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Good fuckin' God, I hope not! I deliberately went out of my way to marry a guy who was the complete opposite of my father. Any guy who reminds me of my dad has me getting out the shot gun....Elizabetht said:13. They remind us of our dads.
Not really. It's cooling off and getting perspective until you realize it wasn't as much of a problem that you first thought.matriarch said:8. Their ability to solve problems simply by throwing a ball around. That's not solving, that's hiding.
Unless I get to throw the ball at the problem, that's minus one man-point for me.Elizabetht said:8. Their ability to solve problems simply by throwing a ball around.
Actually, Mat, the ironic thing about this one is that 99% of the time, the man is protecting a woman from other menmatriarch said:12. They make excellent companions when driving through rough neighborhoods or walking past dark alleys. I may give you that one, but again, it's an individual thing. Depends on the size of the man or woman.
I'm so with you! Let's go throw some balls.Liar said:However...Unless I get to throw the ball at the problem, that's minus one man-point for me.![]()
3113 said:But I seriously doubt these points were supposed to be analyzed in such a manner. We're supposed to take them poetically and humorously, as a gentle reflection of one sex on the other.
matriarch said:I suggest that whoever wrote this needs to spend some serious time with real women. Very few of these observations are exclusive to men. Believe me.
But there's laying your cheek against newly shaved other places.matriarch said:5. Chest hair, forearm hair and the feel of a newly shaved cheek. I'll give you this one. *blink*.
Belegon said:My Queen, I love you...
...but I am left wondering why you felt it was necessary to point all this out? There are really so very few positive discussions about gender differences that happen here. It's almost always referenced as a negative.
Your responses to 3, 4 and 28 make me hope I'm overreacting... but it is rather scary to see a voice for temperance and diversity speaking up to refute positives instead of negatives.
Please tell me I'm being way too over-sensitive about this?
I like to celebrate the feminine in men and the masculine in women-- AND the masculine in men and the feminine in women.SelenaKittyn said:As such, I think it's sweet and generally true...
the masculine and feminine are different... nothing wrong with celebrating or acknowledging those differences...
in either gender...![]()
Belegon said:There are really so very few positive discussions about gender differences that happen here. It's almost always referenced as a negative.
Vermilion said:I think, perhaps, a *little* over-sensitive... I think Mat wanted to promote the positives of women and F/F relationships, rather than negate men and M/F relationships
There's positives (and negatives, believe me) to men and women...
My favourite thing about men is how they put up this tough exterior, but things like baby nephews and injured animals make them go all squishy... well, mine in particular
My favourite thing about women is the way you can be just introduced to a woman, but still find things to talk to them about - even if you've not much in common - because being female forges a connection, even if nothing else does
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I agree, and I don't blame you, and I too wish things were very different. AS far as I'm concerned, things ARE different. Me and you, Bel-- who else is with us?Belegon said:Sometimes I do worry about the dynamics of this board. Seriously. Just to play Devil's Advocate for a moment... Do you really think that this board has a dearth of reflection on the positives of a F/F relationship?
... and I certainly know that Mat, of all people here or anywhere, is one of the most open-minded and loving of people... that's just one of the reasons I do love her.
But at the risk of being shouted down... sometimes I get tired of being defensive about being male. This board gets filled at times with guys apologizing for their gender, especially when a het male does something atrocious and it's in the news.
It's sad that Mat should feel a need to make a statement. It's sadder that I should feel a need to respond.
lucky-E-leven said:I really appreciate the effects of testosterone whether they're more often seen in men than women or not. There's something incredible about being so close to your animal nature. I love the way they're typically very physical. I love to see rugged old hands, full of strength, and complete with hairy knuckles holding the delicate ceramic handle of a coffee cup. I love that men understand the need to provide protection is often very physical but sometimes just mental. I think men often get labeled as being stupid or aloof when emotions run high, but my experience is that their choice to hold someone in silence is usually due to an in depth understanding that they're not equipped with any number of words to soothe ... no one would be, and that's okay with them. I appreciate the struggle in a man's body as he handles a newborn child. It's truly amazing to see him strain against himself to not be strong at that moment and just to cradle. Maybe my favorite thing about men is that they have what it takes to be first class Dads. Ask most little girls. Whether or not their experience was good or bad, no matter how amazing their single-parent mom was, nearly everyone really wanted a Dad to be their champion, protector, provider, and loyal subject.
Men are unique in so many ways, and the world just wouldn't be the same without them.
All that, and lesbians need their sperm to have kids. *shrug*
KIDDING!
Stella_Omega said:I agree, and I don't blame you, and I too wish things were very different. AS far as I'm concerned, things ARE different. Me and you, Bel-- who else is with us?![]()
matriarch said:It was never my intention to denegrate or negate the essential contribution of the male gender to our society.....I hope those of you who know me, know better than that.
It was merely my intention to point out that although the heading was 'Why women love men', most of those positives could also have been applied to women....not to negate men, but simply to show that in many areas of our living and loving, we aspire to, look for, and love the same things.
*sigh*
Many of you know that I was married for 32 years to one of the kindest, gentlest men alive, who is still a good and close friend. That I have two sons of who I am inexpressibly proud and love deeply. My father has always been my hero, and always will.
I don't hate men, I don't hate women. I don't love women, I don't love men.
I DO love people.
I don't think I can say any more, I've obviously already said too much.
*Retiring from the thread*.
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Everyone knows that your life is just a leetle bit more stressful than usual, Bel.Belegon said:See, that's exactly why I usually keep my mouth shut on such things. Now someone I genuinely love has her feelings hurt.
Belegon said:See, that's exactly why I usually keep my mouth shut on such things. Now someone I genuinely love has her feelings hurt.