Why Islam is such a popular religion...

[p_p_man]

it keeps the poor and uneducated in a life of servitude and allows the rich to have free rein to do what they want...

And we all know that he who pays the piper calls the tune...

ppman

 

[koalabear]

I believe the number one reason is, goat fucking is legal there.

 

[HeavyStick]

You're an idiot, p p man

Read the Koran, it preaches peace.

It is a very open verse scripture allowing a great degree of interpretation and allowing the shepherd to lead the flock to the pasture of thier choosing. People with weak minds are easily influenced.

 

[bored1]

it keeps the poor and uneducated in a life of servitude and allows the rich to have free rein to do what they want...

And we all know that he who pays the piper calls the tune...

ppman

And all this time I thought it was the virgin thing...............

 

[p_p_man]

You're an idiot, p p man

Read the Koran, it preaches peace.

And written by the rich...

ppman

 

[HeavyStick]

And written by the rich...

ppman

you're still an idiot, where is you're proof that is was written by the wealthy. You don't have any. Muslims will tell you there is no ONE true interpertation of the Koran/Qu'ran, just a widely accepted version.

I don't agree with how extremist accept the Koran. but it's scrpiture is peaceful in intention.

 

[Honey_B]

Finally a topic on the general board that I can respond to...

Darlin', the Quaran was not written by the wealthy. It was "written" by a illiterate merchant named Mohammad. His only wealth came from what his wife and employer, Khadeja, gave him. The Quaran allowed women the right to own property for the first time. It preached not only tolerance but respect for Judaism and Christianity. It recommended standards of cleanliness and hygeine that wouldn't be seen in Europe for centuries. I could go on, but I fear you will not listen, as the ignorant tend to turn a deaf ear to reason.

 

[Eumenides]

Finally a topic on the general board that I can respond to...

Darlin', the Quaran was not written by the wealthy. It was "written" by a illiterate merchant named Mohammad. His only wealth came from what his wife and employer, Khadeja, gave him. The Quaran allowed women the right to own property for the first time. It preached not only tolerance but respect for Judaism and Christianity. It recommended standards of cleanliness and hygeine that wouldn't be seen in Europe for centuries. I could go on, but I fear you will not listen, as the ignorant tend to turn a deaf ear to reason.

Eloquent and well put. Not to mention supported with fact. I would add, but now I don't have to. Thank you, HoneyB

 

[crystalhunting]

it keeps the poor and uneducated in a life of servitude and allows the rich to have free rein to do what they want...

And we all know that he who pays the piper calls the tune...

ppman

I sincerly hope this is satire PPman........and what you said above is INCORRECT.





CH

 

[crystalhunting]

I believe the number one reason is, goat fucking is legal there.

This is another FABRICATION.....show me in where the Holy Quran it says this....cause it DOESNT...





CH

 

[crystalhunting]

Finally a topic on the general board that I can respond to...

Darlin', the Quaran was not written by the wealthy. It was "written" by a illiterate merchant named Mohammad. His only wealth came from what his wife and employer, Khadeja, gave him. The Quaran allowed women the right to own property for the first time. It preached not only tolerance but respect for Judaism and Christianity. It recommended standards of cleanliness and hygeine that wouldn't be seen in Europe for centuries. I could go on, but I fear you will not listen, as the ignorant tend to turn a deaf ear to reason.

Now this is correct...Shukran{thank you}



CH

 

[sch00lteacher]

It encourages peace, yet rewards those who kill in the name of Allah. 9/11/01

The bible says, Thou shall not kill.

Not, Thou shall not kill Christians, but ragheads are okay...




I'd venture a guess that the majority of Muslims couldn't read the Qu'ran if their life depended on it. They depend upon others to read it to them. Here is where we get into trouble.

 

[Lost Cause]

If the Koran teaches peace...

Why are we over there? Why the "code of silence" by all the "peaceful" bastards when we ask for help to find the "minority" terrorist criminals? Whatever the reason, they're dead meat by their own doing.

The principal writings I'm concerned with are;

FM 31-20 Doctrine for Special Forces Operations
FM 31-21 Guerrilla Warfare and Special Forces Operations

*Peace through superior firepower.

 

[sigh]

It encourages peace, yet rewards those who kill in the name of Allah. 9/11/01

The bible says, Thou shall not kill.

Not, Thou shall not kill Christians, but ragheads are okay...

Many fanatic Christians in the past have killed innocents in the name of God. And yet Jesus was a teacher of peace too.

Let's not forget that.

 

[sch00lteacher]

That isn't my point. The bible condems all killing. No excuse.

The Qu'ran doesn't.

 

[sigh]

That isn't my point. The bible condems all killing. No excuse.

The Qu'ran doesn't.

And you missed mine. I was pointing out (though perhaps too briefly) that fanatics exist within all groups and certainly don't represent the norm.

And does the Bible condemn all killings? I'm not so sure. Seems the Old Testament was rather full of it.

 

[OUTSIDER]

it keeps the poor and uneducated in a life of servitude and allows the rich to have free rein to do what they want...

And we all know that he who pays the piper calls the tune...

ppman

Much as our own class system does over here.

P.S. I really do hope you are joking mate cause if your not then your new turn of thought is very disturbing.

 

[crystalhunting]

It encourages peace, yet rewards those who kill in the name of Allah. 9/11/01

The bible says, Thou shall not kill.

Not, Thou shall not kill Christians, but ragheads are okay...




I'd venture a guess that the majority of Muslims couldn't read the Qu'ran if their life depended on it. They depend upon others to read it to them. Here is where we get into trouble.

Dude...What have I ever done to you?...I have ZERO criminal records....and I'm a Muslim,I'm not violent by any definition...Is it that easy to lump all of us Muslims in one simple category? Are you aware that the concepts of heaven are different in the Islamic world?....Yes virgins and wine are in there.....but killers dont get to one of the 7 heavens...That group of sub-humans are not the whole dang world of Muslims.


You are a schollteacher correct?...Do you say this to your students?


You know throughout history many that CLAIMED to be christians went on killing sprees....The crusaders for example...consider what they did when they captured Jerusulem

What about Jim Jones and his people in Guiana? He claimed to be a christian as well

In What USED to be Yugoslavica...different christian groups were slaughtering eachother as well as Muslims and others

Nazis used to call themselves Christians as well.



Do you have any idea on how hard it is to be an american muslim at this point?....I'm not a crazy Wahabbi from Saudi Arabia.



Kill the ragheads???!!!???? How would you feel if Christian fanatics did something as horrible as 9/11,and I said kill all the christians,yet all christians wouldnt be responsible...as all Muslims arent responsible for Fanatic Osama Bin Laden.


Are you a christian?....Cause if you are....this talk certainly isnt in line with Christainity.



CH

 

[floridaguy64]

When......In all of history.......

Many fanatic Christians in the past have killed innocents in the name of God. And yet Jesus was a teacher of peace too.

Let's not forget that.

Did any text in the bible call for the slaughter of thousands of innocent souls at one fell swift blow?


The genocide of our fellow man in one event?


The slaughter of children?


This is pure bullshit!...... If Islam is so damn peacefull, how come the Black Panther party of the 60-70's callled for the execution of "whitey" by any means necessary? They claimed to be followers of Islam. Ask Louis Farrakan today.... the leader of the 'Nation of Islam' here in America...... his motto is "KILL THE WHITE MAN BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY"

And they have the nerve to call "Christians" infidels!

GIVE ME A LARGE FUCKING BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd give a peace loving man/woman/child an embrace anytime.... yet these bastards know not peace..... only hatered and war!

 

[crystalhunting]

Re: When......In all of history.......

Did any text in the bible call for the slaughter of thousands of innocent souls at one fell swift blow?


The genocide of our fellow man in one event?


The slaughter of children?


This is pure bullshit!...... If Islam is so damn peacefull, how come the Black Panther party of the 60-70's callled for the execution of "whitey" by any means necessary? They claimed to be followers of Islam. Ask Louis Farrakan today.... the leader of the 'Nation of Islam' here in America...... his motto is "KILL THE WHITE MAN BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY"

And they have the nerve to call "Christians" infidels!

GIVE ME A LARGE FUCKING BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd give a peace loving man/woman/child an embrace anytime.... yet these bastards know not peace..... only hatered and war!

Actually in the Old Testament...some of above is...go read about the fall of the City of Jericho


And also...have you bothered to look into the beliefs of the Farrakan bunch?

Its not Islamic by any means...its sort of like David Koresh if he was a Muslim.....totally crazy and far away


The word "Infidel" isnt a arabic word....the closest to it is "Kafir" and it means someone who doesnt believe in any god whatsoever.


Also...there are plenty of Muslims around the world that AREN'T arabs.


Also I know my father thank you,I'm not a bastard,and I know my mother and honor her



Every Muslims is NOT some bloodthirsty killer out to get christians...in fact very few are.



CH

 

[Lost Cause]

Again, if they're so fucking peaceful...

Why is the WHOLE Muslim world protecting the terrorist killers? Is it because you can bomb a daycare if you're a murderer/martyr? ANY person that professes to believe that it's okay to kill "infidels", is dead already, they just haven't had the air let out of them.... yet.

*Peace through superior firepower.

 

[OUTSIDER]

Re: Again, if they're so fucking peaceful...

Why is the WHOLE Muslim world protecting the terrorist killers? Is it because you can bomb a daycare if you're a murderer/martyr? ANY person that professes to believe that it's okay to kill "infidels", is dead already, they just haven't had the air let out of them.... yet.

*Peace through superior firepower.

Now apply that thinking to a place like Northern Ireland.......should the British army have killed all catholics just because a few were mad bombers ?

 

[Lost Cause]

Yup! Anyone that protects them..

They didn't, and that's their weakness, lack of resolve to end it. If they had left when the N. Ireland shit started, the killing would have eventually stopped. (none left to kill between the p/cs) Should we have bombed the Germans? Japanese? I'm glad you weren't around in WW2, moaning about killing the poor Nazis, or Japs.
If you commit to a course of action, carry it out, if not, withdraw and wait for the next attack to kill more of you. (simple tactics) Destroy the support structure/resources of the enemy.

 

[Ishmael]

Finally a topic on the general board that I can respond to...

Darlin', the Quaran was not written by the wealthy. It was "written" by a illiterate merchant named Mohammad. His only wealth came from what his wife and employer, Khadeja, gave him. The Quaran allowed women the right to own property for the first time. It preached not only tolerance but respect for Judaism and Christianity. It recommended standards of cleanliness and hygeine that wouldn't be seen in Europe for centuries. I could go on, but I fear you will not listen, as the ignorant tend to turn a deaf ear to reason.

Let's start with some facts.

Mohammend did NOT write the Q'uran. As a matter of fact, Mohammed never wrote anything that we know of. And in fact, the Q'uran as a written entity did NOT exist in Mohammeds time. With his death the process of assembling and ordering the Q'uran began. The prime mover in this process was one of Mohammeds secretaries by the name of Zayd ibn Thabit. This occured during the caliphates of both Abu Bakr and Umar. The material that he assembled was delivered into the hands of Hafsah, the daughter of Umar. During the third caliphate, that of Uthman, Zayd was ordered to assemble and produce an "official" version of the Q'uran. That book, produced under Uthmans' orders, is what is used today.

When Mohammed died, Islam had spread no further than the Arabian penninsula. By the time of Uthman the Islamists held sway over Syria, present day Iraq, and Egypt. A mere 10 years had passed. It would be hard to qualify Uthman as a 'poor' man.

Islam cannot be qualified as a religion of peace. Within the Q'uran are many calls to war. And among the Islamic sects only one, the Suffi sect, is more or less peaceful. (The Suffi's being the most mystical of the Islamists and the sect is believed to be influenced with the teachings of Buddha.)

The two largest sects of Islam, the Sunni's and the Sh'ias, differ in detail for the most part. The Sh'ias believing that only direct decendants of Mohammed may lead the faith. Within the Sh'ia sect is a subsect called the "Sevens" but better known as the Ismaili sect. This particular sect with it's center of power in present day Iran in probably the most militant of the Islamic sects. They place an unnaturally high emphasis on martyrdom and are the sect that produced the 'assasins' of the 13th century.

By far the largest problem with Islam is that in the eyes of the ardent follower there can be no seperation of church and state. Because Allah created all and controls all, politics cannot be seperated from the will of Allah. Per force, a true state that is predominantly Islamic is a theocracy. This is the 'natural' state for the true follower. Those states that attempt to practice secular law are those states that are having the hardest time with the fundamentalists.

The roots of Islam are buried deep in the soil of conquest. The defeat of an enemy of Allah, and that enemy may be a fellow Muslim that does not practice the faith as the conquerer believes it should be practiced, brings great favor and prestige to the victor. Indeed, the making of war in the name of Allah and the Prophet is the highest holy act a Muslim can undertake.

Ishmael

 

[crystalhunting]

Re: Again, if they're so fucking peaceful...

Why is the WHOLE Muslim world protecting the terrorist killers? Is it because you can bomb a daycare if you're a murderer/martyr? ANY person that professes to believe that it's okay to kill "infidels", is dead already, they just haven't had the air let out of them.... yet.

*Peace through superior firepower.

The whole Muslim world huh?...thats a big chunk of people indeed....so you would kill us all?...well you would have to do a fair amount of vigilante killings here in the good ol tolerant USA first...Many cities have significant Muslim populations...


Then you would have to go to Europe,and do a lot more killing in virtually every country...Germany,France,and Spain would have the biggest populations but the rest of Europe as well...


Then you would have to go to Russia,and be bathed in blood there...quite a bit of Muslims there...


Then you would have to wipe out 85% of Indonesias population and Malaysia,

China has a big amount as well...big bloodbath there


ohhhh and dont forget Australia or India or Pakistan or Bangledesh

and you would have to do that BEFORE you wipe out the middle east and any in Africa


and what about the christian and other religious groups who happen to cover their head in a chador or Turban?...going to kill them as well cause they fit into your american viewpoint of being sub-human?

Got sikhs,and Bah'as and Hindus and many others.


It strikes me more as veiled racism,if you aren't white and christian...therfore you deserve to die....sound familar like some other fanatics who were defeated in 1945?



The whole Muslim world...spare me...so you would kill all the children as well right?...and all the women?...and all the men of peace will die with the rest.

When will your bloodthirst be saited?


Suicide is a big NO-NO in the Holy Quran,if you have read it,you would know that....

The fanatics are simply that...fanatics who twist Islam as they see fit.....just as many christian groups have done to justify their behavior


People that commit suicide go to Na'har{Hell} not the other way around.




CH