Will America join the 21st Century?

[gotsnowgotslush]

Will America start to look like China?

Everything has changed about the world, since December 31, 2000

What is China doing, to attract jobs to China?
China has a national policy to attract jobs to China.
China has a strategy to attract industry to China.
China provides access to capital for new industries.
China provides a partner for each new industry.
China offers support for new industries.
China offers deals, breaks and subsidies for investors.
China has been grabbing jobs from other countries for a long time.
China robs technology. Uses research and development done by others.
China has the biggest, fastest, latest, greatest, most technologically advanced for private industry.

China treats Chinese citizens worse than machines.
China does not give Chinese people freedom of choice.
China does not have a Constitution.
Chinese law is more corrupt than American law.
China does not have an EPA to protect people-
(See: children sitting in the mud, ripping apart American computers with their bare hands. Lead, cadmium, mercury, chromium, polyvinyl chloride.)
China is based on lies. The top officials lie to the Chinese people. The Chinese people lie to Chinese officials (by omission?) to survive.
Blame a history of Communism that went corrupt and dishonest from the beginning.

The Tea Party insists that American Labor Unions stand in the way of success.
The Tea Party points to Solynndra as a failure of investing taxpayer money.
The Tea Party did not look at why Solyndra failed.

"Meanwhile, House Republicans are gloating about cutting the $4 billion green energy innovation program by $1.5 billion."

"While last year, China subsidized its solar panel industry to the tune of $30 billion. While America’s leaders play politics, China grabs the jobs."

Could President Obama have forseen what would happen to our efforts in competing with China over green technology jobs?

Investors are not investing in America. They are investing in exploiting America.

September 21, 2011

Jennifer Granholm

"We never came out of the 2002 recession. Why? Because the structure of our economy has changed -- in Michigan, but around the country -- because of globalization. And the Republicans are operating as though the old theories of 20th century -- which may have worked fine if -- when we were in a closed -- a more-closed system -- but with globalization, knowing our economic competitors are out there gunning for us every single day. Hu Jintao tells Bush in his primary -- in his primary -- uh, in his -- in his biography, that he wakes up every morning trying to figure out how to create 25 million jobs a year for his people. Well, when we've got competitors like that --
They're gonna be pulling jobs away. So the structure of our nation's economy has changed. And the issue is what are we gonna do to be able to create jobs in America, in a global economy? How do you crack the code to be able to do that? And the Republicans' solution is just to cut taxes and shrink government. And that's not the solution that's gonna work.

"But if we could just stop playing gotcha for a second, we might realize that federal loan programs — especially loans for innovative energy technologies — virtually require the government to take risks the private sector won’t take. Indeed, risk-taking is what these programs are all about. Sometimes, the risks pay off. Other times, they don’t. It’s not a taxpayer ripoff if you don’t bat 1.000; on the contrary, a zero failure rate likely means that the program is too risk-averse."

"Over all, the American solar industry is a big success story; it now employs more people than either steel or coal, and it’s a net exporter. But solar panel manufacturing — a potential source of middle-class jobs, and an important reason the White House was so high on Solyndra, which made its panels in Fremont, Calif. — is another story. Not so long ago, China made 6 percent of the world’s solar panels. Now it makes 54 percent, and leads the world in solar panel manufacturing."

The Phony Solyndra Scandal
September 23, 2011

Federal loan programs virtually require the government to take risks the private sector won’t take.
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/index.html

Former Gov. Jennifer Granholm on GOP’s failure to help the economy

http://current.com/shows/countdown/...-granholm-on-gops-failure-to-help-the-economy

It’s not easy being green: Creating a green economy in Michigan
Jennifer Granholm on the challenges for green jobs

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-kno...ng-green-jobs-the-american-garage-sale/11638/

Maria Hinojosa is this week’s guest host for Need to Know as we look at the future of “green jobs” in the U.S. As the Obama administration continue to support and invest in green technologies as a path to job creation, competition from other countries is making it difficult for some of these businesses to take off in the U.S. We visit Greenville, Michigan, to see the challenges it faces in trying to revitalize itself and create a new economy for green jobs.

 

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Some folks are just born fluffers...

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

"In a globalized world, the U.S. economy will not thrive unless we get serious about targeting strategically important sectors of the economy. The rest of the world is playing the economic development game for keeps, while the U.S. seems willing to abandon the board all together."

"We operate as though we are not in a global economy," says Granholm. "In theory, free markets and laissez faire make perfect sense, but in practice, our competitors are eating us for lunch."

-Jennifer Granholm, the former governor of Michigan

http://www.salon.com/technology/how_the_world_works/2011/09/19/jennifer_granholm

"The broader context around the Solyndra decision is that the nation was on the brink of a depression and the Obama administration was attempting to move as quickly as possible to pump money into the economy that would not only stimulate economic growth, but also serve the larger agendas of creating green jobs and combat the challenge of climate change. If mistakes get made in the pursuit of that agenda, can't reasonable people accept them as the cost of doing business?"

But there's an even larger context. China will shortly roll out its 12th five-year-plan for renewable energy deployment-

"The U.S. media is abuzz over last week’s bankruptcy of thin-film solar manufacturer Solyndra LLC, with some conservative politicians trying to use the demise of the start-up to argue against federal financing for green energy. But the Chin"se media is focusing on a far more important solar power development: two major energy plans that will lay the policy road-map for China’s clean energy development over the next decade-"

"The first is the 12th Five Year Plan for Renewable Energy Development, covering 2011 to 2015, which focuses on sources of renewable energy such as hydropower, wind, solar, and biomass. The second is the Emerging Energy Industry Development Plan, covering 2011 to 2020, which also includes nuclear energy, clean coal, smart grid, and alternative fuel for new-energy vehicles."

"And here in America? We also suffer from an over-reliance on fossil fuels, and we also need higher-wage green collar jobs.

Unlike the Chinese, however, our policymakers are not quite so forward-looking."

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/09/09/313747/chinas-new-plan-for-solar-power-supremacy/

http://www.salon.com/technology/how_the_world_works/2011/09/23/china_and_solyndra

{gsgs comment- In America, we are busy with a tug of war. China's government is single minded in it's persuit of success.}

 

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[renard_ruse]

As usual, the liberal identifies a real problem then proceeds down a totally wrong path in analyzing the problem and not suprisingly comes to a totally wrong conclusion (or no real conclusion at all as in this thread).

What the US needs is neither "free" trade based "laissez-faire" nor some sort of mercantilist national economic strategy. What it needs is IMPORT TARIFFS to equalize the economic playing field with lower paying labor markets to revive our industry.

Its something populist nationalists such as Buchanan, Perot, and others have said for many many years. Now, when its clear our economy is in the crapper, its time their warnings not have been in vain. We don't need new liberal concocted "solutions" that aren't solutions at all. We simply need TARIFFS to BRING BACK OUR INDUSTRY from overseas, not internal socialism or a guided economy domestically. Its really not complicated.

 

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Blowfishes...

 

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[mercury14]

As usual, the liberal identifies a real problem then proceeds down a totally wrong path in analyzing the problem and not suprisingly comes to a totally wrong conclusion (or no real conclusion at all as in this thread).

What the US needs is neither "free" trade based "laissez-faire" nor some sort of mercantilist national economic strategy. What it needs is IMPORT TARIFFS to equalize the economic playing field with lower paying labor markets to revive our industry.

Its something populist nationalists such as Buchanan, Perot, and others have said for many many years. Now, when its clear our economy is in the crapper, its time their warnings not have been in vain. We don't need new liberal concocted "solutions" that aren't solutions at all. We simply need TARIFFS to BRING BACK OUR INDUSTRY from overseas, not internal socialism or a guided economy domestically. Its really not complicated.

What kind of colossal tariff do you have in mind that will put American manufacturing on any kind of remotely even footing with China?

As usual, the liberal identifies a real problem then proceeds down a totally wrong path in analyzing the problem and not suprisingly comes to a totally wrong conclusion

You realize the conservative way of analyzing the problem is little more than blaming unions, right? Even when we're talking about non-union labor that was sent overseas, somehow it's still some union's fault.

 

[RobDownSouth]

What kind of colossal tariff do you have in mind that will put American manufacturing on any kind of remotely even footing with China?

You realize the conservative way of analyzing the problem is little more than blaming unions, right? Even when we're talking about non-union labor that was sent overseas, somehow it's still some union's fault.

Fringe right retards are always promotin' simplistic solutions that fit on a bumper sticker ("gold standard!" "tariffs!") to complex problems.

America imports three times as much from China as it exports, but tards like Ruse have no clue about the concept of retaliatory tariffs.

 

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[gotsnowgotslush]

15 September 2011

After 9/11, and [with] the rise of Chinese influence and the lack of the annual talks vehicle,
it gave Washington a way to postpone Taiwan's [weapons] requests," he said.

"When China exerted pressure over the US government, there were times when the US asked Taiwan not to file a request."

Mr Huang believes the Obama administration's hands are tied.

"The US does not want to antagonise China. China has made arms sales to Taiwan
the number one irritant of the US-China bilateral relationship," he says.

"This kind of dilemma is bothering the Obama administration. You can cite various reasons:
China's large holdings of US treasury bonds,
collaboration on North Korea, Iran; there are a lot of issues over which
the US doesn't want to antagonise China."

In recent days, China has issued a stern warning to the US, through the Communist Party's People's Daily newspaper,
that US-China relations will be damaged if Mr Obama proceeds with an arms sale to Taiwan.

Is China making threats to America, over the choices America gives to Taiwan?

September 21, 2011

A U.S. decision not to sell Taiwan new F-16 fighter jets is being seen by many U.S. allies in Asia as a sign of China's growing clout.

For a half-century, the U.S. has explicitly and implicitly provided a security umbrella for countries
from Singapore to Japan, helping to keep the peace that has fostered stunning economic growth.

While few of these allies believe the U.S. is lessening its commitment
to the region, they still see Washington's refusal to make the F-16 sale
— privately confirmed by congressional aides Sunday,
and then made public Wednesday —
as showing a new deference to Chinese interests.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14917941
Taiwan produces one motherboard every 0.374 seconds, 24 hours a day.
200,000 per day, about 60 million per year?

For 30 years, Taiwan's economic growth has hinged on making components and products for others,
using a combination of shrewd government policy, incentives for local companies to grow, and
an autocratic government that could channel resources into manufacturing.

For the government, its preferred solution has been to try to block the manufacturing move to China.
Fearing an unemployment surge, Taipei outlawed the manufacturing of high-end semiconductors by
Taiwan companies on the mainland as of 2001, saying it would review applications on a case-by-case basis-
Tung Chen-yuan expects the continuing restrictions on manufacturing's move to China to go the way
of the dodo before long--once Taipei realizes that it is killing the competitiveness of its
own companies and Cross-Strait trade continues to rise.

Now, Taiwan companies account for about two-thirds of hardware output from mainland China.
Around one million Taiwanese, including investors, factory managers and their families, have
relocated to China. But without direct air links, currently prohibited by Cross-Strait tension,
they must take long and costly detours to China via a third location, such as Hong Kong.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m4070/is_214/ai_n15967019/

 

[mercury14]

But without direct air links, currently prohibited by Cross-Strait tension,
they must take long and costly detours to China via a third location, such as Hong Kong.

That's about a 90-minute flight.

 

[RobDownSouth]

You are monumentally dumb aren't you?

U.S. Exports to China in 2010: 91.9 billion

U.S. Imports from China in 2010: 364.9 billion

https://www.uschina.org/statistics/tradetable.html

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PS: please refrain from judging anyone's intelligence in the future.

You're right, I had them backwards. Enjoy your victory. Unlike you, I readily admit when I am in error..that's what separates me from sniveling cowards such as yourself.

Now then, concerning retaliatory tariffs, do you think America can prosper if exports plummet? Hmmm?

 

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[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Then after placing your tariffs, where will you sell your goods and services you produced under their protection?

What you do is build a factory in China to sell to the Chinese market, and build a factory in America to sell to the American market. Plenty of foreign companies already do this here in America. Back when Franco ruled Spain if you wanted to sell Coca Cola or Fords in Spain you built a factory there.

Our American standard of living and military are huge tax burdens most nations dont have. And when you import a Ford or Coca Cola from a shithole you erode our standard of living and military readiness.

 

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[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Actually if we didn't allow the American left to erect a hostile business environment here in the first place, those factories would still be here.

True. Buts thats one more part of the problem. We really have a perfect storm of multiple factors in crisis.

The liberals are magical thinkers, and magical thinkers are psychotic.

Somewhere along the line we're gonna hafta lock our leaders in the basement til we get things in hand again.

 

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[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Lock some of them out of the process with our vote.

Thats kinda what the tea party has in mind but they need to be aggressive about it.

 

[Shagly]

Some folks are just born fluffers...

After W.W. II, yes.

 

[renard_ruse]

Then after placing your tariffs, where will you sell your goods and services you produced under their protection?

Among the 310 million Americans to start, then anywhere else that we can.

I'm not avocating protective tariffs but fair trade. If you want to build something in a country where wages are comparable to the US, then no tariff. If the going wage is .10 an hour then you have to pay a tariff to make up the difference.

 

[Shagly]

America is sold out.

Next.

 

[renard_ruse]

Fringe right retards are always promotin' simplistic solutions that fit on a bumper sticker ("gold standard!" "tariffs!") to complex problems.

America imports three times as much from China as it exports, but tards like Ruse have no clue about the concept of retaliatory tariffs.

Ruse is not "fringe." Sorry, he's mainstream.

Tariffs are traditionally an economic left idea. So, now I am taking a left position and being called "fringe right." Hmm, interesting.

 

[mercury14]

Actually if we didn't allow the American left to erect a hostile business environment here in the first place, those factories would still be here.

Per capita income in Bangladesh: $641

Per capita income in India: $1,265

Per capita income in the USA: $39,945


THAT is the reason for outsourcing. Not your nebulous crap about hostile work environments.

 

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