Why is rape frowned upon?

[VGSS]

I'm male, so I admit this opionion might be a little skewed.

When I first started writing fanfiction, it was all lovey-dovey. "do take couple from story, mate couple, lather, rinse, repeat"

Then a fan of my work asked me to do a blatantly non-consentual piece. I'd done relucatant before, but this would be the first rape work I'd done. Figured it would be something different, so I did it, although I had to add a reluctance twist at the end.

So, I ask. Why is rape seen in such a harsh light? It's sex between two people, which both parties *should* orgasm from. I mean, everyone has dreams of sex with strangers that they enjoy. Why does spontaneous sex have to be such a bad thing? Why is this any different?

 

[Monazwx]

I'm male, so I admit this opionion might be a little skewed.

So, I ask. Why is rape seen in such a harsh light? It's sex between two people, which both parties *should* orgasm from. I mean, everyone has dreams of sex with strangers that they enjoy. Why does spontaneous sex have to be such a bad thing? Why is this any different?

A LITTLE skewed please.

Normally, BOTH parties do not orgasm from non-consentual sex.
Sex with strangers is usually appealing ONLY if the male and female are WILLING. Spontaneous sex can be fun, but again only if both parties want to have sex. Rape is tons different than what you're trying to juxtapose.

I didn't bother to get into the power and control and violence exhibited, and these are not BSDM type stories where both parties get off on that type of thing.

You're comparing apples and oranges here.

 

[Guest]

I'm male, so I admit this opionion might be a little skewed.

When I first started writing fanfiction, it was all lovey-dovey. "do take couple from story, mate couple, lather, rinse, repeat"

Then a fan of my work asked me to do a blatantly non-consentual piece. I'd done relucatant before, but this would be the first rape work I'd done. Figured it would be something different, so I did it, although I had to add a reluctance twist at the end.

So, I ask. Why is rape seen in such a harsh light? It's sex between two people, which both parties *should* orgasm from. I mean, everyone has dreams of sex with strangers that they enjoy. Why does spontaneous sex have to be such a bad thing? Why is this any different?

I'm not sure that your definition of rape fits the standard definition. You asked, "Why does spontaneous sex have to be such a bad thing?" The answer is that in rape, the sex is NOT spontaneous on the part of the woman. If both the man and the woman wanted to have sex (whether they know each other or not) it's different than if the man wants sex and forces the woman. I guarantee you that the woman isn't going to enjoy it. Rape means that one of the two people is physically violated against his/her will (which means he/she doesn't enjoy it). It's true that some people fantasize about being raped, but I think the difference is that it's a fantasy, and they know they are in control and can't get hurt because it's pretend.
Something that might help you understand it bettter: Imagine that you're walking home late at night and a large, ugly, scary guy jumps out in front of you, knocks you to the ground, yanks off your pants, and jams his penis up your ass. First, you don't know the guy and are scared to death. Second, it HURTS! (because rapists are not gentle), and third, you've been violated and I guarantee you wouldn't orgasm. It's not the same as meeting a stranger and deciding to have sex with him. Hope this helps to answer your question, because it is disturbing to hear someone say what you have said.
--Xtaabay

 

[pointless]

I'm male, so I admit this opionion might be a little skewed.

When I first started writing fanfiction, it was all lovey-dovey. "do take couple from story, mate couple, lather, rinse, repeat"

Then a fan of my work asked me to do a blatantly non-consentual piece. I'd done relucatant before, but this would be the first rape work I'd done. Figured it would be something different, so I did it, although I had to add a reluctance twist at the end.

So, I ask. Why is rape seen in such a harsh light? It's sex between two people, which both parties *should* orgasm from. I mean, everyone has dreams of sex with strangers that they enjoy. Why does spontaneous sex have to be such a bad thing? Why is this any different?

are you stupid or do you simply lack a soul? that is either the most retarded thing i've ever heard or the most evil. you do know that other people have feelings too, don't you? they also feel pain and are capable of fear emotional anguish. they are not just robots sent here to amuse you and give you pleasure.

just a little fyi in case you didn't know.

 

[SexyChele]

I'm male, so I admit this opionion might be a little skewed.

When I first started writing fanfiction, it was all lovey-dovey. "do take couple from story, mate couple, lather, rinse, repeat"

Then a fan of my work asked me to do a blatantly non-consentual piece. I'd done relucatant before, but this would be the first rape work I'd done. Figured it would be something different, so I did it, although I had to add a reluctance twist at the end.

So, I ask. Why is rape seen in such a harsh light? It's sex between two people, which both parties *should* orgasm from. I mean, everyone has dreams of sex with strangers that they enjoy. Why does spontaneous sex have to be such a bad thing? Why is this any different?

Hmmmm....it sounds as if you are one of those fellows from the school of "If-a-woman-gets-raped-she-should-just-sit-back-and-enjoy-cuz-she-can't-do-anything-about-it."

In other words - a moron.

 

[BlackSnake]

OK, I’m an advocate for women’s pleasures, but rape fantasies are appealing to some women. Why? I have no idea. Rape fantasy stories do get their fair share of readers; so don’t stop writing because it is not popular to all.

I understand that it is not likely that a fantasy rape story where the victim enjoys it, but there’s always a way to write the story where the victim (the woman) can have multiple orgasms.

Here’s what I mean:

A woman (the victim) puts on her most appealing party dress, and sets out on the town. The place she is going is not a popular hot spot for hip people of her youth and status, it is the docs where drunken long shore men and the homeless spend their evenings around fifty gallon drums of burning flames.

The woman would be called a Belle, had she been from the south; a real socialite. Her peers, she found lack the tenacity to fulfill her burning desires. What she wanted was raw passion. Her wisdom was set upon her extreme self-confidence, which was derived from athletic and martial arts abilities.

She parked her car on the main street leaving her purse, shoes, and hiding the keys under the bumper, so they wouldn’t be lost during her quest. She cloaks herself in a ratty old hooded long raincoat that trailed the sidewalk allowing her to hide herself from on lookers.

She made her way six blocks to the docks without being noticed. She spotted several me around a fire sharing a bottle of booze and cigarettes. She dropped her raincoat and strutted past the men.

A couple of the men called after her, and she walked towards them making sure that her smooth firm thighs were fully on display. She hurled insults at the men, in an obvious attempt to stir them up. She wanted it that way.

The men grew angry quickly and grabbed for her. Her martial arts training came in handy, as she had to deflect a blow from one of the men, which could have seriously hurt her. She through herself in the course of the deflection onto a pile of boxes in the most compromising position. She thought enough not to wear any panties. She wanted to make sure that whom ever it was that she prayed upon would be very tempted.

One of the men that was closest to her, drove on top of her. The stench for his body put a new fear in her that she hadn’t counted on; disease. While she was contemplating her newly found fear, the head of the man’s cock parted her pussy lips with an awesome thrust. The man’s fat cock spread her cunt wider than it had ever been.

** Now in this situation, the woman is out looking to get raped as a thrill…..

 

[Svenskaflicka]

Why is rape frowned upon?

I don't know. Let's ask my good friend, who got raped when she was eight years old, how come she didn't like it that a 40-year-old man pressed her down on the dirty ground, ripped her clothes off, and pressed an object that was much too big inside her, causing her to break and bleed and scream in pain.

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[BlackSnake]

Why is rape frowned upon?

I don't know. Let's ask my good friend, who got raped when she was eight years old, how come she didn't like it that a 40-year-old man pressed her down on the dirty ground, ripped her clothes off, and pressed an object that was much too big inside her, causing her to break and bleed and scream in pain.

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I am hoping that the thread starter was just referring to rape as a story idea.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

I am hoping that the thread starter was just referring to rape as a story idea.

Neverless, the idea some men have that women secretely enjoys being raped, is very dangerous, because it makes them think that it's no big deal if they force themselves on a girl that says "no", because if they do it well enough, she will begin to like it mid-way through it...

If a woman's mouth says "no", then anything else than letting go of her is rape.

 

[pointless]

I am hoping that the thread starter was just referring to rape as a story idea.

i hope so too, but you never can tell. i'll assume the worst simply because of the wording until they come to defend themselves and hopefully clear up their statement.

 

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[LorriLove]

I'm male, so I admit this opionion might be a little skewed.

When I first started writing fanfiction, it was all lovey-dovey. "do take couple from story, mate couple, lather, rinse, repeat"


So, I ask. Why is rape seen in such a harsh light? It's sex between two people, which both parties *should* orgasm from. I mean, everyone has dreams of sex with strangers that they enjoy. Why does spontaneous sex have to be such a bad thing? Why is this any different?

i admit all lovey dovey crap can get boring at times, and a bit of forced fantasy can spice it up a little, but here's a hell of a difference between force fantasy and real rape.

spontaneous sex is a quicky after a few drinks in my book, and both parties want it, might even be an orgasm in it for the girl, fucking rare event at any time for the girl, but who knows luck may prevail.

real rape aint spontaneous sex on the woman's part though is it, not often anyway, and i think our friend here better think a bit longer about his wording of his next post.....

by the way my first rape happened at 11 yrs old. wow it was fun, i don't fucking think!!!!!!!!!!!!! moron!!!!!!!

 

[SexyChele]

OK, I’m an advocate for women’s pleasures, but rape fantasies are appealing to some women. Why? I have no idea. Rape fantasy stories do get their fair share of readers; so don’t stop writing because it is not popular to all.

I understand that it is not likely that a fantasy rape story where the victim enjoys it, but there’s always a way to write the story where the victim (the woman) can have multiple orgasms.

Here’s what I mean:

A woman (the victim) puts on her most appealing party dress, and sets out on the town. The place she is going is not a popular hot spot for hip people of her youth and status, it is the docs where drunken long shore men and the homeless spend their evenings around fifty gallon drums of burning flames.

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** Now in this situation, the woman is out looking to get raped as a thrill…..

No, I would not even classify this as non-consent. She is not being raped - she is truly in control of the entire action. She has the skills (martial arts training) to get herself out of this situation. Rough sex? Certainly. Rape? Nope. "Reluctant Sex"? Nope. Also, no woman goes out "looking to get raped as a thrill" unless she is seriously emotionally disturbed.

However, it does make for a good story.

I think the problem most have here with VGSS is his inability to figure out that spontaneous, consenting sex between strangers does not equate to rape. Well, unless that consent suddenly ends, but he doesn't mention this.

 

[BlackSnake]

I call the situation I came up with rape, because it is rape in the minds of the attackers.

I've held a job where understanding rape was a must from the victims who would talk to us. Rape has very little to do with sex. It's control and violance. The attacker is humiliating the victim by forcing sex on her. We were told some pretty horrible stories by some of the victims.

Yet, one stuck in my mind. The attacker broke into her home while she sleep. She was so frightened that she didn't move and pretended to be asleep. She said that she felt cold metal against her face, but she was to afraid to open her eyes. She said that it really hurt when he forced himself in her, and she fought with herself to be silent. She said that even though she didn't fight with him, he called her dirty names and cut her several times. She said that he seemed to get bored with her, because she wasn't screaming and fighting back. She said that she believed that her fear saved her life.

 

[Cybotic]

It is true that many women enjoy rape fantasies. My girlfriend is one of them. She likes the feeling of being so desired that men lose control of themselves over her. That does not mean that my girlfriend is hoping to be raped. The reality of rape is far different from the fantasy. Many people fantasize about fighting in a war as well.

 

[BlackSnake]

It is true that many women enjoy rape fantasies. My girlfriend is one of them. She likes the feeling of being so desired that men lose control of themselves over her. That does not mean that my girlfriend is hoping to be raped. The reality of rape is far different from the fantasy. Many people fantasize about fighting in a war as well.

When we try for fantasies rape, it's not really rape at all. I think you put it best "She likes the feeling of being so desired that men lose control of themselves over her." If we keep fantasy rape like this, then we could write some enjoyable stories. This implies that we totally dismiss all forms of the reality of rape in the stories.

Speaking of which, a thought flashed in my mind where a girl is walking down a street and a guy bumps into her as he is walking out of a small shop. He is so stunned by her sexiness that his mouth drops open; his eyes pop; his cock hardens; and his entire body trimble.

The woman is happy that she can cause such an effect on a man. She smiles as she shifts her weight from one leg to the other showing off her long creamy thighs.

Suddenly the man lunges for her, and pins her on the hood of a car parked next to the sidewalk. Before the woman could orientate herself to fight back, her panties are pushed to one side and he man is thrusting his hardon inside of her.

After the man nuts, which only took a minute, he helps her off the hood of the car an appologies to her perfusely. He swears that he didn't know what came over him. The woman is shaken, but the man's sencerity touches her.

She continues down the street with cum running down the inside of her thigh, and is attacked by another man before she reaches the end of the block.

 

[Chicklet]

I'm male, so I admit this opionion might be a little skewed.

When I first started writing fanfiction, it was all lovey-dovey. "do take couple from story, mate couple, lather, rinse, repeat"

Then a fan of my work asked me to do a blatantly non-consentual piece. I'd done relucatant before, but this would be the first rape work I'd done. Figured it would be something different, so I did it, although I had to add a reluctance twist at the end.

So, I ask. Why is rape seen in such a harsh light? It's sex between two people, which both parties *should* orgasm from. I mean, everyone has dreams of sex with strangers that they enjoy. Why does spontaneous sex have to be such a bad thing? Why is this any different?

First off, even though I'm female, I don't think that you should say that your opinions are skewed just because you're male. One male is as different to another male as a male is to a female. Your opinions are skewed just because they are your opinions. Everyone has different ones.

Why is rape frowned upon? In our society, culture, and most of our species rape is a violent, nonconsensual act. In the animal kingdom one could point out that at first glance it appears that male animals are raping the female, especially if you look at a cat and see the screaming pain the female is in. Among most animals the strongest male is the one to pass on it's genes for obvious reasons, and the way it proves it's the strongest is by fighting other males and even the female sometimes for it's right to mate. As humans, we've gone a bit past that. Not far, but a little bit.

Rape has always been a part of us. Men have raped women from the beginning of time. And as far as I have read and learned, it's always been frowned upon. History tells us that it's always been violent and always makes the victim feel miserable. In true rape scenario's the victim (and, yes, men can be raped, too) will not get any enjoyment out of it.

The ravishment fantasy is a true, real, wonderful thing. When we write non-consent stories, those are ravishment fantasies. Unless the victim is murdered or miserable, they are ravishment fantasies, and for the most part Laurel does a great job of weeding those true rape stories out of her site and at the very least moving them to her Extreme site. There's nothing wrong with a ravishment fantasy, and I think that when you say there's nothing wrong with rape, this is what you're thinking about.

Everyone has fantasies of sex with strangers? Maybe almost everyone, but not everyone. What's the diference between spontanious sex between two people and rape? There's a difference when two people make eyes at each other and are suddenly going at it than when one person likes the others legs and is suddenly forcing themself between them.

Rape is seen in a harsh (perhaps bright red colored) light because of the violence around it. Rape *is* a violent act. It's nothing that the victim enjoys, and usually the assailant is disturbed in some way. The ravishment fantasy is seen in a harsh light as well, but mostly because people don't see the difference between ravishment and rape. I write fantasy. People sometimes take it as truth. I've gotten many feedbacks about how I feed the sick twisted minds of would-be rapists. That's just not true.

Keep writing non-consent if that's what you like. Call it rape if that's the word you associate with it. Keep it violent if that's what you like. But like any fetish you're going to get your critics, and you're going to get your slams, and you're going to be chastised for writing "the wrong" kind of story. But Rape is not what we read on this site. Just keep that in mind.

-Chicklet

(apologizing for the unorganization of this post)

 

[BirdsWife]

Re: Re: Why is rape frowned upon?

Something that might help you understand it bettter: Imagine that you're walking home late at night and a large, ugly, scary guy jumps out in front of you, knocks you to the ground, yanks off your pants, and jams his penis up your ass. First, you don't know the guy and are scared to death. Second, it HURTS! (because rapists are not gentle), and third, you've been violated and I guarantee you wouldn't orgasm. It's not the same as meeting a stranger and deciding to have sex with him. Hope this helps to answer your question, because it is disturbing to hear someone say what you have said.
--Xtaabay [/B]

Actually, you are wrong about the bolded part.

Rape is an act of violence and control that has nothing in common with consentual sex outside of the fact that the sexual organs are used as a weapon. Unfortunately a person's body does not always know the difference and orgasms do occur for purely physiological reasons, especially when a man is raped. The attacker will often use this physiological response to shame the victim into silence, telling the person that they must have enjoyed the rape since they reached orgasm. The above mentioned misconception only adds to a rape victim's suffering.

 

[litdude]

It is abuse!

It is abuse!

Wait till you marry a gal that has been raped and sustained emotional damage. Trusting problems and other issues can result.

If you want to argue that a small percentage of women could get raped and then "be over it" quickly (and of course imply that other women should do likewise), I ain't buying it. Some women have tougher outer shell than others, but you can't see within. Even to argue that women on the inside can brush it off is a very uneducated and unrealistic stance to take.

If you want to argue argue that a small percentate of women might take pleasure in it - it is nonetheless a VIOLATION and they will have some shame or other problems nonetheless.

Direct your efforts to other kinds of erotic literature which would not yield a legacy of such social problems. Jmo.

 

[Guest]

I'm male, so I admit this opionion might be a little skewed.

When I first started writing fanfiction, it was all lovey-dovey. "do take couple from story, mate couple, lather, rinse, repeat"

Then a fan of my work asked me to do a blatantly non-consentual piece. I'd done relucatant before, but this would be the first rape work I'd done. Figured it would be something different, so I did it, although I had to add a reluctance twist at the end.

So, I ask. Why is rape seen in such a harsh light? It's sex between two people, which both parties *should* orgasm from. I mean, everyone has dreams of sex with strangers that they enjoy. Why does spontaneous sex have to be such a bad thing? Why is this any different?

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Oh, for FUCK'S sake...

Where do ASSHOLES like this come from? Where have you been living, under some rock? Rape is an act of violence, dorkwad, not a sexual act.

 

[AnalSteve]

Why?

Cause its rape.

Try receiving it some time, if you like it, it means it wasn't rape.

 

[GoodLilPet]

But many men do get a sexual rush from taking power from others.

 

[BlackSnake]

Re: It is abuse!

It is abuse!

Wait till you marry a gal that has been raped and sustained emotional damage. Trusting problems and other issues can result.

If you want to argue that a small percentage of women could get raped and then "be over it" quickly (and of course imply that other women should do likewise), I ain't buying it. Some women have tougher outer shell than others, but you can't see within. Even to argue that women on the inside can brush it off is a very uneducated and unrealistic stance to take.

If you want to argue argue that a small percentate of women might take pleasure in it - it is nonetheless a VIOLATION and they will have some shame or other problems nonetheless.

Direct your efforts to other kinds of erotic literature which would not yield a legacy of such social problems. Jmo.

I don't think that writers should not explore the fantasy rape situation. The reality of rape make poor fiction. I know I can't get a hardon while reading about a woman getting beaten and brutalized.

 

[BlackSnake]

But many men do get a sexual rush from taking power from others.

Sounds like a punk to me.