ll have to “agree to disagree” on who started what with whom. It all comes down to what an individual finds patronizing and I think we disagree on that. That’s okay. Diversity makes the world go round. However, the rest of my post was for everyone.

Arguing, insulting, and the miscommunications in this thread are simply feeding the known troll, and possibly the unknown trolls. We’re not going to get anywhere with this. What we may do, however, is increase the number of trolls we already have posting here. If that happens, this may very well become like the GB, and I don’t think any of us want that.

 

[sweetnpetite]

I I really think assault is a poor term to use when speaking about a facial cum while sleeping. I can't imagine it ever being seen as violent by anyone, much less myself.

You can't *imagine* it being seen as violent by *anyone*? Then you haven't been paying attention. Because many of us have said that we do see it as violent. And those who haven't, but said that they would respond with violence, probably thought that it would go without saying.

Just for the record, an unwanted pat on the but, (while you may not see it as harmful in anyway) is considered sexual harasment and possibly assult. Maybe a woman wouldn't get off for killing a husband or lover who did this, *but* and it's a big but, she *would* have legal grounds for civil and criminal charges.

 

[sweetnpetite]

Ok, so then lets see. Suppose some guy came up and carresed your crotch? No harm done right?

Suppose you were passed out at a party and some guy came on your face? NO harm done right?

You would just wipe it off and go on your way?

I was on my way to bed but this was too much fun of a read to pass by.

3. harm done by violating rights, etc.

That is quite a stretch. The harm you are referring to is...facial pore damage? You are assuming she is sleeping with some overnight pore cleansing compound that reacts violently with semen? Or perhaps some night time hair care product with similar properties?

Or maybe you are referring to emotional harm? Do you mean like when I was a kid and another kid said, "Your mom wears combat boots!" and my response was to push him down in the dirt and punch him in the solar plexus? I suppose if you apply a fifth grade mentality to this dilemna that would make sense. (Just for the record, my mom didn't wear combat boots) Wouldn't it be a great world if we could lash out physically at everything that remotely rubs us the wrong way emotionally?

Sexual Assault????

PPSSSHHHAAAWWWW.

And Bob, you big cheater. You are tossing all the "maybe you should talk about it first crowd" and the "I won't even let him do that to me when I'm awake crowd" in with the "castration, maiming and killing crowd" to try and swell your numbers and create a majority for your protectorate. The first group are a coin flip and if kardon or whatever his name is is referring to someone in the second group I have to assume he wouldn't have needed to ask.

Tooch I am sorry to hear that you will be ignored by everyone else on this board forever. You seem to have made some great points and showed some true perceptive ability. I am as surprised as the next guy that with all the people on here, all you have to do is piss off one or two people and nobody will read your posts ever again. Weird how much inflammatory language came your way after "everyone" ignored you and "noone" will ever take you seriously again but I guess some of "them" had not decoded their secret orders yet. Alas, maybe we can pal around when we both get banished to the general boards.

And Italian Goddess, very sexy, very sexy indeed.

Having thrown my two cents, drifting off to slumberland, dreaming of waking to a warm pussy gushing on my face as I rise.
I think I am going to put a towel next to the bed. Just in case.

 

[sweetnpetite]

My ex would use a plethera of excuses as to why he had to put the fists to me. It was always about something I said or did that would threaten his manhood. I really see no justification for being punched, because something I may have said or did caused an emotionally unhealthy person distress. If I ran around physically attacking people that emotionally harmed me, I would be in prison by now.

I do see your point about making excuses for hitting someone- and I can see were you are coming from. However-

Cumming on someone is not only an emotional attack. It *is* assult (acually, battery if you make contact). Throwing a bucket of water on someone could legally be considered asault. Not only that, but bodily fluids can contain disease and harmful substances. So it's ignorant to assume that no harm could ever come from jizzing on someone's face. Also, people can be allergic or have a bad reaction.

The fact is under current law, it could be prosecuted as an assult, although not a sexual assult, because it doesn't involve a "sexual organ" REgardless, it does meet the legal standard for assult. Would you say that a rape that did not result in a woman being torn or injered, that she only had her 'feelings hurt?'

PHysically puting something unwanted on a person --especially when they are alseep-- is a physical attack. Although they haven't touched you with their own body, niether has a person who has raped another with a broom handle. When they put something on your physical body, they have taken this out of the realm of emotions only and made it a physical matter, and a physical attack.

 

[andystx]

I do see your point about making excuses for hitting someone- and I can see were you are coming from. However-

Cumming on someone is not only an emotional attack. It *is* assult (acually, battery if you make contact). Throwing a bucket of water on someone could legally be considered asault. Not only that, but bodily fluids can contain disease and harmful substances. So it's ignorant to assume that no harm could ever come from jizzing on someone's face. Also, people can be allergic or have a bad reaction.

The fact is under current law, it could be prosecuted as an assult, although not a sexual assult, because it doesn't involve a "sexual organ" REgardless, it does meet the legal standard for assult. Would you say that a rape that did not result in a woman being torn or injered, that she only had her 'feelings hurt?'

PHysically puting something unwanted on a person --especially when they are alseep-- is a physical attack. Although they haven't touched you with their own body, niether has a person who has raped another with a broom handle. When they put something on your physical body, they have taken this out of the realm of emotions only and made it a physical matter, and a physical attack.

 

[andystx]

If I put a chunk of time into it, spent hours and days in front of the computer and the television, interviewed people, done various statistical analyses, taken polls and conducted surveys, I'm just not sure I could have come up with a more convincing argument for why shows like The People's Court, Court TV, and the ultimate, Judge Judy are an overall detriment to American society. Many thanks to sweetnpetite for summing it up in just a few short paragraphs.

 

[sweetnpetite]

sarcasm alert!

Threatening to cut off a man’s cock for the offense of jizzing on your face is extreme, stupid, bitchy and possibly psychotic.

THanks for the help with our defense case! We'll just plead 'not guilty by reason of insanity'

And you thought we couldn't get off!

If your reaction to a surprise facial from your husband is an act extreme violence, such as cutting off his penis or killing him, then you might need a long stay in a mental hospital.

That's funny! I supose rape is also suprise sex?

And before you say we are talking about a husband or lover- you do know that there is such a thing as marital rape right? Being married dosn't give you permanant all time rights to her body.

 

[Meat Whistler]

You can't *imagine* it being seen as violent by *anyone*? Then you haven't been paying attention. Because many of us have said that we do see it as violent. And those who haven't, but said that they would respond with violence, probably thought that it would go without saying.

Just for the record, an unwanted pat on the but, (while you may not see it as harmful in anyway) is considered sexual harasment and possibly assult. Maybe a woman wouldn't get off for killing a husband or lover who did this, *but* and it's a big but, she *would* have legal grounds for civil and criminal charges.

As I said, I still can't imagine that any person could see it as violent. I'm shocked that women could see their lover jizzing on their face while they sleep as violent. I won't ever understand that, nor can I even fathom that concept. Furthermore, I am horrified that someone would suggest killings, beatings, and other physical assaults for such a silly thing.

I appreciate you going on the record and letting me know about sexual harassment. It's quite different when it's your lover or I hope you see it that way anyway. Otherwise, we are turning it into a society where every woman is a victim and every husband must ask his wife if he can touch her. No thank you.

 

[Meat Whistler]

Re: sarcasm alert!

THanks for the help with our defense case! We'll just plead 'not guilty by reason of insanity'

And you thought we couldn't get off!




That's funny! I supose rape is also suprise sex?

And before you say we are talking about a husband or lover- you do know that there is such a thing as marital rape right? Being married dosn't give you permanant all time rights to her body.

Tell me you aren't serious. Please. Surprise facials and rape as one in the same? Tooch wasn't suggesting that at all. You're taking that way too far to even suggest that they would be similar.

 

[sweetnpetite]

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As I said, I still can't imagine that any person could see it as violent. I'm shocked that women could see their lover jizzing on their face while they sleep as violent. I won't ever understand that, nor can I even fathom that concept. Furthermore, I am horrified that someone would suggest killings, beatings, and other physical assaults for such a silly thing.

I appreciate you going on the record and letting me know about sexual harassment. It's quite different when it's your lover or I hope you see it that way anyway. Otherwise, we are turning it into a society where every woman is a victim and every husband must ask his wife if he can touch her. No thank you.

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Tell me you aren't serious. Please. Surprise facials and rape as one in the same? Tooch wasn't suggesting that at all. You're taking that way too far to even suggest that they would be similar.

You are missing the point entirely.

When someone assaults you (sexually or otherwise) they cease to be your 'lover' Starting out as a lover does not give you the go ahead to do things like 'suprising' your spouse with sex or any type of sexual act.

Rape is sexual assult. Jizing on an unwilling partner in her sleep is sexual assault. So yes, they are one and the same. If she is a willing partner it is not assult. If she willingly fucks you, it is not rape. Consent is the key here. YOur husband does not have to ask to touch you, however if you he does not have the right to fuck you in your sleep, or keep grabbing your tits in public when you have asked him to stop, your push you down and have sex wih you despite the fact that you don't want it.

A husband does not have 'all rights' to his wives body- at least not here in the US. He doesn't have to ask every time he touches her, no- but there are still boundaries. A woman has a right to say no to any sexual act. (and having cum sprayed in your face is a sexual act) By performing it on her without prior concent while she is sleeping, you are taking away her right to say no.

Women are victimised when men are allowed to do whatever they want to a wife or lover and she is told that her feelings don't matter, that she should 'lighten up' and that his unwanted advances or sexual acts are 'loving suprise sex' or 'just kinky fun'

Sex performed on you that you do not wish to be a part of is not fun, it is not kinky, and it is not loving. It is rape.

Just because you are dating or married to a guy does not mean that you want, or have to want or even should want every sexual advance, or that you must let him use as a cum rag is he sees fit. It's not sexual assult when my husband/boyfriend touches me, however if I ask him to stop, it could quickly become sexual assult.

Attempting to innitiate sex by squeezing my butt is a long way from 'finishing' on her face while she is unconscous.

ANd I will repeat:

Sex performed on you that you do not wish to be a part of is not fun, it is not kinky, and it is not loving. It is rape.

 

[Tooch McGroin]

Re: sarcasm alert!

Ok, so then lets see. Suppose some guy came up and carresed your crotch? No harm done right?

Suppose you were passed out at a party and some guy came on your face? NO harm done right?

You would just wipe it off and go on your way?

We're not talking about a stranger grabbing your crotch. We are talking about your SO, sleeping beside you. In normal marriages, spouses often touch each other, while sleeping, without any formal consent given. When I am sleeping and my girlfriend reaches her hand into my briefs, strokes me, or starts to suck my cock, I'm don't cry assault. When I touch her in a similar fashion, she doesn't cry assault.

That's funny! I supose rape is also suprise sex?

And before you say we are talking about a husband or lover- you do know that there is such a thing as marital rape right? Being married dosn't give you permanant all time rights to her body.

Yes, I know what marital rape is. If my wife and I were quarreling, not sleeping in the same bed and not having sex because my wife refused such, and then I forced myself on her, overpowered her, beat her and fucked her, that would be rape and I would expect her to press charges.

I'm starting to think that all the hostile women who think that violence is an appropriate response to a surprise cum facial don't really understand what it's like to be in love and have a significant other. Or maybe they see their SO's as just some co-habitating creep, ranked on par with any stranger walking down the street -- or lower. When I use the term SIGNIFICANT OTHER, I mean the woman that I love. The woman who says my penis belongs to her, to do with as she wishes. The woman who is always grabbing my ass and crotch. The woman who wakes me up with my cock in her mouth.

Seriously, you silly bitches need to wake up and realize that you're crying rape over nothing. Please stop cheapening our judicial system and making a mockery of REAL RAPES by screaming ASSAULT for every unwanted finger-touch from your "lovers".

 

[Meat Whistler]

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You are missing the point entirely.

When someone assaults you (sexually or otherwise) they cease to be your 'lover' Starting out as a lover does not give you the go ahead to do things like 'suprising' your spouse with sex or any type of sexual act. Rape is sexual assult. Jizing on an unwilling partner in her sleep is sexual assault. So yes, they are one and the same. If she is a willing partner it is not assult. If she willingly fucks you, it is not rape. Consent is the key here. YOur husband does not have to ask to touch you, however if you he does not have the right to fuck you in your sleep, or keep grabbing your tits in public when you have asked him to stop, your push you down and have sex wih you despite the fact that you don't want it.

I'm not missing your point. You aren't understanding how I can't even fathom jizzing on a lover's face as assult or violence. I am unable to imagine how this would turn into sexual assault if it were a lover. End of story.

Furthermore, this original question was about him doing it to his girlfriend. He didn't indicate that she told him ahead of time not to do it. It's called experimentation.

A husband does not have 'all rights' to his wives body- at least not here in the US. He doesn't have to ask every time he touches her, no- but there are still boundaries. A woman has a right to say no to any sexual act. (and having cum sprayed in your face is a sexual act) By performing it on her without prior concent while she is sleeping, you are taking away her right to say no.

It may be that way in your marriage, but I wouldn't marry a man that I didn't trust to know me well enough to know my boundaries. Again, the original inquiry did not mention that his girlfriend objected to this. That would require him to ask her and then go on with this act accordingly (depending upon how she responded). I think it's fair for him to try it out and see if she enjoys it. Furthermore, I think it's terrible that a husband (as stated in your response) would have to ask his wife if it's okay to fuck her. I would never enter a marriage even remotely similar to that.

Women are victimised when men are allowed to do whatever they want to a wife or lover and she is told that her feelings don't matter, that she should 'lighten up' and that his unwanted advances or sexual acts are 'loving suprise sex' or 'just kinky fun'

I don't disagree. That wasn't the case in the original inquiry.

Sex performed on you that you do not wish to be a part of is not fun, it is not kinky, and it is not loving. It is rape. -snip-

I disagree. One should say "no" to indicate a lack of wish or interest. It isn't the job of a man to read a mind.

 

[SweetBlindness]

Re: sarcasm alert!

THanks for the help with our defense case! We'll just plead 'not guilty by reason of insanity'

And you thought we couldn't get off!

That's funny! I supose rape is also suprise sex?

And before you say we are talking about a husband or lover- you do know that there is such a thing as marital rape right? Being married dosn't give you permanant all time rights to her body.

I don't know how to quote things from more than one post, but I have been following the thread.

My thoughts, if they make any difference:

I consider cumming on someone's face while sleeping to be very juvenile, period... unless you know that it's ok with the other person involved beforehand. If not, it's a self-centered, childish act. Come to think of it, if you have someone in bed with you, why are you jacking off on her face in the first place? Because you didn't get your rocks off the night before, and you're going to make damn sure that you do before she leaves? That's a sad thought.

Sweetnpetite, it never even crossed my mind that this act might expose a partner or casual acquaintance to the AIDS virus through a facial abrasion, cold sore or even a pimple that may have been scratched slightly. That's very important for everyone to know, thank you for sharing it.

I think we have the porn industry to thank for the fact that so many men think spraying cum all over women is something that we all want and love. I had a very good friend send me a picture of a chick that was given a cum facial, recently. I didn't have the heart to tell him that I thought it was gross. Please, don't believe everything you see in porn pics. That's as dumb as thinking that every woman on this earth is a butt slut, or loves having her mouth fucked hard. We are all individuals with different wants and needs. When you assume that we are all the same, you're going to be disappointed. Ever heard of the concept of communication?

I'm not saying that some women don't enjoy different lifestyles or sexual acts. I'm saying that you should talk about things first, and have respect for any differences that may exist. And, those that voice an enjoyment for nonconsentual acts need to be ready to assume the risks that they take.

 

[Hexxed]

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You are missing the point entirely.


Rape is sexual assult. Jizing on an unwilling partner in her sleep is sexual assault.

Ahh, definitions and their variances from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Of course I could rant a bit on how the definition of rape has been watered down a lot over the years. There is no real solid definition of rape anymore. The word is grossly misused these days IMHO.

"Sexual Assault" isn't always rape but rape always is "sexual assault"? To me, rape involves forced intercourse (anal or vaginal) and is generally a power thing. I thought legally, sexual assault meant non pentration type acts. Jizzing on your SO's face unwanted is NOT rape to me. Unloving, childish, unethical, etc. yes, not rape.

Anyway, while joking about "pulling a bobbit" can be amusing in the right context. Advocating violence to such a degree as death or maiming someone is just wrong. A gross overreaction. A man most likely would not get off on "temporary insanity" in something like that. Neither should a woman.

 

[warrior queen]

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... communication?

there's that lovely word again!

 

[sweetnpetite]

Re: Re: sarcasm alert!

We're not talking about a stranger grabbing your crotch. We are talking about your SO, sleeping beside you. In normal marriages, spouses often touch each other, while sleeping, without any formal consent given. When I am sleeping and my girlfriend reaches her hand into my briefs, strokes me, or starts to suck my cock, I'm don't cry assault. When I touch her in a similar fashion, she doesn't cry assault.

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The point I was making goes directly to the assertation made by you and others that 'it's just a little cum, wipe it off, no harm done' It has *nothing* to do with whether or not you love the other person, or are in a relationship (as I have aready established that being in a relationship does not give a partner carte blanche to force a sexual desire or fetish onto the other) it goes to the idea that no harm was done because cum can't hurt you unless you let it.

So just for the sake of argument- if a guy carressed your crotch as you walked past him- although you sustain no physical injury of any kind, and no violence has been percieved- would you as a straight man react with violence? Or would you simply walk on as no harm has been done and no injury incured?

 

[sweetnpetite]

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I'm not missing your point. You aren't understanding how I can't even fathom jizzing on a lover's face as assult or violence. I am unable to imagine how this would turn into sexual assault if it were a lover. End of story.

Out of curiosity, I wonder just what you would be able to fathom as a violent assult against a woman Ms. 'make me bleed daddy.'

It may be that way in your marriage, but I wouldn't marry a man that I didn't trust to know me well enough to know my boundaries.

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I disagree. One should say "no" to indicate a lack of wish or interest. It isn't the job of a man to read a mind.

These two statements seem to contradict one another. In any event, if a man can't read minds then he probably shouldn't try 'experimenting' on a sleeping partner without discussing it with her first.

Lastly, one *would* say no if one were given an oportunity, but one has no oportunity to object when one is sleeping. *Many* women object very strongly to there husband having sex with them while they are sleeping- not just tight, frigid uptight ones, but generally normal ones.

Also, I'd like to point out that this was posted on the how to forum, not the BDSM forum. Without it having been stated otherwise, we should assume that the people involved are 'vanilla' not bdsmers, and just because the man may be kinky (or whatever you want to call it) doesn't mean for a second that she is.

 

[andystx]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: sarcasm alert!

Out of curiosity, I wonder just what you would be able to fathom as a violent assult against a woman Ms. 'make me bleed daddy.'




These two statements seem to contradict one another. In any event, if a man can't read minds then he probably shouldn't try 'experimenting' on a sleeping partner without discussing it with her first.

Lastly, one *would* say no if one were given an oportunity, but one has no oportunity to object when one is sleeping. *Many* women object very strongly to there husband having sex with them while they are sleeping- not just tight, frigid uptight ones, but generally normal ones.

Also, I'd like to point out that this was posted on the how to forum, not the BDSM forum. Without it having been stated otherwise, we should assume that the people involved are 'vanilla' not bdsmers, and just because the man may be kinky (or whatever you want to call it) doesn't mean for a second that she is.

That explains a lot. Assume whatever you wish, and build a long winded but mainly senseless argument based on YOUR assumptions. Pavlov would be proud. A bell was not actually struck so you just created your own.

 

[sweetnpetite]

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That explains a lot. Assume whatever you wish, and build a long winded but mainly senseless argument based on YOUR assumptions. Pavlov would be proud. A bell was not actually struck so you just created your own.

no, others are assuming that he/they *are* into anything and everything, when it was never stated. Assuming that they are vanilla is really NOT assuming anything in particular about there sex life.

But whatever.

 

[Meat Whistler]

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Out of curiosity, I wonder just what you would be able to fathom as a violent assult against a woman Ms. 'make me bleed daddy.'

Am I to assume that you are Fiona Apple by your AV? If you actually read my original position on this, you'll see that I consider women who speak violently toward men violent. Enough said.

These two statements seem to contradict one another. In any event, if a man can't read minds then he probably shouldn't try 'experimenting' on a sleeping partner without discussing it with her first.

Your poor SO. You actually expect him to read your mind?

Lastly, one *would* say no if one were given an oportunity, but one has no oportunity to object when one is sleeping. *Many* women object very strongly to there husband having sex with them while they are sleeping- not just tight, frigid uptight ones, but generally normal ones.

Also, I'd like to point out that this was posted on the how to forum, not the BDSM forum. Without it having been stated otherwise, we should assume that the people involved are 'vanilla' not bdsmers, and just because the man may be kinky (or whatever you want to call it) doesn't mean for a second that she is.

I don't make as many assumptions as you. I don't care what forum it was posted to, nor what type of fuckers we have on the board. The original inquiry was seemingly light enough and innocent enough a question. It doesn't deserve violent responses from women.

 

[Tooch McGroin]

Re: Re: Re: sarcasm alert!

The point I was making goes directly to the assertation made by you and others that 'it's just a little cum, wipe it off, no harm done' It has *nothing* to do with whether or not you love the other person, or are in a relationship (as I have aready established that being in a relationship does not give a partner carte blanche to force a sexual desire or fetish onto the other) it goes to the idea that no harm was done because cum can't hurt you unless you let it.

I never said "no harm done." I believe I said there were many possible scenarios in which this "surprise cum facial" behavior would be acceptable. Others said this was sort of cute and playful. Others said it was juvenile, selfish, demeaning, humiliating. I can see every side. But I can't see it as anything that justifies all of this hostility. Unless perhaps you're a deeply closeted male-hating sort of lesbian, and possibly psychotic, why would you react violently to this?

So just for the sake of argument- if a guy carressed your crotch as you walked past him- although you sustain no physical injury of any kind, and no violence has been percieved- would you as a straight man react with violence? Or would you simply walk on as no harm has been done and no injury incured?

Once again, your example doesn't apply. A stranger grabs my crotch as I walk by? This is not a SIGNIFCANT OTHER - a person you like/love, trust, and possibly cohabitate with. I agree with Italian Goddess that one's SO generally knows your boundaries.

However, let's see if we can make your argument work by modifying it to my best male friend. In this scenario, my buddy MIKE gently grabs my crotch. I say, "Whoa there, pal. Explain yourself." Note that I do not punch him. I do not cut off his balls. I do not kill him. This is my best friend, afterall. I might be shocked that he's turned gay, and I might be weirded-out by his pass at me, but he's given me no reason to be violent.

 

[sweetnpetite]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: sarcasm alert!

Am I to assume that you are Fiona Apple by your AV? If you actually read my original position on this, you'll see that I consider women who speak violently toward men violent. Enough said.



no, but you could assume that I've been 'a bad bad girl'- you'd just have to decide how the word bad was meant of course.

Your poor SO. You actually expect him to read your mind?

that wasn't at all what I said.

I don't make as many assumptions as you. I don't care what forum it was posted to, nor what type of fuckers we have on the board. The original inquiry was seemingly light enough and innocent enough a question. It doesn't deserve violent responses from women.

Hmm. I think I see what you are saying. However, for me, being woken up suddenly by anyone in any kind of rude or even 'playful' way is likely to be responded to in a violent way. Some of us take our sleep very seriously!

If for example, my SO woke me up by tickling me under my nose, I am going to wake up very suddenly and I am going to be very irritated and only half awake. At the very least I am going to try to swat him away. I think it's actually happened a time or two.

If you pour some kind of liquid on me while I'm sleeping, I'm going to wake up pissed. Fight or flight- not rational thought. (sp???!)

Not that I'm saying it's ok to sucker punch a guy for playing a trick on you, or anything else (Hey, was the original post on April 1st by any chance???) BUT most of us were trying to let this guy know that he should expect that a person woken so rudely out of a dead sleep might be extremely likely to react violently. And after having time to figure out what had happened, they might not consider it 'fun and loving' but a violation or assault. Although others may not see how this is possible, it is possible none the less, as evidenced by the fact that at least a few people saw it that way. I don't think the intent was to condone the action so much as to warn the man. Since he has no way of telling how she would respond, he is taking a huge risk.


He hasn't responded since the innitial post, so either it was an April Fools joke, or a Troll post, or he tried it and she didn't agree that violence wasn't called for.