Will he EVER get his?

[DVS]

Well, this is a serious post and it has BDSM tones, but I decided to put it in here, just in case someone thought it wasn't BDSMie enough or something like that. I aim to please.

This is a rant of mine. I've often mentioned this guy, when talking about how subs should be sure they know the Dom before they allow themselves to be tied up or otherwise controlled by a new Dom. It just doesn't pay to take risks with your life.

The guy I'm talking about is John Robinson. If you dlon't rmember him, he's sometimes called the barrel murderer, because he stuffed most of his victims in 55 gallon barrels and hid them in various places in Kansas City...mostly his farm in Olathe, KS (suburb of Kansas City on the Kansas side) and a storage bin in Raymore (suburb of Kansas City in the Missouri side).

He was also labeled the SlaveMaster, because that's how he lurred several of his victims. He posted an ad that he was "the SlaveMaster" and unsuspecting women came from several parts of the country to be with him. What was wrong about that? He wasn't even into BDSM at all. It was all a ploy to get victims.

Actually, that's how he was found out. He pissed one potential victim off by taking her toys and she went to police to complain. Then, others came forward to complain about him and eventually, the barrels were found.

There's even a Snopes story about him. He was 56 when he killed most of the women, but the story said he had killed 56 women. It's amazing how such stories can change and mutate into something even worse than the real thing.

Back when he was FINALLY caught and his victims were found...because they were found on both sides of the state line, there were squables over where he should be tried...Kansas, because he probably killed his victims in Kansas, but Missouri also had the right, because one victim was from Missouri and he had some victim's bodies on the Missouri side of town.

So, they decided to have trials in BOTH Kansas and Missouri. This caused an even greater fight, because people thought it was too redudant to spend taxpayer's money to convict this guy in BOTH state courts. If he were to get the death penalty, he could only be put to death one time, so why convict him twice?

Well, if you knew anything about this giuy, he was pretty shifty and there were those who just wanted to be sure he was put to death, and being redundant by having two trials didn't seem that far fetched. So, after a small battle, it was decided he would first be tried in Kansas, then sent to Missouri for a trial there.

He was convicted of murder and sentenced to death in Kansas and most thought that should be the end of it. But, it was decided before hand to have the Missouri trial, and so they did. But, being the shifty bastard he is, he didn't plead innocent in Missouri like he did in Kansas. He pleaded guilty and so he coudln't be given the death penalty. He was given life in prison with no chance of parole.

They decided Kansas had priority so he went to death row in Kansas. Everybody calmed down, thinking he would be eventually put to death for killing all of those women. But, recently, when lethal injection was questioned as unconstitutional, the Kansas Supreme Court decided to suspend any death row convictioin, unless and until it could be decided that it was constitutional. Robinson's death conviction was changed to life in prison.

So, with this rulling, all of the battles and bitching about redundant trials kind of came to the forefront again. Here he was, a murderer of some 11 women and he had slipped through the cracks again. People wanted to see this guy put to death for his terrible crimes. He was an evil preditor of the innocent and deserved to die. People were saying he's won, and his vicim's families were pretty disgusted that he was no longer on death row, because of a stupid technicality.

SO....the plot thickens.

Recently, the Federal court system has decided to try him for kidnapping one of his victims and enticing her to Kansas by false means. And, because this kidnap resulted in murder, they said he could get the death penalty in the federal court system.

So, that's where we are, at present. Kansas is still trying to decide if lethal injection is constitutional. Missouri could only keep him locked up for his natural life, so the Feds are trying to get him back on death row with their trial.

It's said that this trial will cost millions but most people think it's worth it, if it will get him back where he needs to be...on a path to meet up with a needle in his arm. And, they said if Kansas ever get's their shit together and reinstates the death penalty, they could then rethink the federal trial at that point, to see if they want to continue or drop the charges.

And, because he's now 62, he could easily die in prison of natural causes before this federal trial and the resulting appeals process comes to an end. He may still win, in the long run.

 

[Salendire]

I have read horror stories that follow a simmilar killing method to what this guy did. He must have been their inspiration.

I supose it depends how u look at it... Whats worse, rotting in prision or a painless death by leathal injection?

I say let him rot, i am sure whatever he is going through in his hell hole is a lot more painful that what he will get if they strap him down to that bed.

 

[incubus'_sub]

I'm in favour of capital punishment, which we no longer have over here (but should ! ) where there is no doubt of guilt as in this case.

I know the case, having read various reports & a book on this guy. Yes, he is dangerous & should pay for his crimes, but I see no point in pursuing his death at such a huge cost to your taxpayers. He's locked up forever & will kill no more. His story serves as a brilliant warning to everyone tempted to believe what they read on the Net, particularly what people will say about themselves.

For people such as this, the prevention of their kink & access to it is probably even better punishment that a quick, easy death. I believe that the limited resources available to law enforcement both in the USA & here would be better used chasing & convicting (only once is necessary) other predators which terrorise our countries.

 

[oddity83]

Somebody should make that freak the shank testing bag, bonus piont to who ever puts a whole in his colon.

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

Sorry to say its possible from reading the 'story' he may never get his DVS. The man was 'sane' enough to make choices outside of the horrendous and unforgivable crimes he perpetuated and survived until now. If the Judicial system has been unable to carry through the death sentence to date he may well rot in prison and die of natural causes. Is that getting his ? I doubt it. I am not foolish enough to imagine the prison system a Holiday Camp but the level of security involved in detaining him I would imagine not see him mixing with the general prison population. Solitary confinement , meals brought to him, no need to concern himself with how to pay the utility accounts. Perhaps I am naive and I admit I know very little about the prison system anywhere including my own country in any meaningful way. He could be sitting back as happy as a pig in mud for all we know. I do believe in karma, it fails me from time to time . In my life seeing good people hurt while bad people rise. Its not a fair world, thank God he is off the streets if nothing else.

 

[caela]

No he likely won't get his because now all of the sudden it is considered cruel and unusual punishment to use a lethal injection because (god forbid!) the medication they use might hurt going in. I hate to tell people but medication going into your body through a needle tends to burn, does that mean I get to sue any hospital I've ever been in or my school, for that matter, for making me get shots based on their being "cruel and unusual" punishments?

Cases like these are a pet peeve of mine. Why the hell should the taxpayers be burdened with the cost of all these trials and then with the cost of housing, feeding, gaurding etc. people like this? With cases of serial killers like this there should be a time limit on appeals and then a simple bullet to the head instead of making us pay for their up keep for the rest of their lives.

 

[Blushing Bottom]

In working closely with the judicial system on a daily basis, no one knows more that I how imperfect it is but unfortunately it is all we have.

But you know I myself do believe that vigilante behaviors can and do effect the justice the rest of the world needs in cases like this one. My recommendation woodchipper therapy.

 

[graceanne]

I say let him out. Then let the familys if the girls have him.

 

[Joe Schmoe]

There is something very disturbing when a person has been fairly and justly proven that they must be permanently removed from society yet are given shelter, food, medicine and clothing while far too many in the general population lack these very means. It sickens and enrages me to even think about it.

I say remove any trace of them once and for all.

 

[O'Mac]

I'm totally against the death penalty in all instances, and for quite a few reasons.

Firstly, as soon as one innocent person is executed (and we do acknowledge that has happened several times in the past), it then concludes that the system which allows an innocent person to die is itself guilty of murder. And if the system is guilty of murder, does that then mean it must be executed as well? The logic behind criminal execution is fundamentally flawed because there will never be a 100% degree of absolute proof during investigation.

Secondly, according to my religious beliefs and personal tenets of faith, murder is murder no matter who does the killing. This is a purely personal attitude, but I don't understand how it becomes unacceptable for people to kill other people, but it's okay for institutions to kill people.

Now all this isn't to suggest that I'm soft on issues of crime and punishment. Far from it. Interesting topic, and I would like to talk more, but I gotta run to do paintballing. Laters!

 

[DVS]

I'm not trying to make this into a death penalty thread. Personally, I"m for the death penalty, but ONLY if they have the right guy. Sometimes, you can't be sure and I don't like how some of the evidence is faked in some trials just so the DA looks good for his re-election bid, or because some lab tech has a vendetta.

But, in this case, there's no doubt Robinson is our man. The evidence is overwhelming. He even pleaded guilty in the Missouri trial. And, if you know anything about his ways, you'd think about killing him yourself.

After he got what he wanted, his victims were no longer needed. He had them sign blank sheets of paper and then he typed out letters to their loved ones, stating that they were OK and not to worry...they wouldn't be hearing from them for a while.

He is an expert forger. He forged all of the signatures on adoption papers for one of his victim's baby daughter. The mother was 21 and her daughter was less than a year old. He killed the 21 year old mother and his brother and his wife adopted the baby as their own. They have never found the mother's body.

As far as anybody knows, only Robinson knew who the baby really was. That is until Robinson was arrested and it all came out in the trial. Now that baby girl is a teenager living in a Chicago suburb. I think she's still with Robinson's brother. They are the only family she's known.

She was 14 at the time of the trial. How do you think you would feel, if you found out your uncle was really the monster that killed your mother? Her real mother's family has met with her and helped her through these times, but they are strangers to her.

One of his last victims was a prison librarian at Crossroads prison in Cameron, Missouri. He made friends with her while he was there on a forgery conviction. When he got out, she got together with him, and welll...they found her body in a 55 gallon barrel in a Raymore, Missouri storage bin.

This guy is evil. If there was ever a reason for the death penalty, I think he fits. Just like BTK, who, by the way, will live out his life in prison. He vicimtised Witchita, Kansas for a long time before his need for fame finally got him caught. He had some sick tendencies, too. He got sexually excited by tying up his vicims, torturing them and then killing them. Sometimes he even masturbated on the corpse.

Both of these guys are quite sane. They are sociopaths. They have no concience. They have no remorse. Robinson picked his victims for what he could use them for. After he killed them, he cashed their welfare checks. That's all they were worth to him.

His victims were only looking for a better life. He offered them jobs or kinky sex and a place to stay, if they'd come to Kansas City. One woman brought her daughter with her. The daughter was in a wheel chair. He killed both of them and stuffed their bodies in a barrel.

As for a means for the death penalty, I wouldn't mind seeing these guys tossed into a pack of hungry lions, or suspended and slowly lowered into a vat of acid. Or better yet, let the families of their victims decide how they die. That sounds like a plan. Maybe give them each a baseball bat or a claw hammer and tell them to have some fun.

 

[graceanne]

Speaking of people who deserve to die . . .

Today my friend called to ask me to pray for her neighbor, a sweet lady named Sandy. Sandy's nephew was murdered yesterday, by his mother and her boyfriend. Evidently Sandy tried to get custody of the little boy a couple of years ago, but the state (fuckers) decided the mother was better. But she wasn't supposed to elave the state of Oregon with him. Guess where they were when he was killed? In Washington. Plus the bitch has been drawing welfare from both Oregon and Washington.

So they're gonna let her out of jail for his funeral, but Sandy can't go, cause the bitch is worried that Sandy will try to kill her. It's bullshit - their's gonna be cops there to keep her from escaping. She's just being malicious.

 

[Blushing Bottom]

Another shinning example of how the judicial system works...poorly.

But unfortunately it si all we have and there DOES need to be social law.

*huggs* to anyone who needs one.

Speaking of people who deserve to die . . .

Today my friend called to ask me to pray for her neighbor, a sweet lady named Sandy. Sandy's nephew was murdered yesterday, by his mother and her boyfriend. Evidently Sandy tried to get custody of the little boy a couple of years ago, but the state (fuckers) decided the mother was better. But she wasn't supposed to elave the state of Oregon with him. Guess where they were when he was killed? In Washington. Plus the bitch has been drawing welfare from both Oregon and Washington.

So they're gonna let her out of jail for his funeral, but Sandy can't go, cause the bitch is worried that Sandy will try to kill her. It's bullshit - their's gonna be cops there to keep her from escaping. She's just being malicious.

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

This is an older article written by Gloria Brame on the Topic that DVS initiated on this Thread. I have not had the chance to run its inclusion past him in pm but from previous brief correspondence of a smililar genre I'll 'assume' for now its fine to do so .@}-}rebecca----

June 8, 2000

BEING AN SMer MEANS ALWAYS HAVING TO SAY YOU'RE SORRY

It's happened again. The media event that all Smers dread: an SM-related murder. If you haven't already heard the news currently unfolding in Kansas City, a man who used the handle "slavemaster" on the Net was just discovered to have several barrels of dead bodies in his backyard and more hidden elsewhere. It is alleged that in recent years, he trolled BDSM areas on the Net, seduced some unsuspecting submissive women, then tortured and murdered them.

Horrible? Unspeakably. A grisly lesson for all reckless subs? Certainly. The women showed up at a hotel to meet and serve this man, based uniquely on their cyber-relationship. How many of us haven't done such crazy things? Is it time, perhaps, that we STOP doing such crazy things? Sure thing.

It goes without saying that their families have my greatest sympathy and that I grieve the passing of the young victims--not only the two submissives, but the numerous others who met similar fates. But for me, the real story is how the media is covering this and, equally importantly, how we, as a Community, are responding.

As usual, media have seized on the SM aspect of this case, taking the opportunity to cast aspersions on our sexual identities. This despite the fact that most of the victims were not SMers, but were lured by promises of money and other non-kinky things.

Journalists are making noxious implications that SM can lead to murder; psychologists are being cited as saying that bondage is fine, but anything involving pain is "sick." And the BDSM Community is responding defensively, hurrying to assure everyone that we are not really like that, that we are people who only have consensual, loving sex. One SMer even issued a loud, showy wail of anguish, as if to say that when bad SM things happen to good people, it's the Scene's cross to bear.

What a load of poop. If you know more than 3 people in SM, then you know that we are, at times, perfect idiots when it comes to choices in partners. Most of us place an emphasis on moral issues, but others of us place the emphasis on our genitals. Beyond that, some of us apparently don't entirely grasp the concept of consent, as evidenced by the letters I get from het femsubs terrified by their Masters' insistence that they fuck dogs or other women or risk dismissal.

Loving, consensual SM between spiritually and politically enlightened individuals is the Scene's social ideal, and a high ideal it is. But to suggest that we've achieved it is absurd. Most of us are just doing the best we can, and trying to establish sustained relationships. We aim to be loving and to respect limits. But even the best of us aren't perfect. And then there are some of us who are rats and don't care who we hurt, emotionally or physically.

And you know what? This makes us just like the rest of the world. Some of us are so dumb we go along with anything; and some of us are so mean, we take advantage of that. In what realm of humanity do you not meet people who fit this description?

There is no evidence of a higher rate of violence or abuse in our Community. If anything, we are less likely to continue cycles of violence or abuse (see the BDSM/fetish survey for details). The SM Community stands in contrast to the vanilla world, where violence begets violence, and abuse (of children, spouses, lovers, and others) is so rampant that family courts can't keep up with their caseloads. People who fuck up bad in the SM Scene get disgraced and banished. Where do they go? Back into vanilla-land, of course, where prey is plenty, punishments nil and invisibility easy.

Had slavemaster been caught a few years ago, before he'd logged onto the Net, he'd be assailed as a serial killer who preyed on naive women. Editors wouldn't assign feature stories which speculated on whether vanilla sex leads to murder. They wouldn't run out to interview spokespeople for the vanilla world to explain how rape and sex are different, and to claim that REAL vanilla people engage only in consensual, loving encounters.

To consign cruelty, violence, murderous impulses, and, yes, even sadomasochistic sex uniquely to the realm of BDSMers is ludicrous and dishonest. What we have here is not a sadomasochist who is a serial killer, but a serial killer who preyed upon our Community. Perhaps he thought, as so many "clueless chudwahs" do, that a submissive is someone who will obey anyone, go anywhere, do anything for anyone who uses the handle "Master" or "Mistress." The perception is wide-spread because some submissives act exactly that way. But they don't act that way because they're sadomasochists; they act that way because they are naive, or foolish, or immature, or self-destructive--in other words, because they are exactly like vanilla crime victims.

Humanity's capacity for evil angers me to the core. I'm angry that two submissives were gulled and then murdered. It chills me to imagine their sweet expectations of pleasure changed to abject terror when they realized their mistake. But what makes me even angrier is that this story has given the enemies of sexual freedom an opportunity to revile us, to prod their bony fingers into our culture, to re-enforce bizarre and demeaning stereotypes about us and--worst of all--to make some people feel like they have to justify our sexual identities to others.

This whole thing reminds of me of the Ted Bundy case. If you recall, Bundy was a convicted serial killer who claimed, shortly before his execution, that he had been corrupted by SM pornography. His "sadomasochism made me do it" argument was about as persuasive as David Berkowitz's "the dog made me do it" one. Yet media pundits eagerly embraced Bundy's theory. Here was a death-row inmate, a pathological liar who not only deceived every single human he ever came in contact with but who was making a full-court press to save his own ass, and they believed him! Talking heads bobbed up in every media cauldron to argue the evils of That Which We Do. For years after, Bundy's name was linked with SM.

What a sham. What a lie. What a fucking shame.

Folks, let's try something new. Let's put an end to apologizing for being who we are and doing what we do. Let's stop feeling responsible when someone who likes SM sex turns out to be a murderer; or when a murderer turns out to like SM sex. Let's quit thinking that being an SMer means you always have to say you're sorry.

 

[High-Tied]

I will leave karma to a higher power.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Lethal Injection.

A short drop and a swing.

Snap, crackle, POP.

A bullet in the head.

I would personally push the plunger, pull the lever, flip the switch or squeeze the trigger.

John Robinson killed my friend Suzette Trouten. May his soul rot in Hell forever.

 

[graceanne]

Lethal Injection.

A short drop and a swing.

Snap, crackle, POP.

A bullet in the head.

I would personally push the plunger, pull the lever, flip the switch or squeeze the trigger.

John Robinson killed my friend Suzette Trouten. May his soul rot in Hell forever.

Oh, honey. *hugs* I am so sorry. Believe it or not, I understand. I know a man who I don't think hell is bad enough for.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Oh, honey. *hugs* I am so sorry. Believe it or not, I understand. I know a man who I don't think hell is bad enough for.

thank you gracie... *smiles softly* There are times when I would gladly unleash my inner sadist with no thought of control, limits or regrets. John Robinson is at the top of my list of potential play partners for _that_ scene. I'll gladly pencil in your selection at number 2.

 

[graceanne]

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=349622

The difference is he got away scott free.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

*nods* Scratch the pencil. He's inked in 2nd place behind Robinson.

{{{{{{{{{HUG}}}}}}}}}} I'm sorry you lost your friend like that hon.

And like others expressed on that thread, I firmly believe that karma will come to him.

 

[graceanne]

*nods* Scratch the pencil. He's inked in 2nd place behind Robinson.

{{{{{{{{{HUG}}}}}}}}}} I'm sorry you lost your friend like that hon.

And like others expressed on that thread, I firmly believe that karma will come to him.

Thanks. *hugs*

 

[Bandit58]

Some more to add to the list:

Snowtown Murders

Another one I'd like to see added was this woman in NZ recently released from prison. She'd killed her two year old niece.

The Tragedy of Lillybing

Interesting this thread should start only a couple of days after I bought a book about John Robinson. I wasn't aware that his crimes took place so recently

 

[graceanne]

Their are too many people alive who deserve death. *sigh* Or at least castration by slow painful means.

 

[Salendire]

Their are too many people alive who deserve death. *sigh* Or at least castration by slow painful means.

Castration with a rubber mallet. THAT would take a LONG time to do.

And it would be rather painful.

 

[DVS]

...Interesting this thread should start only a couple of days after I bought a book about John Robinson. I wasn't aware that his crimes took place so recently

Yes, his crimes were spread out over a long period of time. Not as long as BTK stalked Wichita, but at the least, over 15 years.