Witches, paranormal psychology, etc:

[TonyG]

Do you believe or practice in any of these; witchcraft, voodoo, spells, etc. Do you have a ghost story of your own (not one that somebody told you) that you swear is true?

 

[Juliangel]

ok I posted this on another thread so I am just going to copy and paste it here

Ok this takes a back ground story.

When I was little we lived with my grandparents, my mother helped take care of my grandfather, he had Parkinson's and I worshiped him.

I was 5 and would not eat unless the food was left overs from his plate. He died just over 2 weeks before my 7th birthday and I took it very hard and missed almost a month of second grade.

Ok at 16 I was getting a little wild and out of control and didn't care. I had a dream about him, he was sitting beside me talking to me telling me how I was going to mess up my life and that I was heading some where I really didn't want to go.

I woke suddenly from the dream and there was an indention in the bed that looked like some on was sitting there and it started fading like it would if the person stood up and when I felt it the spot was warm.

That was all it took for me to straighten up and turn myself around.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Not that it will make one lick of difference to anyone who believes, but there is not a substantial supernatural thing to witchcraft, voodoo, ghosts, astrology, phrenology, palmistry, divination by tarot, telekenisis, precognition, ESP or any of the "psychic sciences" that can't be explained by probability, wish fullfillment, direct and subconscious scamming, poor critical thinking, lack of oxygen to the brain, or the natural neurosis specific to the human species like fear of the unknown and our prevalence for categorizing all sensory input into familiar archtypical patterns.

I can reproduce any number of miracles from mind-reading to crying glass, and can give you an astrological or tarot reading that you'd swear was dead on the money.

We've all had this argument before, and it always came down to "You believe what you want and I'll believe what I want.".

 

[Todd]

Not that it will make one lick of difference to anyone who believes, but there is not a substantial supernatural thing to witchcraft, voodoo, ghosts, astrology, phrenology, palmistry, divination by tarot, telekenisis, precognition, ESP or any of the "psychic sciences" that can't be explained by probability, wish fullfillment, direct and subconscious scamming, poor critical thinking, lack of oxygen to the brain, or the natural neurosis specific to the human species like fear of the unknown and our prevalence for categorizing all sensory input into familiar archtypical patterns.

I can reproduce any number of miracles from mind-reading to crying glass, and can give you an astrological or tarot reading that you'd swear was dead on the money.

We've all had this argument before, and it always came down to "You believe what you want and I'll believe what I want.".

Dixon can you teach me how to do the Crying objects routine, I could use that in a program I am developing.

 

[Madame Pandora]

Belief

Dix...

Were you the little kid who was always trying to pull off Santa' beard? Ye gods. Leave a little mystery alone, won't ya? ;P LOL

Personally...yeah, I can see why you'd be very jaded on the issue. Even though I've had a personal experience (which is too personal to share on the board...sorry) that makes me inclined to at least CONSIDER the possibility of things that defy rational reasoning...my first instinct is always to be skeptical.

But...I think it would be a wretched world if all our magic disappered. Spirituality exists today because so many people have that sense of something more. And I'm not saying the magic has to be ghosts or spirits. It could simply be the secrets of our own minds and abilities that we haven't explored yet; or the law of science that still eludes us. I refuse to believe the human animal has learned all there is to know.

And, I disagree that there is nothing that defys explination. Many respected colleges and scientists run experiments on ESP and other so-called mystical occurances. Granted, I will give you that 95% of all the so called "mysteries" of the world fall into your nicely packaged causes....but that other 5% still gives the rest of us something to ponder.

Do you really think there is no magic left in this little space ball of a world? That would make me, for one, very sad.

MP

 

[Never]

tony_gam:
"Do you have a ghost story of your own (not one that somebody told you) that you swear is true?"

I don't know what it was and I don't really want to know. Now I'm an atheist but I've always said that if I didn't see it I wouldn't believe it but I guess since I saw something I can't not believe in anything.

 

[Madame Pandora]

tony_gam:
"Do you have a ghost story of your own (not one that somebody told you) that you swear is true?"

I don't know what it was and I don't really want to know. Now I'm an atheist but I've always said that if I didn't see it I wouldn't believe it but I guess since I saw something I can't not believe in anything.

Never, honey? Do you by chance sell cars for a living?

Darkness there and nothing more ;-)

MP

 

[Purple Haze]

tony_gam,

You like ghost stories? Here's a few for you.

http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=15202

 

[KillerMuffin]

Personally... yes, I lived in a house in Monett Missouri where something that lived there hated me. I didn't know what it was, or where it came from, or why it would hate me. There were nights when I would stay up, guarding my son from whatever it was, more certain that if I slept I wouldn't wake than I was of my own existence. My mother in law wants me to move back in to that house. Hah. I'd sooner move in with Ramlick and be his love slave.

This may or may not have anything to do with anything, but there are lots of chicken and turkey slaughter houses in that particular patch of Misery. It feels like hell to me.

Just because I can't see it, taste it, prove it exists, or measure it with senses other than those in my mind doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We take it on faith that astronmers who've discovered planets outside of this solar system have actually found planets, and they've never seen them either. Not even in a telescope.

 

[Never]

Madame Pandora:
"Never, honey? Do you by chance sell cars for a living?

Darkness there and nothing more ;-)"
No, I don't sell cars at all, why do you ask?
Darkness doesn't talk to you..

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[Guest]

Follow this thread for a True Story involving witchcraft, intrigue and a man's fear of flying.

http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=21228

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Dixon can you teach me how to do the Crying objects routine, I could use that in a program I am developing. [/B]

What program?

You can cry anything from small pieces of (smooth) glass to beans to pebbles by placing the objects under your upper or lower eyelid. It takes practice, and I would start with tiny, tiny little objects first.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Re: Belief

Dix...Were you the little kid who was always trying to pull off Santa' beard?

I think this all started the day my parents told me that there was no Santa. I became very enamored of the truth from that moment on. And I also became fascinated with the untruths we all tellourselves to survive.

And, I disagree that there is nothing that defys explination. Many respected colleges and scientists run experiments on ESP and other so-called mystical occurances. Granted, I will give you that 95% of all the so called "mysteries" of the world fall into your nicely packaged causes....but that other 5% still gives the rest of us something to ponder.

There is no 5%. Scientists performed experiments on the psychic sciences all the time, and there has never been anything conclusive in favor of the supernatural. Not being able to expalin a person's ghost story is not proof that ghosts exist, or even that a good possibility exists. mostly because a myrriad number of more plausible solutions exist.

Do you really think there is no magic left in this little space ball of a world? That would make me, for one, very sad.

This is why people get into a quandry over the supernatural, because people always end up arguing six different things and ascribe ten different defintiions to words like "magic" and "mystery".

If you say magic is "that etheral sense of wonder one gets from looking at the stars or a spider-web" then I'm right there with you. But if you say magic is "the application of supernatural or pereternatural forces that word without the physcial laws of the universe allowing us to move objects with our minds, read thoughts, have precognative dreams, or divine character by the movement of celestial bodies", then, no, it's superstitious nonsense we've invented to create the illusion that we have more control over nature and destiny than we truly do.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

double post

[Edited by Dixon Carter Lee on 01-03-2001 at 12:05 PM]

 

[Gaucho]

Jaysus, Dix! Once is enough already!

Someone once said that those things we call "miracles" or "supernatural" are merely effects for which there is no known cause. A quick glance through history shows there are many things we accept as commonplace today that were once thought to be supernatural or otherworldly. Does that mean there are no such things? Well, I'm not quite ready to jump on the DCL bandwagon just yet, but it may mean that these things do exist, that they are entirely natural, and that we just haven't discovered their real cause yet.

Of course, none of that rational mumbo jumbo will change the heebie-jeebies we get when things we can't explain do happen.

For the record, I've never had what I would call a supernatural experience, but I do recall waking up in the middle of the night once when I was very young and seeing my older brother hanging from the back of the door. I was so frightened I couldn't move and I'm not sure exactly what I did. I know I didn't get up and investigate. I probably threw the blankets over my head (the universal protective force of all children) and said something like, "I do believe in spooks; I do believe in spooks" until I fell asleep.

Years later, when I read Salem's Lot for the first time, I swore that Stephen King had read my mind. His image of the hanging boy in that book dovetailed perfectly with what I saw in my bedroom that night. This probably suggests that the image itself (and the subconscious element behind it) is a fairly common one.

The following morning when I awoke, I realized what I'd seen in the night was simply a boy's white dress shirt hung on a hook high up on the door. But to this day I can still recall the image of my brother and the cold, prickly feeling that ran down my spine when I first saw it.

 

[Todd]

Dixon can you teach me how to do the Crying objects routine, I could use that in a program I am developing.

What program?

You can cry anything from small pieces of (smooth) glass to beans to pebbles by placing the objects under your upper or lower eyelid. It takes practice, and I would start with tiny, tiny little objects first. [/B]

I can do that I thought you meat making inanimate glass objects cry. That would be very useful for one of the ideas I have for one of my programs.


The programs I am doing are a 90 minute comedy/illustrational/devotional thing I am sure you won't be interested in further details.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

thought you meat making inanimate glass objects cry. That would be very useful for one of the ideas I have for one of my programs.

Making icons bleed or cry usually has more to do with condensation than actual outright fraud. And it's difficlt ot make it happen "at will". Bleeding and crying statues and objects warm and cool during the day, condensing water vapor and mixing it with various paints imbedded in the objects.

If you want to make a glass object cry "at will", there are a variety of things you can do using palmed sponges that leak water invisibly down a smooth glass surface and collect at an apex, forming droplets, and making the crying visible.

Or you could palm a small sprayer, and spray the obect with a light mist, which will then do the same thing, collect the water as it runs down the object until the pools become large enough to see.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

The programs I am doing are a 90 minute comedy/illustrational/devotional thing I am sure you won't be interested in further details.

Sure I would. I'm a comic magician and I've done a lot of Head Magic in the past. Sounds interesting.

 

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[GuyJD]

Do you believe or practice in any of these; witchcraft, voodoo, spells, etc. Do you have a ghost story of your own (not one that somebody told you) that you swear is true?

This was once a post of about a month ago. I not only believe in voodoo and witchcraft but I have a book that was mentioned in the movie, "THE CRAFT". It is a book of magical powers and ritchural spells by the author, Guimoir. Did I ever use it? What do you think? Just a hint, read my profile. I'm from the land of voodoo and we Creoles were always the voodoo specialists.

 

[Todd]

The programs I am doing are a 90 minute comedy/illustrational/devotional thing I am sure you won't be interested in further details.

Sure I would. I'm a comic magician and I've done a lot of Head Magic in the past. Sounds interesting.

Well most of my programs lead in to scriptural ideas and concepts. I know how you feel about that sort of thing. It's a new gig I recently got myself roped into by opening my mouth long enough to change feet. 3 youth programs, 2 adult programs and a Seniors program. Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy.

 

[Madame Pandora]

Re: Re: Belief

there has never been anything conclusive in favor of the supernatural. Not being able to expalin a person's ghost story is not proof that ghosts exist, or even that a good possibility exists. mostly because a myrriad number of more plausible solutions exist.

Okay, and I am not arguing that you have a valid point. But you are readily dismissing a select number or possibilites while embracing others. The truth is, we don't know. There are many things thay defy explination. It could be ANYTHING. It's just as arrogant to say you know for certain there IS NO supernatural as it is to say there is for certain. And, let me be clear - when I say supernatural I only mean what is beyond our nature as it stands today. Thousands of years ago, natives in Africa would have been laughed at if they thought there were other beings far across the oceans. A horizon is nothing but the limit of our sight...it is not an endpoint.

If you say magic is "that etheral sense of wonder one gets from looking at the stars or a spider-web" then I'm right there with you. But if you say magic is "the application of supernatural or pereternatural forces that word without the physcial laws of the universe allowing us to move objects with our minds, read thoughts, have precognative dreams, or divine character by the movement of celestial bodies", then, no, it's superstitious nonsense we've invented to create the illusion that we have more control over nature and destiny than we truly do.

Personally, I think most of it is tripe. But I also don't think we've explored our full potential as beings, and I don't think we have even BEGUN to understand all the laws of the universe. If it's a spider web or an illusion or whatever, I think the best part of the human animal IS it's ability to incoporate both reality and illusion into their imagination. Maybe there are no ghosts, but what IF we just haven't discovered a way to communicate with a spirit after it's corporial life? Do I believe that? No. But I don't exclude the possibility. I'm not INVESTING in it, mind you, but I'm not going to tell someone not to try.

But...I just think it's fun and I enjoy the mystery and the whatif. You sound like you have a reason to be angry about it. Is there something I missed?

MP