Will Someone Please Shoot This Pagan in The Face?

[Joe Wordsworth]

Police say teacher 'wed' 14-year-old girl in pagan ritual

SOUTH HAVEN -- A teacher and a 14-year-old former female student whom she is accused of sexually assaulting participated in witchcraft together and even "wed" in a pagan ritual, police said.

Elizabeth Miklosovic, 36, a teacher at South Haven's Baseline Middle School, was arraigned Thursday on a charge of first-degree criminal sexual conduct in Van Buren County.

If convicted, Miklosovic faces a maximum sentence of life in prison. She was ordered held on $100,000 bond and remained in the county jail Friday.

Also Thursday, the Kent County prosecutor's office issued arrest warrants for Miklosovic on charges of first- and second-degree criminal sexual conduct that accuse her of performing illegal sex acts with the student at the teacher's Grand Rapids home.

Miklosovic lives with another woman and their adopted son, authorities said.

The student told a classmate about the relationship and the classmate told school officials, who placed the seventh-grade language arts teacher on leave from her job. Miklosovic has worked for South Haven Public Schools for three years.

John Weiss, principal of the middle school, said he was surprised to learn about the charges. School administrators and counselors met with students and other teachers throughout the day Thursday.

"There have been a wide variety of reactions," he told The Herald-Palladium of St. Joseph. "There are 550 students and 550 reactions, it seems."

The student told Michigan State Police that she and Miklosovic had about five sexual encounters from June to October in the teacher's home, a park in Van Buren County and a state park in Manistee County.

Although the girl was in Miklosovic's class in the past, the sexual contact did not occur until this year, authorities said.

Miklosovic has no previous criminal record in Michigan, state police records show.

She declined to answer reporters' questions after her arraignment.

James Becker has been appointed as Miklosovic's attorney. Contacted Friday at his Paw Paw law office, Becker declined to comment about the case, saying he had not yet seen the police report.

The girl's family said Miklosovic brainwashed the girl into thinking the two did nothing wrong. A relative told The Grand Rapids Press that the family initially believed Miklosovic's interest in the girl -- who was described as vulnerable and as having emotional problems -- was to help her.

Detective Sgt. Diane Oppenheim of the state police post in South Haven said the student came to trust the teacher so much, she agreed to "marry" the woman in a pagan ritual.

"They also participated in witchcraft together," Oppenheim said.

Miklosovic's preliminary examination on the Van Buren County charge is scheduled for Dec. 13.

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Burn 'em... burn e'm all.

 

[Amy Sweet]

Sure- she's in line right after the child mollesting Catholic Priests- might take a while.

Catholics- hmm, I sugest we crucify them all. Litterally. Sure, why not.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Originally posted by Amy Sweet
Sure- she's in line right after the child mollesting Catholic Priests- might take a while.

Catholics- hmm, I sugest we crucify them all. Litterally. Sure, why not.

I have a problem with the intentional causing of suffering. Someone should just shoot her in the face.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Don't much like pedophiles. Too much like rapists.

Don't much like teachers who abuse their station of power for sex either.

Seems the article focused a lot more on the lesbianism and Wicca side of it though, instead of the pedophilia and abuse of power. Ce la vie. Media does that because they know what sells.

 

[Evil Alpaca]

I have a problem with the intentional causing of suffering. Someone should just shoot her in the face.

But if it had been a Catholic teacher at a Catholic school committing the abuse, would you have said "Someone shoot this Catholic in the face"? I agree with LC. This is a dispicable act by someone abusing authority, and that's where the the attention should be focused.

 

[minsue]

Burn 'em... burn e'm all.

I know I'm going to regret asking this, Joe, but I'd like to think you're better than the way that came across - Who exactly are you referring to when you say " 'em "?

 

[she_is_my_addiction]

She committed an act of pedophilia. End of story. Her orientation or sexual preference should not be the issue here. Unfortunately we live in America, and that's how our fucked up system is. Apparently the bigger concern is that she's a lesbian and practices wicca. I don't give a shit about that. I give a shit that she committed sexual acts with a minor.

Excuse me, what's wrong with people???

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Re: Re: Will Someone Please Shoot This Pagan in The Face?

Originally posted by Evil Alpaca
But if it had been a Catholic teacher at a Catholic school committing the abuse, would you have said "Someone shoot this Catholic in the face"?

Probably. Why wouldn't I?

Originally posted by minsue
I know I'm going to regret asking this, Joe, but I'd like to think you're better than the way that came across - Who exactly are you referring to when you say " 'em "?

People who would go so far as to brainwash and take advantage of a fourteen year old girl like that.

Past all of that, though... we say "oh, its a tragedy that we bring up the religious and sexual orientation", but please. What's good for the goose, no? No end to the Catholic Priest shit, when that went down.

If we're going to lambast, it should be an equal opportunity lambasting.

 

[Evil Alpaca]

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Probably. Why wouldn't I?



People who would go so far as to brainwash and take advantage of a fourteen year old girl like that.

Past all of that, though... we say "oh, its a tragedy that we bring up the religious and sexual orientation", but please. What's good for the goose, no? No end to the Catholic Priest shit, when that went down.

If we're going to lambast, it should be an equal opportunity lambasting.

Let's see. Teachers don't claim to be the moral authorities over mankind, Catholic priests do. That hypocrisy is what was so sensationalistic and did so much damage to a lot of genuinely good people. When teacher/student sex cases like this have been reported before, I don't remember anyone saying, "Oh, and by the way, THIS teacher was a Catholic or Protestant. They talk about her being a teacher and abusing power and how horrible what they did was. Why not find out what religion THESE teachers are and condemn their entire denominations (by your logic).

 

[minsue]

Re: Re: Re: Will Someone Please Shoot This Pagan in The Face?

Probably. Why wouldn't I?



People who would go so far as to brainwash and take advantage of a fourteen year old girl like that.

Past all of that, though... we say "oh, its a tragedy that we bring up the religious and sexual orientation", but please. What's good for the goose, no? No end to the Catholic Priest shit, when that went down.

If we're going to lambast, it should be an equal opportunity lambasting.

I have no problem lambasting. Just so long as you're lambasting them for the crimes commited. Having known plenty of wiccans and lesbians, neither of those has anything to do with brainwashing or child molesting.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

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Let's see. Teachers don't claim to be the moral authorities over mankind, Catholic priests do. That hypocrisy is what was so sensationalistic and did so much damage to a lot of genuinely good people. When teacher/student sex cases like this have been reported before, I don't remember anyone saying, "Oh, and by the way, THIS teacher was a Catholic or Protestant. They talk about her being a teacher and abusing power and how horrible what they did was. Why not find out what religion THESE teachers are and condemn their entire denominations (by your logic).

Dude, I'm not much for cutting our resident illogician slack, but cut him some slack.

It's the media that gets its jollies off sensationalizing the irrelevant to sell newspapers. He hardly wrote the story.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

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Originally posted by Evil Alpaca
Let's see. Teachers don't claim to be the moral authorities over mankind, Catholic priests do. That hypocrisy is what was so sensationalistic and did so much damage to a lot of genuinely good people. When teacher/student sex cases like this have been reported before, I don't remember anyone saying, "Oh, and by the way, THIS teacher was a Catholic or Protestant. They talk about her being a teacher and abusing power and how horrible what they did was. Why not find out what religion THESE teachers are and condemn their entire denominations (by your logic).

Well, more accurately... Priests don't claim to be the moral authorities either. More like those charged with the job of encouraging the moral standards of the agency that employs them in their instruction of scripture. Not entirely comparable, but... well, yeah, comparable to the role a teacher with regard to their social responsibility charged to them by their occupation. I don't think anyone's going to argue that you are entrusting a great deal to a teacher by allowing them to teach a child.

By my logic, I simply have no quams about pointing out that this teacher was in breach of a number of things including pedophilia and religiously directing the child.

 

[minsue]

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By my logic, I simply have no quams about pointing out that this teacher was in breach of a number of things including pedophilia and religiously directing the child.

I have no problem with that either. I do, however, find it difficult to believe that your thread title would have read "Someone please shoot this Protestant in the face" if the teacher was of another faith.

I really am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, Joe. It's just getting a bit difficult.

 

[Guest]

When I look beyond the sensationalism of the case I can still condemn what this woman did as grievous, but what struck me particularly is that she could be sentenced to life imprisonment. As a mother whose sons were molested at a very young age it seems fair to me. However, I've heard no end of cases where male rapists or child molesters go unpunished or are let off with a few years or even only months of imprisonment. Even disregarding the lesbian factor I daresay what will get this woman the most time is the paganism.

Perdita

 

[she_is_my_addiction]

When I look beyond the sensationalism of the case I can still condemn what this woman did as grievous, but what struck me particularly is that she could be sentenced to life imprisonment. As a mother whose sons were molested at a very young age it seems fair to me. However, I've heard no end of cases where male rapists or child molesters go unpunished or are let off with a few years or even only months of imprisonment. Even disregarding the lesbian factor I daresay what will get this woman the most time is the paganism.

Perdita

On the contrary, I know a few cases where male rapists have gotten off with a few months. It's sickening.

 

[Guest]

On the contrary, I know a few cases where male rapists have gotten off with a few months. It's sickening.

Sima, that's what I said, no contrary. P.

 

[she_is_my_addiction]

Sima, that's what I said, no contrary. P.

Ah..no end. Sorry hon...I misread.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

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Originally posted by minsue
I have no problem with that either. I do, however, find it difficult to believe that your thread title would have read "Someone please shoot this Protestant in the face" if the teacher was of another faith.

I really am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here, Joe. It's just getting a bit difficult.

To put a fine point on it, then:

If the situation had been a male teacher who not only fucked a kid, but convinced this kid that their faith--we'll say Protestants, doesn't matter--said it was o.k. and they should ritualize (and justify) their acts by getting married (or whatever)... then this guy is not only a perv and pedophile, but mother fucker for attempting to brainwash this child into thinking this was a good thing.

I would say "Shoot this Protestant in the face".

The religious issue here is pretty significant, because the religious issue here is a factor. For instance, Catholic priest fucks a child, then Catholic priest is a pedophile. Catholic priest fucks a child and proceeds to convince child that this is godly? Decent? Moral? That's yet worse. Shouldn't be ignored.

 

[minsue]

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To put a fine point on it, then:

If the situation had been a male teacher who not only fucked a kid, but convinced this kid that their faith--we'll say Protestants, doesn't matter--said it was o.k. and they should ritualize (and justify) their acts by getting married (or whatever)... then this guy is not only a perv and pedophile, but mother fucker for attempting to brainwash this child into thinking this was a good thing.

There's a whole town of protestants in Northern AZ for you to go shoot then, Joe. It's called Colorado City.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

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Originally posted by minsue
There's a whole town of protestants in Northern AZ for you to go shoot then, Joe. It's called Colorado City.

Oh, The First City of the Millenium has a bunch of Mormons that should be shot in the face.

 

[she_is_my_addiction]

Okay lets stay away from Unitarians while we're on the subject of religions.

 

[Belegon]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Will Someone Please Shoot This Pagan in The Face?

Well, more accurately... Priests don't claim to be the moral authorities either.

then things have changed since I graduated from an all-boy catholic high school....

bad call on the title of the thread. period.

How about, "will somebody shoot this bitch in the face?"

Religion has nothing to do with it. Joe, you're getting extra shit because you have shown a tendancy to favor one factions views over the other's in the past. Remember the "homophobia" debate?

Bad choice of thread titles.

 

[minsue]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Will Someone Please Shoot This Pagan in The Face?

then things have changed since I graduated from an all-boy catholic high school....

bad call on the title of the thread. period.

How about, "will somebody shoot this bitch in the face?"

Religion has nothing to do with it. Joe, you're getting extra shit because you have shown a tendancy to favor one factions views over the other's in the past. Remember the "homophobia" debate?

Bad choice of thread titles.

Consise, fair, and to the point. I knew there was a reason I liked you.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Will Someone Please Shoot This Pagan in The Face?

Originally posted by Belegon
then things have changed since I graduated from an all-boy catholic high school....

You had priests that claimed to be moral authorities? VERY un-Catholic. Ech.

bad call on the title of the thread. period.

How about, "will somebody shoot this bitch in the face?"

Religion has nothing to do with it. Joe, you're getting extra shit because you have shown a tendancy to favor one factions views over the other's in the past. Remember the "homophobia" debate?

Bad choice of thread titles.

It was, more or less, flippant. But I can accept that flippancy with regard to religion may be inappropriate... is that what we're saying?

 

[she_is_my_addiction]

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Consise, fair, and to the point. I knew there was a reason I liked you.

I thought it was because of that Livestrong bracelet on his wrist.



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