Will he be held accountable?

[SeaCat]

Last year Pastor Terry Jones threatened to burn the Quoran. Because of the outcry he didn't burn the book and he promised not to do so in the future.

Well he lied, even though he knew people would react.

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/25...oversees-Quran-burning-outside-Florida-church

Now there has been a reaction and more than a couple of people have died because of his actions. Will this lieing Pastor be held accountable for his actions? (probably not.)

Cat

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

We dont live in Afghanistan, Dipstick. Where'd you ever get the idea we gotta play by their rules?

 

[rgraham666]

Pastor Jones is in for a big surprise when he shuffles off this mortal coil.

 

[oggbashan]

The reaction in Afghanistan was predictable even if the town where it happened was one of the least likely.

What is saddening is that Pastor Jones' actions greviously offend many people who have no interest in violence. His act has made the US troops' task in Afghanistan more difficult and made it harder for moderate Muslims to confront the extremists.

The impact of burning the Koran will be seen by many as an ultimate act of desecration. I'm finding it difficult to find something that would be considered comparable - burning the original of the Declaration of Independence perhaps?

Og

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Jackass, a complete jackass. Unfortunately, there is no U.S. law that he violated. Maybe if some of the UN personnel's families were to take it personally . . .?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The Muslims use the incident as an excuse for violence, and their violence exposes their game of world domination.

 

[Dragonlipz]

Last year Pastor Terry Jones threatened to burn the Quoran. Because of the outcry he didn't burn the book and he promised not to do so in the future.

Well he lied, even though he knew people would react.

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/25...oversees-Quran-burning-outside-Florida-church

Now there has been a reaction and more than a couple of people have died because of his actions. Will this lieing Pastor be held accountable for his actions? (probably not.)

Cat

CAT: typical attention whore - Terry Jones, Donald Trump, Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, Mohmar Ghaddafi, AmiCoot, Snooki, etc.................

 

[Boxlicker101]

I think of the Koran, by whatever spelling, as being just a book, although a holy book, and therefore just a thing of cardboard and fabric and glue and paper and ink. As a holy book, I would not desecrate it, but I would also not attach any reverence to it, any more than I do to any other holy book or any other kind of book or any other object, including a cross, a flag, a crucifix, etc.

I realize there are many who feel different about the things I just mentioned. I would say that is their problem, but when it induces them to go on a murder spree, that makes it everybody's problem.

BTW, I have seen photos or videos of Muslims burning or otherwise desecrating the US or British flag. I wonder what they think of somebody burning the Koran.

To some Americans, it's almost the same thing. It is legal but, as far as I am concerned, it's something that should not be done.

I wonder hor many Korans were in the Twin Towers on 9/11/2001.

 

[Dragonlipz]

I think of the Koran, by whatever spelling, as being just a book, although a holy book, and therefore just a thing of cardboard and fabric and glue and paper and ink. As a holy book, I would not desecrate it, but I would also not attach any reverence to it, any more than I do to any other holy book or any other kind of book or any other object, including a cross, a flag, a crucifix, etc.

I realize there are many who feel different about the things I just mentioned. I would say that is their problem, but when it induces them to go on a murder spree, that makes it everybody's problem.

BTW, I have seen photos or videos of Muslims burning or otherwise desecrating the US or British flag. I wonder what they think of somebody burning the Koran.

To some Americans, it's almost the same thing. It is legal but, as far as I am concerned, it's something that should not be done.

I wonder hor many Korans were in the Twin Towers on 9/11/2001.

Stick to the porn..........and whatever tea-bag stuff you smoke.......

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
I think of the Koran, by whatever spelling, as being just a book, although a holy book, and therefore just a thing of cardboard and fabric and glue and paper and ink. As a holy book, I would not desecrate it, but I would also not attach any reverence to it, any more than I do to any other holy book or any other kind of book or any other object, including a cross, a flag, a crucifix, etc.

I realize there are many who feel different about the things I just mentioned. I would say that is their problem, but when it induces them to go on a murder spree, that makes it everybody's problem.

BTW, I have seen photos or videos of Muslims burning or otherwise desecrating the US or British flag. I wonder what they think of somebody burning the Koran.

To some Americans, it's almost the same thing. It is legal but, as far as I am concerned, it's something that should not be done.

I wonder hor many Korans were in the Twin Towers on 9/11/2001.

Stick to the porn..........and whatever tea-bag stuff you smoke.......

I am not condoning anything; I am merely expressing an opinion and speculating. The guy in the OP should not have done what he did, but that is because it endangered American lives, not because he did anything all that wrong.

Now, let me ask you something: If a woman does something that pisses off her husband, does that make it okay for him to beat her up? That's a rhetoric question, because of course it doesn't. Now, I'll ask you another one. If an American does something that pisses off some people in Afghanistan, does that make it okay for them to kill a lot of other Americans?

 

[Dragonlipz]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
I think of the Koran, by whatever spelling, as being just a book, although a holy book, and therefore just a thing of cardboard and fabric and glue and paper and ink. As a holy book, I would not desecrate it, but I would also not attach any reverence to it, any more than I do to any other holy book or any other kind of book or any other object, including a cross, a flag, a crucifix, etc.

I realize there are many who feel different about the things I just mentioned. I would say that is their problem, but when it induces them to go on a murder spree, that makes it everybody's problem.

BTW, I have seen photos or videos of Muslims burning or otherwise desecrating the US or British flag. I wonder what they think of somebody burning the Koran.

To some Americans, it's almost the same thing. It is legal but, as far as I am concerned, it's something that should not be done.

I wonder hor many Korans were in the Twin Towers on 9/11/2001.




I am not condoning anything; I am merely expressing an opinion and speculating. The guy in the OP should not have done what he did, but that is because it endangered American lives, not because he did anything all that wrong.

Now, let me ask you something: If a woman does something that pisses off her husband, does that make it okay for him to beat her up? That's a rhetoric question, because of course it doesn't. Now, I'll ask you another one. If an American does something that pisses off some peo[ple in Afghanistan, does that make it okay for them to kill a lot of other Americans?

In your world it does.............

 

[Boxlicker101]

In your world it does.............

Now you're just being silly.

 

[vrosej10]

It's a pretty damn disrespectful thing to do but killing people over it (other than the arsehole who did it) is an over reaction but unsurprising. I wonder what would happen to a bunch of American Muslims who burnt bible is a major American city?

 

[Boxlicker101]

It's a pretty damn disrespectful thing to do but killing people over it (other than the arsehole who did it) is an over reaction but unsurprising. I wonder what would happen to a bunch of American Muslims who burnt bible is a major American city?

Probably nothing, unless they were actually breaking some law, such as building a huge fire in the middle of the street, or something like that. Otherwise, a few people would scowl, but that's about all.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Afghanistan isnt Kansas, and Americans need to make the distinction in their minds. America isnt all things to all people. Next time the ragheads might use some other American practice as an excuse to kill and riot, and CAT will be back whining about whatever we did that upset them...maybe gambling or alcohol use or porn sites.

 

[Handley_Page]

That Pastor is a fool at best.
He should be taken to task over his actions.

 

[oggbashan]

It's a pretty damn disrespectful thing to do but killing people over it (other than the arsehole who did it) is an over reaction but unsurprising. I wonder what would happen to a bunch of American Muslims who burnt bible is a major American city?

To some Muslims any copy of the Koran is a very holy object to be treated with extreme respect at all times. Most Christians would not regard a Bible that way. A Bible is just a copy of a book that can be replaced.

It is difficult to express a parallel for the extreme veneration felt by some Muslims for a copy of the Koran.

That veneration can be exploited by extremist preachers to orchestrate violence but those preachers can use any excuse to generate riots. Before the attacks loudspeaker vans were touring the district stating that hundreds or thousands of copies of the Koran had been burned.

Og

 

[LettersFromTatyana]

To some Muslims any copy of the Koran is a very holy object to be treated with extreme respect at all times. Most Christians would not regard a Bible that way. A Bible is just a copy of a book that can be replaced.

Let me introduce you to the nuns I had in elementary school....

To many Catholics (and maybe others; I don't know) the Bible has to be treated with respect. It can't be placed face down, and other books can't be stacked on top of it. Like flags, if it has reached the end of it's life, there are procedures for getting rid of it; you can't throw it in the trash. Or at least that is what the good Sisters told me.

There might be other rules, but frankly, I'm happy I can't remember any more. To this day, I can't place a Bible under a pile of books (moving is a PAIN). Three cheers for internalized discipline, I guess?

I saw the "most" in your post so I assume you know this, but I thought I should add this. Even though I have no real love for the Bible and think that people should have the freedom to burn a Bible, it would make me very uncomfortable, to say the least.

 

[GermanGoddess]

There are a few problems with "holding him accountable".
-It's going to be hard to show causation. (http://www.lexisnexis.com/lawschool/study/outlines/html/crim/crim04.htm <-- linking that is easier than explaining)
-It would hinder our freedom of speech. We can burn Bibles, we can burn the American flag, etc as long as we're not directly hurting anyone (eg, throwing the burning things at people). It's hard to protect one holy book and not start protecting a bunch of other things. Above all our right to free speech should be protected, even if this guy's actions are something most of us wouldn't agree with or condone.

 

[oggbashan]

Let me introduce you to the nuns I had in elementary school....

To many Catholics (and maybe others; I don't know) the Bible has to be treated with respect. It can't be placed face down, and other books can't be stacked on top of it. Like flags, if it has reached the end of it's life, there are procedures for getting rid of it; you can't throw it in the trash. Or at least that is what the good Sisters told me.

There might be other rules, but frankly, I'm happy I can't remember any more. To this day, I can't place a Bible under a pile of books (moving is a PAIN). Three cheers for internalized discipline, I guess?

I saw the "most" in your post so I assume you know this, but I thought I should add this. Even though I have no real love for the Bible and think that people should have the freedom to burn a Bible, it would make me very uncomfortable, to say the least.

I can understand that, which is why I wrote "most". At the time of the Reformation many Christians were opposed to publication of translations of the Bible, not just because it took authority away from the priests, but because they considered that the text needed skilled interpretation. They were afraid that uniformed people might get incorrect messages from the text on its own.

Until the middle of the 19th Century, books, any books, were treated with respect because they were rare and expensive. The Bible was treated very carefully and is still used to give the oath by witnesses in court trials.

However, I don't think that the Bible was ever treated with as much veneration as the Jewish Torah or the Muslim's Koran can be.

The Koran can be seen as the actual words of God. The Bible is not. It is a human production that might quote the words of God. In the Bible only passages such as the Ten Commandments and Jesus' reported words are the actual words of God.

As one woman activist has put it, the trouble with the Koran is that over the last few hundred years it has been consistently explained and translated by men. A male-dominant bias has coloured the original text to justify practices that were not there except by quoting out of context. Of course there are things in the original that reflect the time at which it was written but the role of women in the Koran and other early Muslim texts has been underplayed.

As a former secondhand bookdealer I have had to consider the prejudices of other people. Some objected to me selling secondhand copies of the Bible even though a new bookshop might have several different versions on display. If I had any copies of the Koran and Jewish texts I would keep them in the back room and only sell them to someone who specifically asked. I certainly wouldn't put a copy of the Koran next to Salman Rushdie even though I would happily sell both.

Og

 

[manyeyedhydra]

I hate the assholes on both sides trying to drag us into their stupid religious war. I'd rather we shipped them all off to a field somewhere and gave them some axes and clubs to bash each other's skulls in while the rest of us lived our lives in peace.

Maybe someone should start a donation page to fly Pastor Terry Jones out to Afghanistan. Let's see how keen he is to give his 'divine' message in person.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I hate the assholes on both sides trying to drag us into their stupid religious war. I'd rather we shipped them all off to a field somewhere and gave them some axes and clubs to bash each other's skulls in while the rest of us lived our lives in peace.

Maybe someone should start a donation page to fly Pastor Terry Jones out to Afghanistan. Let's see how keen he is to give his 'divine' message in person.

Better yet, fly the ragheads here to kill people! Wait! We already do that.

Our Usual Suspects believe that burning one book justifies murdering innocent people.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Better yet, fly the ragheads here to kill people! Wait! We already do that.

Our Usual Suspects believe that burning one book justifies murdering innocent people.

I wouldn't go quite that far, but some of them do blame this southern pastor for murders fanatics are committing thousands of miles away, because the pastor did something the killers find objectionable.

Personally, I believe if people commit evil deeds, they are responsible for those evil deeds, NOT somebody else who did something to get them riled up.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Everyone on the planet has a problem with one thing or another, yet Americans didnt cut throats after the ragheads flew planes into the Wortld Trade Center and Pentagon. We're deliberative assholes rather than wild & crazy assholes.

 

[GinaTina]

The Pastor was being a real life troll.. But, he also has the right to freedom of speech/expression.


His actions aren't harming anyone. It may be offensive but..... PFFFFT! We've turned into a nation of pansies.

"WAAAAH! You said something that hurt my feelings. You should never say that again."

Makes me ill.



Freedom of speech is the right to voice your opinion even though others may not want to hear it.


Don't like what he's doing? Ignore him - unless it directly affects you and yours.