Women: Our Own Worst Enemies
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Not going there. Nope - not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent.
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In peer groups, women fight amongst themselves for the attention of males........
actually i'm fighting for the attention of the women....but they are too busy scratching each others eyes out for men
but you are all to correct lavender, and unfortunately it only gets worse as women climb the ladder of success.....
actually i'm fighting for the attention of the women....but they are too busy scratching each others eyes out for men
but you are all to correct lavender, and unfortunately it only gets worse as women climb the ladder of success.....
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Shit!
Just saw that post after mine went up. The gentleman from Georgia knows wherof he speaketh.miles said:
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Amen. And it's a real shame.
I don't know why it is, but men who have a problem with me will tell me so, while many women will make nice to my face, then turn around and do weirdness behind my back. I mean, fuck - you don't like me? Fine. Why the subterfuge? When I don't like someone and I don't have to deal with them, then I don't deal with them. If I do, then I am polite to them, but I don't gush and fawn over them like we're best friends, then turn around and talk shit non-stop to everyone I know. (Maybe a little to Manu, but then I'm over it. )
It happens in real life and on the Net - to me and to other chicks I talk to. (Oddly enough - and I'll probably get hammered for saying this - the worst offenders are often women who talk big about "women's rights" and "women's issues". The women I know who actually DO promote women's issues tend to not run off at the mouth about it, and tend NOT to engage in catty bitchery. They actually HELP other women. Crazy, but true.)
Not all women are like this, and there are catty, bitchy men too. But it happens often enough to make me wonder why we do it. I was raised in a single parent home by my dad, so I've never really related to other women very well. I deal with them the same way I deal with guys, and thus my girlfriends generally end up being casual and mellow, kinda tomboyish. But when I get into a situation (as I do sometimes when I'm courting a client or whatever) where I'm in a roomful of professional women all fawning over each other's hair & make-up, then turning around and making cutting comments about each other for no really good reason, I want to go find a Denny's and hang out with my friends. Why can't we all just be friendly, or not? Why the weird catty crap? I don't get it.
I don't know why it is, but men who have a problem with me will tell me so, while many women will make nice to my face, then turn around and do weirdness behind my back. I mean, fuck - you don't like me? Fine. Why the subterfuge? When I don't like someone and I don't have to deal with them, then I don't deal with them. If I do, then I am polite to them, but I don't gush and fawn over them like we're best friends, then turn around and talk shit non-stop to everyone I know. (Maybe a little to Manu, but then I'm over it.
)It happens in real life and on the Net - to me and to other chicks I talk to. (Oddly enough - and I'll probably get hammered for saying this - the worst offenders are often women who talk big about "women's rights" and "women's issues". The women I know who actually DO promote women's issues tend to not run off at the mouth about it, and tend NOT to engage in catty bitchery. They actually HELP other women. Crazy, but true.)
Not all women are like this, and there are catty, bitchy men too. But it happens often enough to make me wonder why we do it. I was raised in a single parent home by my dad, so I've never really related to other women very well. I deal with them the same way I deal with guys, and thus my girlfriends generally end up being casual and mellow, kinda tomboyish. But when I get into a situation (as I do sometimes when I'm courting a client or whatever) where I'm in a roomful of professional women all fawning over each other's hair & make-up, then turning around and making cutting comments about each other for no really good reason, I want to go find a Denny's and hang out with my friends. Why can't we all just be friendly, or not? Why the weird catty crap? I don't get it.
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Laurel said:
Perhaps if we just got rid of all the cats...
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Ahhhh. What the hell.
I've been in HR for a long time and seen lots of different managers and employees, and had to play referee many times. The number of complaints I've heard about male supervisors from their employees doesn't even come close to the complaints about female supervisors. The situation is worse when the employee and manager are women. It's been my experience that the mistrust and suspicion between women in the workplace gets worse as they move higher up the food chain. At one time I thought it was because they felt like they had to be twice as good as their male counterparts in order to get noticed, but in a company where all my bosses were women, it wasn't any different. It's an unspoken taboo, but generally speaking men and women would rather work for a male supervisor.
Women manage differently from men. They are much more detail-oriented and don't like starting projects until all the i's are dotted and the t's crossed. They are more likely to micro=manage. Men look at the big picture and tend to throw it up against the wall to see if it sticks. They want to be liked by their employees and too often under-manage.
A few years ago I was interviewing candidates for a sales management position. The decision makers were my female boss (a VP) and her male boss (the prez).
The most qualified person was a woman who had great industry experience and was a perfect fit. Before making her an offer I met with my bosses to discuss her comp package. The VP said she was having second thoughts and wasn't sure if hiring her would be a good idea. Her boss asked her what the problem was....her experience? references?
No, my boss said. It was that "thing" she used to hold her hair up in the back. This is from someone with an MBA and CPA, earning some very serious bucks.
I've been in HR for a long time and seen lots of different managers and employees, and had to play referee many times. The number of complaints I've heard about male supervisors from their employees doesn't even come close to the complaints about female supervisors. The situation is worse when the employee and manager are women. It's been my experience that the mistrust and suspicion between women in the workplace gets worse as they move higher up the food chain. At one time I thought it was because they felt like they had to be twice as good as their male counterparts in order to get noticed, but in a company where all my bosses were women, it wasn't any different. It's an unspoken taboo, but generally speaking men and women would rather work for a male supervisor.
Women manage differently from men. They are much more detail-oriented and don't like starting projects until all the i's are dotted and the t's crossed. They are more likely to micro=manage. Men look at the big picture and tend to throw it up against the wall to see if it sticks. They want to be liked by their employees and too often under-manage.
A few years ago I was interviewing candidates for a sales management position. The decision makers were my female boss (a VP) and her male boss (the prez).
The most qualified person was a woman who had great industry experience and was a perfect fit. Before making her an offer I met with my bosses to discuss her comp package. The VP said she was having second thoughts and wasn't sure if hiring her would be a good idea. Her boss asked her what the problem was....her experience? references?
No, my boss said. It was that "thing" she used to hold her hair up in the back. This is from someone with an MBA and CPA, earning some very serious bucks.
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If our fathers had just kept our mothers barefoot and pregnant we wouldn't have to deal with this, and America would still be a great nation.
wussies.
wussies.
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Uh-oh. He went there, and it wasn't prudent.
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women should be seen (preferably naked) and not heard.
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ohiobbw said:
Don't be fooled - we do it too, maybe in different ways, but we do it. It is just human nature. The more mature people try to work past it with varying degrees of success.
STG
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But do we HAVE to be? Can we break the cycle? Can we learn to be more upfront with each other? I think we can.
Next time you disagree with another woman, don't smile politely and say nothing. Challenge her to a thumb war! Winner gets to be right.
Next time you disagree with another woman, don't smile politely and say nothing. Challenge her to a thumb war! Winner gets to be right.
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Laurel said:
Oh no kidding! Call them on it and they sit there simpering, wringing their hands with this "I didn't mean to offend" and "I don't know why you choose to take it that way" bullshit. Plu-leaze!
Buck up or shut up.*exhale* ok, I'm done.
Now oh benevolent Madam (fawning
), where are pictures of these kittens? Please, pretty, pretty please?god, I can't spell tonight
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Kitten Eyes said:Now oh benevolent Madam (fawning
LMAO!
No kitty pics yet...they just came into my possession (the kittens that is) yesterday. Their momma left them on my doorstep. Two pure white kitties, and a smaller grey striped one with bad legs. All look to be less than 3 weeks old. The white ones eat cat food, but the littler one still needs bottlefeeding. I think his momma stopped feeding him because of his deformity, because he's nothing but skin and bones. He's a hungry little boy! Practically chews the nipple of the bottle.
