Women average lower salary that men "proves" what exactly?

[renard_ruse]

Women average lower salary than men "proves" what exactly?

Femanists (of both sexes) like to incessantly point out that "women still make a lower average salary than men." They often point to a figure of roughly 70% on the dollar vs. the average man's earnings. This is apparently supposed to "prove" that there is some sort of discrimination or generalized victimhood of all females in today's society. Yet, it proves nothing of the sort.

First off, let's even assume the 70% number is not just pulled out of someone's butt and for sake of argument is accurate. So? How does it "prove" any "victimhood" whatsoever even if it were true? In the US, and nearly all other post-industrial countries (if not most countries in general) there are laws that require "equal pay" for the same job with the same experience. Sexual discrimination has been highly illegal for over 40 years. A majority of people in America today weren't even alive when it was even legal to sexually discriminate in pay (and certainly the vast majority of people of working age today were not alive in such times).

Clearly there is no discrimination in actual pay for the same work and if discrimination can be proven multi-gazillion dollar lawsuits are quickly filed by myriad government agencies and private lawyers. In fact, any potential suspicion of such discrimination would result in a feeding frenzy between government fair employement agencies at federal, state, and local levels, and countless private employment lawyers all wanting to file the case for the alleged victim(s). In short, a woman thus dicriminated against would pretty much be set for life on easy street.

 

[renard_ruse]

So that brings us to why such a "gap" in average salary might exist, if it indeed does.

Could it, just perhaps, maybe, be that males, on average, are more driven to make a higher salary because they know they need money to get women? I know feMANists don't care about little things like biology or heterosexual nature, but the fact remains, most women want a man to have money before they will date them, and they normally want them to make more money than they do. Not all, but we're talking averages here, aren't we??? You can't separate the motivation men have to get women to like them from their drive to earn as much money as they can.

Men are more attractive the money they earn. Women are not more attractive the more money they earn. It makes no difference, on average, to men as to what amount of money a woman makes. That simply can't be said in the reverse. I know feMANists don't care. I know feMANists will try to make this whole argument into a joke. But, deep down, they know its not a joke at all, its the truth.

 

[renard_ruse]

One more point, many predominately male jobs happen to be dangerous or involve hard physical labor, another possible factor figuring into the "gap" if said "gap" does in fact exist.

 

[mercury14]

You need to stop and think before you make these threads.

 

[phrodeau]

So the guy who robs banks is really doing it for the chicks?

 

[cjh]

I love these threads.

I always wonder whether they are real.

It's like chewing on aluminum foil with a filling.

Simultaneously painful and satisfying.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

why do you hate women?

 

[jeninnflorida]

So the guy who robs banks is really doing it for the chicks?

In terms of evolutionary psychology, probably yes.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

About 2000 the state took the feminist bait and equalized pay across the board within specific work classifications. For example, prior to 2000 adoptions, protective supervision, family services, court units, and abuse/neglect investigations paid different wages. Abuse/neglect investigations paid a premium because the work was so stressful and inconvenient few wanted to do it, especially women. Most investigators were male. And the gals hated it that guys dominated and made more money.

So the state did the fair thing and equalized the pay for all. If you sat on your ass in court from 8-5, with no night, weekend, or on-call work, you made as much as the investigator who worked a straight 26 hours on a case involving a toddler with multiple broken bones.

Well, what happened was the rats abandoned ship. Investigators transferred out every time there was a vacancy in a unit that worked regular hours and regular weeks with no unpaid overtime and no risks. Soon there was a staffing shortage with investigators, and new gals didn't have a prayer of landing a social worker slot, cuz the investigators pulled rank.

The fair pay bull shit lasted 2 years. By 2002 investigators had premium pay again and gals had plenty of social work positions to apply for.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't buy it....they could send every woman in the world a billion dollar check every year for being born with a vagina and the femnazi's would still bitch and moan.

"Only 70 cent's for a mans dollar!!" It's called OT....you should try it.

"No I want the same pay!! I don't care if you worked an extra 15 hours I deserve the same!!"

What the fuck ever....

 

[dolf]

I love these threads.

I always wonder whether they are real.

It's like chewing on aluminum foil with a filling.

Simultaneously painful and satisfying.

i was thinking much the same thing.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I don't buy it....they could send every woman in the world a billion dollar check every year for being born with a vagina and the femnazi's would still bitch and moan.

"Only 70 cent's for a mans dollar!!" It's called OT....you should try it.

"No I want the same pay!! I don't care if you worked an extra 15 hours I deserve the same!!"

What the fuck ever....

Bitching is the feminist racket.

Persecution is the Niggaz racket.

Abuse is the Mexicans racket.

But reality is like the beauty with a schlong hid under her skirt.

 

[Ishmael]

The operative word is salary. Most hourly positions pay at parity when gender is considered.

And while I consider the 70% figure suspect, I have no doubt that men are still paid more when it comes to salaried positions. There are many reasons for that but essentially it comes down to the fact that men will devote more 'after hour' hours to their job than women and women are weak negotiators when it comes to raises/reviews. (This is a well established fact and the reason that the Saturn automobile company adopted a "the sticker price is the price......no negotiations" policy. They were purposely targeting the single female market.........and it worked.) Women are adverse to negotiating, a polite term for confrontation, and just don't do well at it.

Women with children are also more likely to trade salary for other considerations, flexible working hours, less after work hours to spend time with their children, etc. It is a quo quid pro that does result in lower pay than a male counterpart that doesn't make the same trade offs. Women, particularly women with children are less likely to want to engage in extensive business travel as part of the job. This also has a tendency to hold them back salary wise.

I'm quite certain more than a few women will jump in here with "Not me" anecdotal stories, there are more than enough going around. And to those ladies I say, "Good for you." But you are the exception, not the rule and many of your sisters are still willing to trade salary for other considerations and those trade offs do bring the statistical mean down.

Ishmael

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The operative word is salary. Most hourly positions pay at parity when gender is considered.

And while I consider the 70% figure suspect, I have no doubt that men are still paid more when it comes to salaried positions. There are many reasons for that but essentially it comes down to the fact that men will devote more 'after hour' hours to their job than women and women are weak negotiators when it comes to raises/reviews. (This is a well established fact and the reason that the Saturn automobile company adopted a "the sticker price is the price......no negotiations" policy. They were purposely targeting the single female market.........and it worked.) Women are adverse to negotiating, a polite term for confrontation, and just don't do well at it.

Women with children are also more likely to trade salary for other considerations, flexible working hours, less after work hours to spend time with their children, etc. It is a quo quid pro that does result in lower pay than a male counterpart that doesn't make the same trade offs. Women, particularly women with children are less likely to want to engage in extensive business travel as part of the job. This also has a tendency to hold them back salary wise.

I'm quite certain more than a few women will jump in here with "Not me" anecdotal stories, there are more than enough going around. And to those ladies I say, "Good for you." But you are the exception, not the rule and many of your sisters are still willing to trade salary for other considerations and those trade offs do bring the statistical mean down.

Ishmael

I'm 64, and I have never worked anywhere where a female comes to work early. They don't do it, even female supervisors. But most men come to work early and stay late.

 

[sereneone4u]

I'm 64, and I have never worked anywhere where a female comes to work early. They don't do it, even female supervisors. But most men come to work early and stay late.

Usually because women are getting the children off to school or daycare.

Men just have to worry about themselves.

Women have to worry about everyone.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Men just have to worry about themselves.

Women have to worry about everyone.

Sexist comment of the day goes to.....SERENEONE4U!!!!

Look if all men worried about was themselves you wouldn't be online right now.....you would be property to be bred and bartered with.

 

[sereneone4u]

Sexist comment of the day goes to.....SERENEONE4U!!!!

Not sexist, true.

I do not know of one man that gets up and gets the kids ready including himself.

They go drink coffee, eat breakfast and get themselves ready and then they comment to their wives, why aren't you ready yet?

I am not going to say that men have it easier than women. I think both genders have a hard time.

I think one reason for the salary gap is that women in many cases can not dedicate themselves to their jobs like men can because men are not expected to care for the kids and home like women.

I have a friend, her husband makes three times what she makes. They finally had a child together and she has to pay for the childcare to work. HIS KID, he makes three times what she does and it is her sole responsibility to pay for THEIR child and to get him to and from daycare and figure out what to do when he gets sick.

We can all pass along stories of friends that support our viewpoint, but the truth is, nether "side" has it great.

 

[sereneone4u]

Sexist comment of the day goes to.....SERENEONE4U!!!!

Look if all men worried about was themselves you wouldn't be online right now.....you would be property to be bred and bartered with.

You are taking it to an extreme.

You don't go from men being oblivious to helping with the kids and the household to women being chattel.

 

[Ishmael]

Usually because women are getting the children off to school or daycare.

Men just have to worry about themselves.

Women have to worry about everyone.

Let's frame that response in a different way. Women don't have to worry about everyone else, they do it out of choice as a consequence of seeing their family role as the HNIC (Head Nurturer in Charge). Men tend to define themselves by their job while women tend to define themselves by their family.

I'm not going to argue whether that's right or wrong, or even if I necessarily agree with it. I don't make the rules nor do I have any control over the biological hard wiring that we're all born with.

Ishmael

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I've never seen a single gal come in early or stay late.

Not true. I've seen a few gals stick around after quitting time, to fuck the boss. I've seen them do it atop their desks when they think the building is empty.

 

[sereneone4u]

Let's frame that response in a different way. Women don't have to worry about everyone else, they do it out of choice as a consequence of seeing their family role as the HNIC (Head Nurturer in Charge). Men tend to define themselves by their job while women tend to define themselves by their family.

I'm not going to argue whether that's right or wrong, or even if I necessarily agree with it. I don't make the rules nor do I have any control over the biological hard wiring that we're all born with.

Ishmael

I agree that women see their role as the HNIC, but I don't think we have much choice. Who else is going to do it?

And if it is biological wiring then that is not choice, that is instinct.

Maybe we just need a society that prizes both.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Call it what it is, THE BITCH RACKET.

 

[sereneone4u]

Call it what it is, THE BITCH RACKET.

Call you what you are?

Bitch racket.

Yes, you certainly are.

 

[Ishmael]

I agree that women see their role as the HNIC, but I don't think we have much choice. Who else is going to do it?

And if it is biological wiring then that is not choice, that is instinct.

Maybe we just need a society that prizes both.

Exactly right on the first part.

As to the second part I agree, but that also implies that both genders are comfortable with their 'instinctual' roles in society, whatever those eventually turn out to be. A society where the individuals constantly act against their instincts will not long exist as a society. It will lead to chaos and a great many mentally unbalanced individuals.

Ishmael

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Call you what you are?

Bitch racket.

Yes, you certainly are.

You don't gotta like me but someone's gotta champion the truth, cuz the alternative is a sad game called AINT IT AWFUL. AINT IT AWFUL fills a girls purse with plenty of plastic fuzzies but not one dime.

Most of the wealth on Earth is owned by women. So plenty of gals know how to get around the obstacles.